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Ahavah
1st December 2004, 01:51 PM
I realize this is a crazy subject..and maybe even a bit personal for some...But I was Just wondering what people thought of Birth control. I'm talking about physically getting "fixed" and all those other methods used for Birth Control. Shouldn't we just leave it up to G-d..and if He choses to Bless us with children..so be it..and if not..so be it...or should we be the ones to decide how many children we want and when we want them? Is that being selfish? I keep going back and forth on this subject. Anyway..Just me..Ahavah

Torah
1st December 2004, 02:22 PM
This subject is a powder keg. All I’m going to say is, “I gota 5 akids”.
:groupray:


The fuse lit!
:eek:

Pray4Isrel
1st December 2004, 02:54 PM
LOL - Well, I have no kids and am married so I should be able to set an example of what works best ;)
Here's our secret... are you ready? This is our method of birth control... it's very very controversial... oh boy, here we go... ok:
Our method of birth control is prayer.
That's right. We have prayed that G-d will allow us to have children when He feels we are ready. Thus far, we have been married almost 6 years and have no children. We are both dedicated to ministry and both my husband's job and my ministry require tons of traveling. So we trust that when G-d wants us to have children, we will. We do have hopes that in two years we will hopefully get pregnant, but other than that, we trust that if G-d wants us to have children sooner or later it will be the best thing because He's the one deciding.
Now that's just my personal story... I am sure there are many different opinions and beliefs that will be mentioned.

Torah
1st December 2004, 04:21 PM
Cool! We did the same thing. We were without for 1 year. :)

By Grace
1st December 2004, 05:35 PM
We tried that, too. I now have two children 19 months apart. I think that's actually best for us, to have them close together, but now I'm not sure I can handle a third any time soon. We're staying off the pill b/c it's an abortifacent (sp?), but we are using other methods.

Buccaneer
2nd December 2004, 01:16 AM
Regardless of what most people think, I believe the sin of Onan at least PART of his sin was the direct interference of conception. Birth Control also goes against "Be fruitful and multiply"

visionary
2nd December 2004, 10:54 AM
I also think of what Yeshua said....

Matthew 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

By Grace
2nd December 2004, 11:58 AM
I also think of what Yeshua said....

Matthew 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Vis, I think this is actually one reason why I don't plan on more kids--I think about this verse a lot when I realize how vulnerable I am with small children to care for.

It takes a LOT of time and energy to care for small kids, and even though I think it's one of the highest callings, it still prevents me from doing some other things, too, that would contribute to my spiritual growth and to my efforts to help others. And I'm not sure I would be as good a mom if I had more kids--each one takes SO much time! I've already been fruitful and multiplied, if that means conceiving and giving birth to children, but surely that's not all it means. Right now I'm focusing my efforts of "be fruitful and multiply" toward raising those children to be the kind of people G-d wants them to be. And there are lots of things I feel a great desire to do that are nearly impossible while my kids are little.

Ahavah
2nd December 2004, 08:56 PM
Our method of birth control is prayer.
That's right. We have prayed that G-d will allow us to have children when He feels we are ready. Well...G-d must not be listnening to my prayer then..cause I'm pregnant again with 3rd child. I really thought ..maybe in 5-6 more years...then I could "maybe" have another...but NOoOOooo. It's only been 2 years since I had my last one. I think I'll just start sleeping in a different room maybe. What if it happened by Osmosis? :sorry: Hahahaa. Just me..Ahavah

visionary
2nd December 2004, 09:38 PM
When I was a little girl I believed it came from french kissing a boy.

Ahavah
2nd December 2004, 09:50 PM
When I was a little girl I believed it came from french kissing a boy.Hey..you could be right....maybe if I "stop" kissing my Hubby:kiss: ...Hmmm...do ya think? hahaha...Just me..Ahavah

Torah
3rd December 2004, 04:56 AM
hay, hay, There are mem in the room! :eek:

visionary
3rd December 2004, 09:50 AM
I knew it, I knew it, I knew there was a reason boys liking french kissing....

Pray4Isrel
3rd December 2004, 11:39 AM
I knew it, I knew it, I knew there was a reason boys liking french kissing....
LOL!
Reminds me of a cute story about my nephew. When Luke was four years old my sister got pregnant again and told Luke that, "Mommy, daddy and Luke are going to have a new addition to the family". This was all ok until one day he said, "Mommy? Will the new baby come out of your mouth?" My sister was caught off guard and said, "No Luke, that's not where a baby comes from". He said, "Oh okay but thats the only place I could think of for a baby to come from."
:D
Gotta love kids! ^_^

visionary
3rd December 2004, 12:18 PM
Glad to hear that others thought like I did in my youth...french kissing is dangerous.

