Denial of Yeshua

[Buccaneer]

Why do Jews as a whole deny Yeshua as the Messiah? What are the specific requirements they dont consider him to have fulfilled? and isnt there prophecy about him being unknown in the world by his own (besides that in john)

[simchat_torah]

"Jesus"
instills pagan doctrines and practices (the typical "jesus" taught by the church).
teaches the Torah is done away with
changed the Sabbath
did away with the Holy days
is the name in which thousands upon thousands of Jews were slaughtered in
etc.


Now, as far as unfulfilled "prophecy", he hasn't restored nations to the point where there is no war, global reigns supreme, etc.

These are the reasons.

You may choose to agree or disagree with the reasons, but I'm simply listing 'why'.
-yafet

[simchat_torah]

Also, they consider the trinity as plural dieties, and they can't accept the Jesus = G-d in the flesh either.

So all that adds up to a very difficult time for the Jews to swallow this whole "jesus" notion. Now, if you have a different messiah to preach, ;) or if you think you can prove to a Jew that what is listed above is acceptable, then by all means... have at it.

[muffler dragon]

Yafet:

Short, sweet and always oh-so-concise! :thumbsup:

:D

[Sephania]

Get off the Anti-Semetic bandwagon and get into the Word. All those things you mentioned above are only because HaShem allows them.

5 It's the same way in the present age: there is a remnant, chosen by grace. 6 (Now if it is by grace, it is accordingly not based on legalistic works; if it were otherwise, grace would no longer be grace.) 7 What follows is that Isra'el has not attained the goal for which she is striving. The ones chosen have obtained it, but the rest have been made stonelike, 8 just as the Tanakh says, "God has given them a spirit of dullness eyes that do not see and ears that do not hear, right down to the present day." 9 And David says, "Let their dining table become for them a snare and a trap, a pitfall and a punishment. 10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they can't see, with their backs bent continually." 11 "In that case, I say, isn't it that they have stumbled with the result that they have permanently fallen away?" Heaven forbid! Quite the contrary, it is by means of their stumbling that the deliverance has come to the Gentiles, in order to provoke them to jealousy. a 12 Moreover, if their stumbling is bringing riches to the world - that is, if Isra'el's being placed temporarily in a condition less favored than that of the Gentiles is bringing riches to the latter - how much greater riches will Isra'el in its fullness bring them! 13 However, to those of you who are Gentiles I say this: since I myself am an emissary sent to the Gentiles, I make known the importance of my work 14 in the hope that somehow I may provoke some of my own people to jealousy and save some of them! 15 For if their casting Yeshua aside means reconciliation for the world, what will their accepting him mean? It will be life from the dead! 16 Now if the hallah offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole loaf. And if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you - a wild olive - were grafted in among them and have become equal sharers in the rich root of the olive tree, 18 then don't boast as if you were better than the branches!

25 For, brothers, I want you to understand this truth which G-d formerly concealed but has now revealed, so that you won't imagine you know more than you actually do. It is that stoniness, to a degree, has come upon Isra'el, until the Gentile world enters in its fullness; 26 and that it is in this way that all Isra'el will be saved. As the Tanakh says, "Out of Tziyon will come the Redeemer; he will turn away ungodliness from Ya'akov 27 and this will be my covenant with them, . . . when I take away their sins."

[visionary]

I believe we are starting to see this occur....in this generation more than any other, because of the availability to the common man information from all areas, we have seen more and more people search the scriptures, search the histories, and search their souls for the truth. SO....how much greater riches will Isra'el in its fullness bring them! As the light from Mount Sinai, from the sages, from the scriptures, from the convictions of the Holy Spirit, we will see the fulless that Israel will bring.

[Sephania]

Amein!

[muffler dragon]

Get off the Anti-Semetic bandwagon and get into the Word. All those things you mentioned above are only because HaShem allows them.


Is this meant to sound as derogatory as it does?

[Sephania]

I would rather that I lessen the merit of another's word than allow that same to lessen the word of G-d.

Do you not believe that HaShem is in control of everything? There are truths that are said against people and then there are lies, there is not just one or the other.

[simchat_torah]

Get off the Anti-Semetic bandwagon and get into the Word. All those things you mentioned above are only because HaShem allows them.
Sheesh... he asked WHY THE JEWS deny "jesus". I was speaking from the perspective of a Jew. I wasn't stating what I thought was true, trying to preach a message, on a soap box, or hopping on a bandwagon.

sheesh...

[Nossa-the-Lame]

To my knowledge also, Jesus is supposed to come again for a second time, where as jews believe that the messiah is only supposed to come one time around, not twice.

[Buccaneer]

Well, I mean i started googling all these different prophecies that we believe refer to Yeshua and how the jews counter them and most every time they claim translational error. I dont know if their full of it or the translators are liars but id like to for once get an accuract explanation of the prophecies.

[insaneinthebrain]

To my knowledge also, Jesus is supposed to come again for a second time, where as jews believe that the messiah is only supposed to come one time around, not twice.
Well, that hasn't always been the case. ;) Let me see if I can find Yafet's "Dual Moshiach" thread...

[insaneinthebrain]

Well, that hasn't always been the case. ;) Let me see if I can find Yafet's "Dual Moshiach" thread...http://www.christianforums.com/t36712-dual-moshiach.html

[muffler dragon]

I would rather that I lessen the merit of another's word than allow that same to lessen the word of G-d.

Well... then I would have to say there are a lot more diplomatic ways to do so. But I understand that that is strictly MY OPINION.

For the context of the OP, I think that Yafet described the matter succinctly without a supposed bent against anyone. I think that majority of Jews would answer with one or more of the reasons he put forth. That has nothing to do with whether G-d's hand is behind it or not.

As I asked Shimshon the other day (which he clarified for me), it seems that you are alluding to some sort of "they get what they deserve" with your statement. Would this be a fair assumption?

[Sephania]

Sheesh... he asked WHY THE JEWS deny "jesus". I was speaking from the perspective of a Jew. I wasn't stating what I thought was true, trying to preach a message, on a soap box, or hopping on a bandwagon.

sheesh...
I apologize Yafet, it just seems to be the main topic of your responses to things of late.

~Zayit~