Medical Marijuana

[meow-meow]

Hi. I have a question. What do people think about using an Herb for sickness? (Right now, as we speak, this issue is in our supreme court.) I can't find anything in the Bible that states that using the herb is a "bad" thing. I do believe if we abuse "any" drug...it's considerd bad. I also believe that if we depend on anything else More than God...that is a bad thing. However..when someone takes an herb to relieve pain..without abusing it..that shouldn't make it a bad thing. What about all those prescribed medicines? Or let's not even take it that far...what about alcohol. That's not considerd a "bad" thing..unless you use too much of it and then it's considerd abuse. It does talk about strong drink in the bible. I'm actually starting to think it's all about money, and who controls what we do to stay healthy. Anyway, Thanks for your patience. Meow

[AlikhnKwizad]

I have wondered the same thing.

[visionary]

You are the temple of God and the Holy Spirit is to dwell in you. The only time I find smoke in the temple of God is just before judgment falls.
Isaiah 6:4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.

Revelation 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

We are to keep the body pure.

[mjterry87]

Mary Jane is witchcraft! LOL But really it is, can't those in pain use something else?

[Beloved Sunshine]

Mary Jane is witchcraft! LOL But really it is, can't those in pain use something else?hmm...were talking about Sorcery now? What about the prescription drugs the Doctors Prescribe?
Paul in his epistle to the Galatians enumerated a concise list of the works of the flesh. Contained in that list is the Greek word, pharmakeia. The King James scholar translated pharmakeia as "witchcraft" but a more probable rendering is that of "sorcery" and is so given by the American Standard Version. Sorcery is far closer to the meaning of the term.

Pharmakeia (sorcery) is a form of the Greek root from which we get our English words pharmacy, pharmacist, and pharmaceutical. Pharmakeia (sorcery) fundamentally has to do with drugs or medicine. Originally the word was used only in the sense of medicine.

In the New Testament, pharmakeia carried with it the idea of sorcery, occultism, and black magic. It is in this sense that Paul used the term in Galatians 5.20. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia clearly points out that "since the ideas we attach to 'witch' and 'witchcraft' were unknown in Bible times, the words (witch and witchcraft) have no right place in our' Eng. Bible..." (p. 3097). When Paul spoke of pharmakeia (witchcraft KJV) he certainly did not have in mind witches on broomsticks, black cats, and silly superstitions. The Apostle was speaking of sorcery -- the evil abuse of drugs. I agree..that the ABUSE of ANY drug is wrong...but to say a natural Herb is considered "witchcraft"..then you should consider the Man-made Prescription Drugs that people take are also witchcraft. That's a little extreme for me... anyway..just my 4 cents worth.:)

[Torah]

"Chanukah song" by Adam Sandler, :P
Put on your yarmulke, it's time for Chanukah, so drink your gin-n-tonic-ahs, and smoke your marijuann-icah,
Some people think that Ebenezer Scrooge is. Well he’s not, but guess who is? ALL THREE STOOGES!
We don’t need “Deck the Halls” or “Jingle Bells Rock” ‘cause we can spin a driedle with Captain Kurt and Mr. spock (both Jewish) :D

Mark 15: 23 from "Myrrh" comes a Hallucinating Drug.

[Ahavah]

"Chanukah song" by Adam Sandler, :P
Put on your yarmulke, it's time for Chanukah, so drink your gin-n-tonic-ahs, and smoke your marijuann-icah,
Some people think that Ebenezer Scrooge is. Well he’s not, but guess who is? ALL THREE STOOGES!
We don’t need “Deck the Halls” or “Jingle Bells Rock” ‘cause we can spin a driedle with Captain Kurt and Mr. spock (both Jewish) :D

Mark 15: 23 from "Myrrh" comes a Hallucinating Drug. :D :D :D Hahaha..I needed a good laugh.. Todah for that One Torah!!!! Anyway..I think what a person does in his or her own home is between them and G-d. I have a very open mind about this subject, and try not to judge those who do choose to use an Herb for medical reasons instead of a Man-made drug. That's just me....Ahavah

[Nossa-the-Lame]

Well, first of all, sometimes medicinal marijuna is not smoked, it can be ingested or given in pill form. Secondly, if done in those ways I see it as no way wrong if used correctly and not abused. Marijuna is a very trong drug and pain reliever, its stronger than vicadin and other drugs. Doctors don't perscribe it willingly, they use it close to a last resort because it is that effective. So when someone is put on it, it means they have gone through many other drugs and they are near the end of the list. just my $.02.

