"Salvation" lands us where??

[@@Paul@@]

By salvation I mean that which is given us by simply believing on the work of the risen Christ.

Just curious... :)

[Lynn73]

I didn't vote because I'm unsure as to whether we'll ultimately be living on the new earth or in the New Jerusalem. I imagine perhaps we'll be able to go back and forth between the two. Doesn't really matter, I just want to be with Jesus.

[@@Paul@@]

I didn't vote because I'm unsure as to whether we'll ultimately be living on the new earth or in the New Jerusalem. I imagine perhaps we'll be able to go back and forth between the two. Doesn't really matter, I just want to be with Jesus.
I suppose i should have put an "I don't know" option... :sorry:

:)

And just for the record (as far as this poll goes)... having access to the new jerusalem does not necessarily mean you live there. i.e. I live in the US, but more accurately Everett, WA... But i can go anywhere in the US i want. ;)

[rural_preacher]

"And so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Does anything else matter?

[@@Paul@@]

"And so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Does anything else matter?
Of course not... But It's good to think of where we're going. :)

[Moma E]

Hey Paul did you actually vote??? Just curious

[@@Paul@@]

Hey Paul did you actually vote??? Just curious
That's personal... :) If i wanted everyone to know i would have made it an open poll. ;)

:holy: :kiss:

[Rich48]

I didn't vote because I'm unsure as to whether we'll ultimately be living on the new earth or in the New Jerusalem. I imagine perhaps we'll be able to go back and forth between the two. Doesn't really matter, I just want to be with Jesus.
:clap: AMEN!!! :clap:

Rich

[@@Paul@@]

I’m going to “rock the boat” cause I can. :)

Mat 7:21-23 KJV
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Is there any chance that simply being saved does not assure you an eternal position next to YHSH?

2Co 5:6-12 KJV
(6) Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
(7) (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
(8) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
(9) Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
(10) For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
(11) Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
(12) For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.

We are told to LABOUR so that we may be ACCEPTED of Him and we shall be judged “according to that which we have done, whether it be good or bad”.

[Moma E]

Why do you rock the boat??? ;) To Keep us on our toes???:confused: Can I change my vote now??????:cry:

[@@Paul@@]

Why do you rock the boat??? ;) To Keep us on our toes???:confused: Can I change my vote now??????:cry:
lol, no need to change it; No one else voted... :D

If you want PM me what you think. :)

[Matthan]

I'm a "bottom line" type of guy. The bottom line is that I will be with Jesus and a lot of you folks. That's a very nice thought, isn't it?

Matthan

[Steve_SandbachBaptist_UK]

In the new heavens. But I don't really know. As long as its with God and better than Earth, I don't mind. :)

[CFoster]

How healthy is it for a born again believer to think about heaven? I am not going to say that I don't, but it always comes down to what am I going to get from God. And the real question of life should be; God, what do you want for my life? I know I struggle with this. I want to love the Lord enough to say; Lord, what ever I do, I do it because you loved me first, all I ask in return is the strenght and guidance of your Holy Spirit to lead me in the direction you want me to go, in your Holy Name! Amen!

[@@Paul@@]

How healthy is it for a born again believer to think about heaven? I am not going to say that I don't, but it always comes down to what am I going to get from God. And the real question of life should be; God, what do you want for my life? I know I struggle with this. I want to love the Lord enough to say; Lord, what ever I do, I do it because you loved me first, all I ask in return is the strenght and guidance of your Holy Spirit to lead me in the direction you want me to go, in your Holy Name! Amen!
:)

It's VERY healthy to think about where they are going; so much so i feel we need to do it more!! Just don't be so heavenly minded you do no earthly good. ;) << actually i think the opposite happens. Knowing we we stand "Face to Face" in front of our Lord on the day of Atonement should be enough to scare anyone: "work out your salvation with FEAR and TREMBLING". Phi 2:12.

By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
(Heb 11:8-10 KJV)
There is no mention of this in the OT, yet in Hebrews Paul tells us that Abraham sojourned in the land of promise looking for a heavenly city!!
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
(Heb 11:13-14 KJV)
The OT saints DIED having only seen the promises afar off (no hope of living to see them fulfilled). BUT they "confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth" and declared "plainly that they seek a country" that is a heavenly one. Heb 11:16. They lived this life looked forward to what next, seeking something better.

I almost wonder if we would realize what we could have waiting for us on the other side if it would be easier to say: "What would you have me to do Lord?" :bow:

[ZiSunka]

Revelation 21:1-22:5

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea existed no longer. 2 I also saw the Holy City, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband. 3 Then I heard a loud voice from the throne: Look! God's dwelling is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes. Death will exist no longer; grief, crying, and pain will exist no longer, because the previous things have passed away. 5 Then the One seated on the throne said, "Look! I am making everything new." He also said, "Write, because these words are faithful and true." 6 And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give to the thirsty from the spring of living water as a gift. 7 The victor will inherit these things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son. 8 But the cowards, unbelievers, vile, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars--their share will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death." 9 Then one of the seven angels, who had held the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues, came and spoke with me: "Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb."...

