Once Saved, Always Saved?

[cedar]

Some believe this is so, some believe its not... What are your views on this subject. I think this will be a somewhat interesting post, I cant wait to see what everyone thinks.

[Angelsdance]

Some believe this is so, some believe its not... What are your views on this subject. I think this will be a somewhat interesting post, I cant wait to see what everyone thinks.

The Once saved, Always saved is always a harsh topic. Some people believe that accepting God as your Lord and savior, makes a covenant between you and God, and that covenant can never be broken. Some people believe it can be when you turn away from God. My personal beliefs are, I believe that if the people TRULY give their hearts to God, they won't WANT to turn back, and I question their faith if they are "saved" and turn away from God. I do think there is a point if christians DO backslide that they will break that covenant between them and God. But then again, this is my own personal feelings, no one else!! God bless!!!


(*(Angelsdance)*)

[nick18]

i think it's like climbing a mountain, you can slide, fall and tumble but you still climb in the end...

that said i could be wrong because i've read and prayed about this one alot with no firm answers yet.

[Gary B]

Some believe this is so, some believe its not... What are your views on this subject. I think this will be a somewhat interesting post, I cant wait to see what everyone thinks.

If you where Once Saved, your still saved unless you believe that your not saved... ;)

[WesWoodell]

God never abandons His children.



That doesn't mean His children don't abandon Him. ;)

[Lynn73]

This is a subject that's always going to be debated among Christians. I personally don't believe a truly saved person can ever be lost again.



John 6:39 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=joh+6:39&version=kjv&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

[Stinker]

A couple of months ago, I was listening to the radio and a religious commentator was talking about the doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved. He got to the part of a story where a very young woman's body was laying in a casket. He said he went up to the front (he must have been the preacher at the funeral) and looked at the girl's body and said to the mourners; "Wasted life.....but saved soul." Evidently the young woman was no follower of the lord. But incidents such as this are the implications of this doctrine.

[Entertaining_Angels]

God never abandons His children.



That doesn't mean His children don't abandon Him. ;)

I agree 100%.

Unfortunately, I am close to some people who I have doubt were once saved but have gotten caught up in some teachings which focus more on earthly rewards (as opposed to Heavenly rewards). Everybody outside of these teachings can totally see how materialistic they have become. I think they've traded in the Jesus of the Bible for the 'jesus' of the world.

[nick18]

I agree 100%.

Unfortunately, I am close to some people who I have doubt were once saved but have gotten caught up in some teachings which focus more on earthly rewards (as opposed to Heavenly rewards). Everybody outside of these teachings can totally see how materialistic they have become. I think they've traded in the Jesus of the Bible for the 'jesus' of the world.
i think the best this to do is pray that God will guide them to his truth and expose false teaching everywhere. you can also ask questions and always point back to the bible to reference with your mates.

many churchs have had this issue at some stage. sometimes they reform or other times the economic climate changes and people leave such organisations. i mean the international church of christ seems to be going through a amazing reformation at the moment (at least in my home town).

but still makes you wonder if the damage that can be done is something worth worrying about if once saves always saved.

[Ceris]

What I do know is that I will never truly know the answer to this until I ask God in heaven.

That being said, I believe that while it is possible for one to lose his faith by turning his back on God, it is extremely hard for one to do one he has experienced salvation.

That's just my belief. In no way do I see it as defenitive or even necissarily correct.

[aggie03]

Can anyone show me in the Scriptures where a phrase like "truly saved person" vs. "not really saved person" is used? That seems to be a common thread here, but I can't find that in the Scriptures. Specifically, I would like to see that phrase "not really saved" from the Bible. Thanks :)

[FaithAlone]

I don't believe that it was ever God's intention to have us scared and constantly wondering if we are good enough from day to day. I believe that you are saved by grace and that those who are saved are justified and those who are justified are sanctified (made holy). If you really understand what Christ has saved you from, why would you ever not want to do what's pleasing to God? How can one who has died to sin still live in it?