[Nossa-the-Lame]

"Chanukah song" by Adam Sandler, :P
Put on your yarmulke, it's time for Chanukah, so drink your gin-n-tonic-ahs, and smoke your marijuann-icah,
Some people think that Ebenezer Scrooge is. Well he’s not, but guess who is? ALL THREE STOOGES!
We don’t need “Deck the Halls” or “Jingle Bells Rock” ‘cause we can spin a driedle with Captain Kurt and Mr. spock (both Jewish) :D

Mark 15: 23 from "Myrrh" comes a Hallucinating Drug.

LOL now thats going in my signature, if its ok wiht you Torah?

[Ahavah]

Well, first of all, sometimes medicinal marijuna is not smoked, it can be ingested or given in pill form. Secondly, if done in those ways I see it as no way wrong if used correctly and not abused. Marijuna is a very trong drug and pain reliever, its stronger than vicadin and other drugs. Doctors don't perscribe it willingly, they use it close to a last resort because it is that effective. So when someone is put on it, it means they have gone through many other drugs and they are near the end of the list. just my $.02.I totally agree with you! Also...what are some of the side effects of Marijuana compared to those other Hard-core drugs? Hmmm...Marijuana makes a person laugh alot...it helps a person get to sleep better...it takes away nausea..relives headaches...helps muscle cramps..and promotes eating. Ok...so the eating part may be a downfall if your trying to diet. Ok..now lets look at the side effects of the other drugs...hmm..may cause ulcers...heart attacks...headaches..nausea..ect. Well..I guess that settles it..if I were really ill..I'd perfer a happy brownie. haha. Just me..Ahavah

[Shimshon]

So either the whole medical establishment is a Harry Potter Medical Group of Sorcerers. Or the notion that those who do "drugs" are committing "sorcery" is an out of context claim. Which is it? I know that it's not the "food" that is the sin but the way you use it. (i.e. sacrificing to idols). Would it then be safe to say that it's not the "plant" you use, but the way in which you use it? (i.e. abuse, of your body...G-d's Temple)

b,shalom
Shimshon

[P_G]

I think we are discussing the medical use of a drug here not recreational use. Yes there are other pain killers I suppose we could give everyone Dilaudid thats legal and it will put you flat out in a stupor. And morphine there's another fine pain killer.

I am not advocating in any way illegal drug use far from it. But to say something medical science is investigating for possible use is witchcraft is kind of medevil in thought.

You know our brother Nossa just went through some pretty serrious medical treatments that 500 years ago would have been branded witchcraft. Mind you had he not had them he would have died.

PG

[visionary]

Here is an herb, God given, that we should not look at it in the same context as medications that our illustrious medical profession provide us. I ahve to ask, why is it illegal in the first place? Anyone know the history of why it came to be illegal?

We are rapidly approaching the time in our history when all herbs will be under FDA watchdog, and the medical community supervision. Which means it will not be made available, due to lack of funding, and the shutdown of the health food industry will follow shortly. Next average everyday people will be arrested for growing their own. Can we learn something from the history of how God given herbs and such become illegal?

[Bon]

I believe that most here are thinking in terms of "smoking" the marajuana.

But this plant can be taken in its natural form, eaten and still Produce the same or similar effect.

I do not condone the taking of any drugs and I certainly believe that the "smoking" part of ingesting marajuana is perhaps more harmful that the actual drug itself.

So why cant the medical profession create a medicinal product from marajuana that could be legal and of course only available through doctor prescriptions? That is, of course, if there are any REAL benefits from this plant that no other kind of medication can produce. It may even be safer than some of the hightly addictive painkillers that are at present being used.