Pray4Isrel
3rd December 2004, 12:52 PM
I wonder what fool it was that first invented kissing. :scratch:
- Jonathan SwiftLOL - that's in Administrator Seraph&Cheri's Signature :D

Kissing gets people into a lot of trouble! :kiss:

Pray4Isrel
3rd December 2004, 12:56 PM
So I guess we can conclude in this thread that kissing is not a means of birth control :D
I am glad we accomplish so much here in the MJ forum ^_^

visionary
3rd December 2004, 01:05 PM
From our earliest days, we're told that kisses have magical powers. They can turn frogs into princes, virgins into pliant lovers and - according to Celtic legend - represent the very breath of life. A kiss is never just a kiss: it's a symbol of love, lust, friendship, duty and betrayal; a ritual laden with significance, which can conceal wildly different motives. Politicians kiss babies, Judas betrayed Jesus with a kiss, and the Pope's first act on reaching Ireland in 1979 was to kiss the ground at
Dublin airport. A bad kiss can sound the death knell for a relationship, while a good kiss - well, it can put shiny happy bells on everything.

The first kiss
Listen to the academics, and you may well wonder why we bother. Some claim that the act of kissing began with prehistoric mothers chewing up food, then pushing it into their children's mouths with their tongues. Others believe kissing evolved from the smelling of a companion's face as an act of greeting. Whatever the truth, for millions of years, lips and mouths have played a crucial part in our survival. The brain contains a huge amount of receptors devoted to picking up sensations from the lips. They direct a baby towards milk, and they helped our ancestors to discern whether their food was poisonous or not. Freud, typically, goes back in time to our childhood, describing the kiss as 'an unconscious repetition of infantile delight in feeding', and - just to kill off any trace of romance - as the 'sexual use of the mucous membranes of the lips and mouth'.

An apple a day
The kiss has been at the centre of any number of coy courtship rituals. In 16th-century England, young girls would present a clove-studded apple to someone they wanted to kiss. The chap in question would chew on one of the cloves - they are supposed to freshen the breath - before puckering up. After that, the man took possession of the apple and the game continued. But while the Elizabethans were passing the apple, the government of Naples was banning the practice of kissing entirely, making it punishable by death. Such killjoys still exist. In the US state of Indiana, there is a law on the books making it illegal for a man with a moustache to 'habitually kiss human beings'.

Pray4Isrel
3rd December 2004, 01:17 PM
... But while the Elizabethans were passing the apple, the government of Naples was banning the practice of kissing entirely, making it punishable by death.
R O F L!!!

Wow, I am so glad that isn't the case anymore!

:kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

Ahavah
3rd December 2004, 01:19 PM
Wow visionary..I never knew that about kissing. Should of made a thread about..."To kiss or not to kiss...that is the question." Haha.

Torah
4th December 2004, 06:18 PM
there is a law on the books making it illegal for a man with a moustache to 'habitually kiss human beings'.
WOW, It's a good thing I only kiss my wife.:D "Chuckle"

Henaynei
4th December 2004, 07:44 PM
I firmly believe that, outside of surgical repair of any organs that are malfunctioning in the prospective parents, the ONLY acceptable option for childless couples who wish to have children is adoption.

AI might be ok for our food supply (and that is grist for another thread) but NOT for human conception.

Sephania
4th December 2004, 08:43 PM
:scratch:

visionary
4th December 2004, 08:49 PM
My mother said that crossed legs works wonders for birth control along with sitting on it.

Henaynei
4th December 2004, 11:27 PM
My mother said that crossed legs works wonders for birth control along with sitting on it.MY mom said the world's best birth control pill was an aspirin held firmly between the knees.....

ShirChadash
4th December 2004, 11:37 PM
MY mom said the world's best birth control pill was an aspirin held firmly between the knees..... Yer mum musta known my mum. :D

visionary
5th December 2004, 12:17 AM
ahhh yes I remember the aspirin one too......may be they all attended the same sex classes.

Henaynei
5th December 2004, 10:45 AM
yeah - the ones held in the woodshed!! when "switching" classes had a very different meaning ;)