John 6:37-39: "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out...that of ALL He has given Me I lose nothing, but I will raise it up at the last day."

John 10:27-30: "...I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; and no one(including ourselves) will snatch them out of My hand..."

John 3:18- "He who believes in Him is not condemned..."

Romans 8:1- "Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."

1 Corinthians (I forget what verse but it says it twice) : "All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything."

1 Peter 2:15-16: You are free, but use your freedom as bondslaves of Christ.

What is this freedom? Why aren't we condemned? Why is all lawful for us? If all is lawful for us then how can we lose our salvation? I realize that even though I am free from sin, anything that goes against God's will is not profitable so I avoid it.

[Codeman]

Nothing will snatch us out of his hands - (my indirect quotation/version..lol)




this doesn't stop me from jumping.
Not that I would, but I could.

[Josh187]

I personally live under the beliefe that once saved the holy spirit dwells in you, and nothing can change that, you may fall, but he will always get you back up. One thing that sometimes bothers me is when people use the term "truly saved", you are either saved or not, there are no "half-way saved" people. No offense to those who sometimes use this term, its just that it can confuse some people.

Josh,

[StevenL]

I think a good understanding of Scriptural "salvation" would clear up a lot of the arguments about this topic. A lot of confusion has arisen from the "come to the front of the church, say a 'sinners prayer', get baptized, poof!, you're saved" church practice.

[Rep Daddy]

I believe Eternal Life, the term Jesus used, is eternal...

not conditional life
not probationary life
not potential life




I believe Jesus words...John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.







I believe Eternal Life for those whom have been born again is a present posession.







1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

[Lynn73]

I personally live under the beliefe that once saved the holy spirit dwells in you, and nothing can change that, you may fall, but he will always get you back up. One thing that sometimes bothers me is when people use the term "truly saved", you are either saved or not, there are no "half-way saved" people. No offense to those who sometimes use this term, its just that it can confuse some people.

Josh,
The reason some of us no doubt use the term "truly saved" is that there appear to be many people who say they are but in reality haven't really accpepted Christ as Savior. They think they're saved by being good or because they were baptized years ago or raised in Christian family thay they've inherited salvation and can go on about their business and forget it. You're right that you're either saved or you aren't. But some that think they are really aren't so that's why the term "truly saved." Some don't really know the biblical plan of salvation.

[Bulldog]

A couple of months ago, I was listening to the radio and a religious commentator was talking about the doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved. He got to the part of a story where a very young woman's body was laying in a casket. He said he went up to the front (he must have been the preacher at the funeral) and looked at the girl's body and said to the mourners; "Wasted life.....but saved soul." Evidently the young woman was no follower of the lord. But incidents such as this are the implications of this doctrine.

:scratch:

[Asaph]

I have had people tell me to my face that they were Christian because they were born in America.

If that is not a faux christian then maybe the term is being applied too loosely and those who think they can so easily cast aside that which was actually done for them need to get their eyes on something other than their prideful "freewill" claims.

{I step off the soapbox and promise (;) ) to quit throwing bibles at people}

Asaph

[1denomination]

I belive what Jesus said MATT 7:21 Not every man that saith unto me lord lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven ; But he who doeth the will of my father which is in heaven.

7:22 Many will say unto me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in thy name cast out devils, and in thy name done many wonderful works?

7:23 and then i will profess unto them, I never knew you depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
And also belive what Paul said. 2 Corintians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves.........

and I belive what James said. James 2:17 Even so faith if it have not works is dead, being alone

I do not belive once saved always saved. I know far to many people who in no way live for god. But thay say I belive in god thats all that matters isnt it, well im sorry but know james said chapter 2 versr 19 that the devils belive and tremble. And im sure we all know where the devils are headed. Well anyway thanks for letting me rant may God bless :prayer:

[Bulldog]

I do not belive once saved always saved. I know far to many people who in no way live for god. But thay say I belive in god thats all that matters isnt it, well im sorry but know james said chapter 2 versr 19 that the devils belive and tremble. And im sure we all know where the devils are headed. Well anyway thanks for letting me rant may God bless :prayer:

More of an issueof justification, when we say "faith alone" we mean that, we are justified by saving faith alone, apart from works, but saving faith results in good works.