Methadone is a legal drug and is given to heroin addicts by the medical profession to help wean these people off their drug addiction. Some of them may even remain on this program for the rest of their lives, LEGALLY getting their hit in a controlled and clean environment. (go figure?)


Shalom from Bon

[Shimshon]

http://www.canorml.org/background/ca1913.html

The 1913 law received no public notice in the press, but was passed as an obscure technical amendment by the State Board of Pharmacy, which was then leading one of the nation's earliest and most aggressive anti-narcotics campaigns. Inspired by anti-Chinese sentiment, California was a nationally recognized pioneer in the war on drugs. In 1875, it instituted the first known anti-narcotics law in the U.S., a San Francisco ordinance against opium dens. By 1907, seven years before the US Congress restricted sale of narcotics by enacting the Harrison Act, the Board of Pharmacy had engineered an amendment to California's poison laws so as to prohibit the sale of opium, morphine and cocaine except by a doctor's prescription. The Board followed up with an aggressive enforcement campaign, in which it pioneered many of the modern techniques of drug enforcement, including undercover agents and informants, criminalization of users, and anti-paraphernalia laws, climaxed by a series of well-publicized raids on pharmacists and Chinese opium dens................portion of the link posted above.

How Ironic that it was the Board of Pharmacy that was the leading proponent of the first anti-drug campaign.

Fear and propaganda........Fear that american women were being "druged" by chineese traders and taken advantage of. Fear that the chineese opium culture would take control of america. And fear that people would be supplying and manufacturing their own drugs leaving the "pharmacutical industry" without an profit for themselves. MONEY FEAR...BIAS.....It sure wasn't for the best interest of those involved....seems more like cultural bias fears and greed. Same as always.

[Torah]

WOW! This is a wild subject. As my old frind Tevye once said. Your right! And your Right! Oiy-vey! Who’s right? I can see both sides have good points!
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:cool:

[Shimshon]

WOW! This is a wild subject. As my old frind Tevye once said. Your right! And your Right! Oiy-vey! Who’s right? I can see both sides have good points!
LOL....As the good book saaaays...........um it says something like that...^_^ TRADITION!!!!!! stammers off dancing with hands flailing...dada dada dada da........

[Ahavah]

Here is an herb, God given, that we should not look at it in the same context as medications that our illustrious medical profession provide us.
We are rapidly approaching the time in our history when all herbs will be under FDA watchdog, and the medical community supervision. Which means it will not be made available, due to lack of funding, and the shutdown of the health food industry will follow shortly. Next average everyday people will be arrested for growing their own. Can we learn something from the history of how God given herbs and such become illegal?I totally agree with you Visionary. I mean..what if Echinacea and golden Seal were illegal? So much for fighting off those colds "naturally" during the winter seasons. I believe people should get back to the basics of using herbs to heal..instead of prescribed man-made drugs. They say amoxicillian doesn't even really work anymore for some of those illnesses..becasue the bacteria is stronger than it was 10 years ago. :eek: What a world we live in..isn't it great? Just me..Ahavah

[Ahavah]

LOL....As the good book saaaays...........um it says something like that...^_^ TRADITION!!!!!! stammers off dancing with hands flailing...dada dada dada da........:D ok...Mr. Fiddler on the Roof...have you been eating those happy brownies? Haha..just me..Ahavah

[meow-meow]

You all have some really good insights on this subject, but does anyone know of any scripture that goes against it? I personally am a medical marijuana patient. I only use it to relive my pain. I am not a "pot head". I've taken all kinds of prescription drugs, but the side effects make me sicker than I really am. I usually get very nauseous from those drugs. I almost feel guilty for using marijuana...since it is considered "illegal" in most states...but honestly..it really does help with the pain, and I have no side effects..except for getting the giggles and eating. You don't have to smoke the herb to help the pain..you can use it in cooking..just like a regular herb. It's really is too bad that there is such a stereo type for people who do use marijuana. Anyway..thanks for your comments. Meow

[Ahavah]

No problem Meow...I don't think the government has any right to get involved with peoples' decisions to take what ever medicine they want to take. Just me..Ahavah

[Torah]

Being this is for Medical.


Prov 31: 6-7
Give beer-(strong drink in KJV) to those who are perishing, wine to those who are in anguish;
let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more

[Ahavah]

Being this is for Medical.


