The idenity of God

[Buccaneer]

I know this question has been asked about 30,0000 billion times, but I can't find a search option, and this question has really been getting to me for a long time. Is Yashua simply the son of YHWH or is he actually YHWH in a human body? What truth could possibly be in the Godhead doctrine. Every time I search this topic, I find an abundance of verses to support each of the theories. This question may condemn me if I remain ignorant of it. I have been made to be fairly passive on this subject as not to offend YHWH in case I decide on the wrong belief. I in my own mind, say that I yield myself to the mystery of the son of man and can only call him the son of God for now as that is the only safe title I can recognize, lest I come to know the truth soon and hope that he is merciful about my unsureness. I don't question he is who he said he is, I'm just not sure who he really claimed to be. The Bible says that our father will appear to those who diligently seek him, so I came here. Is there anyone who can offer definitive proof to reveal the truth? It's so confusing to me. On this depends my whole faith. The translations and ages have dulled the exact meanings of the original text.

[countrymousenc]

Buccaneer, I hope you won't mind if I offer some possible help from the Orthodox point of view, even though you asked the question in PRE. Here is a link to a page where there's a lot of helpful material regarding the doctrine of the Trinity as it was understood by the Church through the first 1,000 years.

Also, for what it's worth, I don't believe that God, who loves us so much that He sent His own Son to die on the Cross for our sake, would have failed to preserve His message in the Scriptures, across time and translations. Take heart.

God bless you,
cm

Edit: http://www.oca.org/pages/orth_chri/Orthodox-Faith/Doctrine/index.html#holy-trinity

[Buccaneer]

No, I don't mind, but where is the link? Anyway, thanks for the responce.

[Oblio]

Yashua simply the son of YHWH or is he actually YHWH in a human body?


Jesus is the Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father. He is also True God of True God, of the same essense as God. That is, He is God, 100%. He is also man, 100% One translation gives it that He 'became flesh'. While He has this dual nature, they are not separate (like multiple personalities) nor are they confused or mixed so that He is half God and half man, or a Divine soul wrapped in a mortal body (which you may have been hinting at in your OP).

[countrymousenc]

:sorry: oops! (had a gray moment - I can say that legitimately!)

http://www.oca.org/pages/orth_chri/Orthodox-Faith/Doctrine/index.html#holy-trinity

[Buccaneer]

Jesus is the Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father. He is also True God of True God, of the same essense as God. That is, He is God, 100%. He is also man, 100% One translation gives it that He 'became flesh'. While He has this dual nature, they are not separate (like multiple personalities) nor are they confused or mixed so that He is half God and half man, or a Divine soul wrapped in a mortal body (which you may have been hinting at in your OP).
Geh...I still dont get it. SO you say that the actual mind/soul/thoughts/person of Yashua is that very spirit that is god? Yet, that spirit is not actually within the body? Sorry, but its just hard for me to comprehend.

[Oblio]

No what I am saying is that He is not simply just a Divine soul in a human body. Remember, His mother was a human. All His human characteristics He took from her. So He was not just God in a human body taking His flesh from her and His spirit from God.

[Buccaneer]

ah, but ultimately, it was God himself who came down and not a third party. Yashua was the result of YHWH's soul and mary's mortality. There is no Spirit of Yashua separate from YHWH.
EDIT
Take the Garden of Gethsemane or the quote "My god, my god, why have you forsaken me." "Father forgive them, they know not what they do." Why would he say this if he were 100% God in addition to man. Also, when he would say it is not his will but his father who is in heaven. Same with the baptism when God said Behold, this is my son of whom I am well pleased (something like that) Then there is the quotes saying that the fullness of the godhead is within him, and thomas calls him his god and him claiming to be I AM and the Alpha and the Omega. Being on the father's right hand. In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god. And God said, Let US make man in OUR image. These are the reasons I am so confused and unsure what to believe.

[The Lord is my banner]

Hello Buccaneer :wave:

Take the Garden of Gethsemane or the quote "My god, my god, why have you forsaken me." "Father forgive them, they know not what they do." Why would he say this if he were 100% God in addition to man. Also, when he would say it is not his will but his father who is in heaven. Same with the baptism when God said Behold, this is my son of whom I am well pleased

From eternity the Holy Trinity has been in unbroken fellowship, but when Jesus chose to lay aside His majesty temporarily and dwell with us, He deliberately limited himself to using the means of man in most activities of daily life. Otherwise how could He be truly human? Therefore He prayed in the manner of human beings, showing us how we could have this relationship with God.

If Jesus had walked the earth with His full glory unveiled to sinful mankind, we would have been unable to exist in His presence, and His mission could not succeed that way. So He chose to live as one of us, to demonstrate how a perfect human life would look, and to identify Himself with us.

Likewise He only did what He saw the Father doing - ie. He listened to the prompting of His Father in Heaven, then acted upon that.
As man, he would be voluntarily limited for a time, but still sinless, and in perfect communion with the Father, so He perfectly understood everything the Father revealed to Him, and was in total harmony with that revealed will, whereas we have to wait until we see him face to face to finally "know as we are known."

God knew the difficulties ahead for His Son, and at His baptism chose to proclaim that Jesus was pleasing to Him so that the people would have a chance to accept Him, being assured that this was His chosen one.

On the cross Jesus, the Holy God without sin, BECAME our sin. That is why He felt the pain of the Father turning His face away - God cannot look on sin.

So yes, Jesus Christ is God.

From a human standpoint it is impossible to understand all this completely. It is a mystery of faith. We just have to allow Him to draw us deeper towards Himself all our lives, and we'll always be learning if we keep seeking.

Hope this helps.

Blessings, Susana