~God Bless

[1denomination]

we are justified by saving faith alone, apart from works, but saving faith results in good works.

~God Bless Amen I belive that saving faith results in good works thus the previous scripture 2 corintians 13:5 Examine yourselves............ by examining ourselve we keep our selves in ckeck that we dont drift to far from the faith. and if we were always saved wy the need to examine our selves. God bless:prayer:

[Bulldog]

Amen I belive that saving faith results in good works thus the previous scripture 2 corintians 13:5 Examine yourselves............ by examining ourselve we keep our selves in ckeck that we dont drift to far from the faith. and if we were always saved wy the need to examine our selves. God bless:prayer:

We examinee ourselves because we can and do fall into periods of sin. Nobody has ever denied that we can fal, just that we cano fal completly out of salvation.

We will not always be the strongest in the faith, but our lives will never be charachterized by sin.

Have you every sinned? Sinned shortly after that? Do you thinkthat you lost your salvation?


~God Bless

[1denomination]

We examinee ourselves because we can and do fall into periods of sin. Nobody has ever denied that we can fal, just that we cano fal completly out of salvation.

We will not always be the strongest in the faith, but our lives will never be charachterized by sin.

Have you every sinned? Sinned shortly after that? Do you thinkthat you lost your salvation?


~God BlessYes I have sinned and I have repented and if shall fall again I shall repent remebering that true repentence bears change. But I belive it was jesus who said it best when he said It is beter to have never know me than to have known me and turned away. if it is impossible to turn away then why the warning? just a thought. God bless:prayer:

[Believer-in-Christ]

Once you are saved that means that you have been saved for that moment in your life, I think. We will need to kep repenting our sins because we all sin. Once we have the victory the battle becomes more intense then ever. I have found this prevalent in my case. My battles against the enemy have only heated up since I was saved. It's like this for most people, I think. You should realise what you need to do to stay on top of things once all is said and done.

[holyrokker]

I believe that everyone of us brings a lot of personal predisposed ideas into our study of the Bible. Because it is so easy to hold on to our personal bias, it's easy for us to reach certain conclusions that may differ from other people's conclusions.

"Once Save Always Saved" is a topic that has divided the church for hundreds of years.

It's important to study the topic. It's even more important to accept that "I" might be wrong and that the person with a different understanding could be right.

I believe that I am saved by the grace of God, that I don't deserve His salvation, and that He may do as He pleases with me because He is righteous.

[StevenL]

"It's important to study the topic. It's even more important to accept that "I" might be wrong and that the person with a different understanding could be right."

Or...that both of you could be partially right and partially wrong. I think there are elements of truth in most positions that people take, since we see into a dim mirror. Even groups that most christians consider to be cults have some truth, some even have some very profound truth mixed with the errors.

[Lynn73]

I have had people tell me to my face that they were Christian because they were born in America.

If that is not a faux christian then maybe the term is being applied too loosely and those who think they can so easily cast aside that which was actually done for them need to get their eyes on something other than their prideful "freewill" claims.

{I step off the soapbox and promise (;) ) to quit throwing bibles at people}

Asaph
And I had a lady in Hawaii say that she inherited Christianity from her parents. Where do people get these unbiblical ideas. Being born in America doesn't make anyone a Christian any more than being born in a garage makes you a car. And you cannot inherit salvation from your parents. You are quite right, the term Christian is being applied where there is no right to apply it.