Prov 31: 6-7
Give beer-(strong drink in KJV) to those who are perishing, wine to those who are in anguish;
let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no moreWondering...so we can replace "strong beer" in this proverb with the word..."herb":scratch: ???? Right?

[Nossa-the-Lame]

Since we are on the subject of drugs...my only comment is this: make marijuana legal, and make laws for it just like for alcohol and tobacco. Make it so that people can get liscences to sell it, and what not, and also restrict where it can be used. If anything is done outside these boundaries through HUGE fines and penalties to those who break it. And then as for the rest of the illegal drugs, turn up the heat on stopping their use! Heroine is a druh that basically breaks down ito morphine once used. Thats why some poeple when they get addicted to morphine(which is very simple to do, heck when I had my surgery I was given morphne once and I was started to want more...) when they can't get the drug they go on the street and get heroine. I mean please, marijuana is the last drug on the face of the planet anyone should worrie about, yet its top priority and drugs like crack that bring in the criminal element no one cares about.

[Bon]

Right Noosa,
I saw a program on one of our current affairs programs just last week about how dangerous ecstacy is because of the coctail of dangerous chemicals and drugs that make up each pill.

Many pills from different batches were tested to find dangerous and even deadly ingredients in them.

Some contained an animal steroid that was even banned for use in aniamals.

Others contained a deadly chemical that can stop the heart.

Many contained only the smallest amounts of MDMA (methylenedioxymethamphetamine)

These are the kinds of drugs that really concern me, the chemical drugs of today's youth. I am terribly concerned about the effect that these drugs can and do have on people.

Shalom from Bon

[Ahavah]

Since we are on the subject of drugs...my only comment is this: make marijuana legal, and make laws for it just like for alcohol and tobacco. Make it so that people can get liscences to sell it, and what not, and also restrict where it can be used. If anything is done outside these boundaries through HUGE fines and penalties to those who break it. And then as for the rest of the illegal drugs, turn up the heat on stopping their use! Heroine is a druh that basically breaks down ito morphine once used. Thats why some poeple when they get addicted to morphine(which is very simple to do, heck when I had my surgery I was given morphne once and I was started to want more...) when they can't get the drug they go on the street and get heroine. I mean please, marijuana is the last drug on the face of the planet anyone should worrie about, yet its top priority and drugs like crack that bring in the criminal element no one cares about. I totally agree with ya Nossa:thumbsup: The government makes so much money from making it illegal..why would they want to make it legal? If we made marijuana legal...We would have fewer people in Jail..then the prison gurads might have to put "real" criminals in there like rapists and muderers. Our cops may end up being bored..because the war on drugs wouldn't include marijuana busts anymore. Ohhh..the list goes on. That's just me..Ahavah

[Nossa-the-Lame]

You know, when you look at what happens to people on marijuana, then you look to people who are on any other drug, you doseem a difference. First off, mariuana is not AS strongly addictive as...almost anything else. In fact, the first time you do marijuana you have such a low chance of it addicting you right there thats its just nil. Now lets look at crack...oh boy so much goes with this its nuts. Not only is it highly addictive, but those strong drugs can kill you on your first try! Hmm...I've never heard of anyone dieing on their first try of marijuana :scratch: Yet I have heard of peoples hearts stopping when they try crack or meth...aso what type of criminal element comes with Marijuana? Well I don't exactly see those drug dealers alone sporting Uzi's, maybe just a knife or a pistol. Oh but wait...the cartel owns cociane...and wait, isn't the cartel organized crime? Hrmm....which would I want...a few gang bangers or a cartel in my backyard...personally nither, but the lesser of two evils is always picked. I'm not trying to downplay marijuana, because it does have its problems, and is not good in the community, but when you compare IT to every other illegal drug, its like comparing low-grade tylenol to animal tranquilizer!

Anyways I derailed this subject, so let me try to bring it back...for medicinal purposes I say its ok, as ong as both the user and supplier are safe and smart with both handing it out and use. I also think it should be strongly monitered and weened off of. Strong herbs/drugs like that should not be handed out like candy!