Authority to Bind & Loose on earth (continued)

[Carlos Vigil]

For those interested in discussing, debating this subject continued from the Protestant/Reformed/Evangelical forum.
informal, as if we were discussing in your or my living room in the presence
of Christ and all those mentioned in Heb. 12:22-24

[Toney]

Carlos,

Would you be good enough to reference that PRE thread with a link. I took a quick look and it is not evident which discussion you hope to continue. Thank you.

[Carlos Vigil]

Carlos,

Would you be good enough to reference that PRE thread with a link. I took a quick look and it is not evident which discussion you hope to continue. Thank you.



Hi Toney,
Sorry about that...How to get from there to here ...or here to there?
(http://www.christianforums.com/t108789)

[Carlos Vigil]

For those interested in discussing, debating this subject continued from the Protestant/Reformed/Evangelical forum.
informal, as if we were discussing in your or my living room in the presence
of Christ and all those mentioned in Heb. 12:22-24


(http://www.christianforums.com/t108789)

[ischus]

I don't see what there is to discuss...the bible clearly states that what is bound or loosed by the disciples is because it has already been done so in heaven.

[Carlos Vigil]

I don't see what there is to discuss...the bible clearly states that what is bound or loosed by the disciples is because it has already been done so in heaven.



My original question was; where and how do you see this Authority evident in the Church from the beginning til now?

Carlos

[ischus]

Riiiight.... :blush: I knew that.... :rolleyes:

Well, then, I think that this authority was for Peter specifically, and also for those disciples who were involved in teaching and preaching the gospel. However, there is a good argument for a contemporary application in the context of forgiving each other of our sins...which I am still undecided on.

[Carlos Vigil]

Riiiight.... :blush: I knew that.... :rolleyes:

Well, then, I think that this authority was for Peter specifically,


I agree, and in the greek(and spanish as well) He calls Peter; "TU", (singular),
and when He asks THEM; He says; "ustedes",(plural)...
but in english "you " is used for singular and for plural
so when He says "to you I give the keys"...we don't really know if he means
"all of you" or "you peter, specifically"



However, there is a good argument for a contemporary application in the context of forgiving each other of our sins...which I am still undecided on.

Well God offers several views of FORGIVENESS...like biting an apple from different sides.

Carlos

[Toney]

Good evening Carlos and Happy Easter,

The Lord is risen indeed. Alleluia.

Thank you for providing the link to the PRE discussion/debate re: Authority to Bind and Loose.

If you will permit a suggestion, I would transfer the discussion to OBOB since your topic hinges on the expressed authority of apostolic succession. There is but one man on earth who claims to be the Vicar of Christ, as you well know. If the claim is valid, this power to bind and loose most certainly resides in him and infers the terrible consequences of the malfeasance of such power.

Many Catholics like to reassure themselves that the Gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church, as if she has obtained some writ of blanket immunity from misdeed. Prevail, of course, is the operative word. A time is coming, perhaps is already upon us, when their reassurances will be severely tested.

[Carlos Vigil]

Good evening Carlos and Happy Easter,

The Lord is risen indeed. Alleluia.

Thank you for providing the link to the PRE discussion/debate re: Authority to Bind and Loose.

If you will permit a suggestion, I would transfer the discussion to OBOB since your topic hinges on the expressed authority of apostolic succession. There is but one man on earth who claims to be the Vicar of Christ, as you well know. If the claim is valid, this power to bind and loose most certainly resides in him and infers the terrible consequences of the malfeasance of such power.

Many Catholics like to reassure themselves that the Gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church, as if she has obtained some writ of blanket immunity from misdeed. Prevail, of course, is the operative word. A time is coming, perhaps is already upon us, when their reassurances will be severely tested.

Amen to the Resurrection greeting,
Eversince I Came into Christ Ive heard; "why don't you take that message to the bums on the street?"... to Africa,...or India,... and now, why don't you take it to OBOB?........it seems like saying; "anywhere , just far away from here, you are ruining my hot cocoa."

I see you are a "site supporter"... is that like groomong for"moderator?"

We assure ourselves, and we are not immune, because Jesus is building ONE CHURCH..."MY CHURCH" he calls it, and the jaws of death shall not prevail against it. and hell will certainly try but hell will not succede, because it is His church. (Matt. 16:18)

...the terrible consequences of the malfeasance is the same as for you and me; Matt.12: 36,37 "I assure you, on judgement day people will be held accountable for every unguarded word they speak. By your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."

if the moderator yanks me, I will go.

For the Love of Truth,
Carlos