[Lynn73]

Once you are saved that means that you have been saved for that moment in your life, I think. We will need to kep repenting our sins because we all sin. Once we have the victory the battle becomes more intense then ever. I have found this prevalent in my case. My battles against the enemy have only heated up since I was saved. It's like this for most people, I think. You should realise what you need to do to stay on top of things once all is said and done.
Being saved means being saved forever, not just for one moment imho. It's not truly eternal life if you can lose it. I rest in confidence that I belong to Jesus forever, have been sealed by the Spirit, and no one can snatch me from His hand. He will lose nothing that belongs to Him. The devil likes to point out all my faults and make me doubt my salvation all the time but the Bible says I'm saved and that has the final word, not my feelings. I can't imagine how anyone could be happy if they think their salvation can be forfeited. I can't live like that. You would never know if you were saved untill you died, but God's word says you can know you have eternal life. And eternal life means just that...eternal, never ending.

[1denomination]

Ok lets say that a Christian were to blaspheme the holy spirt what then, since we all know there is no forgiveness for such act. God Bless:prayer:

[fiveinjuly]

Instead of worrying about whether or not a person who is saved will always be saved even if they leave the body, shouldn't we concerned about keeping people in the body so we dont have to wonder about them if they leave?

[1denomination]

Instead of worrying about whether or not a person who is saved will always be saved even if they leave the body, shouldn't we concerned about keeping people in the body so we dont have to wonder about them if they leave?:amen:

[Artificial Intelligence]

Yes, I find that "eternal security" seems to be what the bible teaches. Now, predestination I'm not so sure about. But once someone is truly saved, it's in God's hands from then on.

[sweetmercy]

I believe that a person can lose their salvation if they choose to. Matthew 5:13 says: "You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men." I take this to mean that if we are living for God and are saved, but then turn away from Him, God "throws us out." This is why I believe this: when I was 14 I became a Christian. I loved the Lord and lived for Him for 4 years, until at age 17 I decided to turn away from Him to get involved with a non-Christian guy. A series of ungodly relationships and some partying followed, for five years. During that time I completely gave up my salvation, because I didn't care about God and wanted to live life my way. If someone back then asked me about my religious beliefs I would say "I used to be a Christian, but I don't follow any religion now." If I had died back then, I believe strongly that I would have gone to hell, because I basically chose to. Thank God for His amazing love that He has since brought me back to Him!
Jen

[1denomination]

I completely gave up my salvation, because I didn't care about God and wanted to live life my way. If someone back then asked me about my religious beliefs I would say "I used to be a Christian, but I don't follow any religion now." If I had died back then, I believe strongly that I would have gone to hell, because I basically chose to. Thank God for His amazing love that He has since brought me back to Him!
Jen
Welcome back to the family. Praise god for you.:prayer:


now back to the disscussion.Hebrews 3:14 For we are made partakers of christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast until the end.

What happens if we dont hold own? Will we no longer be partakers?

[fluffy_rainbow]

I believe once saved, always saved; however, I believe alot of people never fully accept Christ as their Savior. Maybe that's a shot in the dark, but the Bible says we will know them by their fruits. Too many people proclaim Christ, but merely use Him as "fire insurance" because they're scared of going to hell. These are the people who are not set apart. You would never know, unless they told you, that they are a Christian. I have to wonder, are they a Christian? People who truly accept Christ and surrender their life to Him show a markable difference in their lifestyle, attitude, and choices. You can see it when they walk and you can hear it in their talk that they totally embody Christ. People like that are very strong in their faith and therefore there is no way they could "lose" their salvation.

[1denomination]

Too many people proclaim Christ, but merely use Him as "fire insurance" because they're scared of going to hell. " Fire insurance" never heard it put quite that way b 4, Now thats funny right there.

[Lynn73]

Ok lets say that a Christian were to blaspheme the holy spirt what then, since we all know there is no forgiveness for such act. God Bless:prayer:
What true Christian would ever desire to blaspheme the Holy Spirit? :scratch:

[cygnusx1]

What true Christian would ever desire to blaspheme the Holy Spirit? :scratch:
True !
and doesn't God's word say He has placed something in His people to keep them from falling ........... and I am not talking about the Holy Spirit ....;)