22 I did not see a sanctuary in it, because the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its sanctuary. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, because God's glory illuminates it, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 The nations will walk in its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. 25 Each day its gates will never close because it will never be night there. 26 They will bring the glory and honor of the nations into it. 27 Nothing profane will ever enter it: no one who does what is vile or false, but only those written in the Lamb's book of life.

1 Then he showed me the river of living water, sparkling like crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the broad street of the city. On both sides of the river was the tree of life bearing 12 kinds of fruit, producing its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree are for healing the nations, 3 and there will no longer be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and His servants will serve Him. 4 They will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads. 5 Night will no longer exist, and people will not need lamplight or sunlight, because the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign forever and ever.

In the end, we're gonna be in the New Jerusalem folks.:)

[@@Paul@@]

In the end, we're gonna be in the New Jerusalem folks.:)
I don't think all of the redeemed from the last 6000 years are going to fit in a city that 1250 miles square. :)

...as someone said, it may not matter where we end up, it's important that we don't end up "down there". ;)

[ZiSunka]

That's 10,000,000,000 acres, not to mention that it is a multistoried city with skyscrapers. You don't think that's enough space to hold all the people? Huh. I wonder why God thought that was enough?! Post some scripture to back up your vote.

[@@Paul@@]

That's 10,000,000,000 acres, not to mention that it is a multistoried city with skyscrapers. You don't think that's enough space to hold all the people? Huh. I wonder why God thought that was enough?! Post some scripture to back up your vote.
I did... 3 posts ago. :)

I believe the New Jerusalem is the better country for those who meet the requirements in Hebrews chapter 11 (for example)...
Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
(Heb 11:35-40 KJV)
That better thing provided for those who earn is the heavenly city. I know I do not deserve it; I don't think I deserve the title "Of whom the world was not worthy". :)

[ZiSunka]

I did... 3 posts ago. :)
Yes, but you took it out of context and misunderstood it. They were pilgrims and strangers looking for a country during their time on earth, not after they died.




I believe the New Jerusalem is the better country for those who meet the requirements in Hebrews chapter 11 (for example)...Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

(Heb 11:35-40 KJV)
That better thing provided for those who earn is the heavenly city. I know I do not deserve it; I don't think I deserve the title "Of whom the world was not worthy". :)But those people were martyrs. Are you saying that only martyrs will live in New Jerusalem?:confused: Where does everyone else go, and use scripture to back it up.

[@@Paul@@]

Yes, but you took it out of context and misunderstood it. They were pilgrims and strangers looking for a country during their time on earth, not after they died.
Well i disagree. :)

EDITED...
The city they looked for was a heavenly city, made by God. >> The New Jerusalem.
By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
(Heb 11:9-10 KJV)
While those by faith “sojourned in the land of promise” that looked for a city which has foundations. >> this is pertaining to an earthly promise of a heavenly kingdom. So I agree, here those sojourners looked for something BEFORE they died. However:
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
(Heb 11:13-16 KJV)
These all (those that “sojourned in the land of promise” by faith) DIED in faith and received nothing but could see them far off… Notice here: “And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned”… If we are mindful of that country >> they might have had an opportunity to return. At this point that could only be FROM THE DEAD as we read in verse 13 they had “died in faith”. Only those that are mindful will have an opportunity to return, and these now desire a better heavenly country which God hath prepared for them (the heavenly city).
Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
(Heb 11:35 KJV)
If we put 2 + 2 together will will see that the “better resurrection” is the “opportunity to return” which those that “are mindful of” will receive.
And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
(Heb 11:39-40 KJV)
Those who were “mindful” strive to obtain a “good report through faith” received nothing here in this life; God has provided something even better for them: The better resurrection.

But those people were martyrs. Are you saying that only martyrs will live in New Jerusalem?:confused: Where does everyone else go, and use scripture to back it up.
I believe those who live in the New Jerusalem earn the right to do so. That city is going to be the center of God's Kingdom and the increase of that kingdom will have no end. Isa 9:7 .

But every time I use scripture to back it up you think i take it out of context and misunderstand it. :) .............. See Ephesians, Colossians, and Philippians; Our calling is "far above all".

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
We are not waiting for an earthly inheritance >> our is far above all in heavenly places in Christ.

… And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
(Eph 1:22-23 KJV)
We are a part of His Body which fill all in all… The entire kingdom; of which the increase will have no end.