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catholicboy

26th March 2004, 01:45 PM

II Paradox II

26th March 2004, 02:07 PM

hey guys... i was just trying to remember who the other guy was who had a large protestant following? i know one was calvin, but can't remember the other one. i think it starts with an "A". armineanism or something like that?? thanks!!
hmm... well, the name you mentioned sounds like Arminius. He later became associated with what we know as arminianism (emphasizing free-will instead of predestination). However, he really wouldn't be considered one of the major reformers. That would be probably Luther, Calvin, Zwingli and perhaps a few others like John Knox or Melancthon...

ken

LynneClomina

26th March 2004, 03:45 PM

hey guys... i was just trying to remember who the other guy was who had a large protestant following? i know one was calvin, but can't remember the other one. i think it starts with an "A". armineanism or something like that?? thanks!!

God bless!

Aaron
hi when it comes to "calvinism vs. a........", the two opposites in protestant doctrine, then yes, that would be Jacobus Arminius. but that was not his real name, "Like most classically trained humanist scholars of his era, he eventually Latinized his name, recalling the "Arminius" who had been a 1st century Germanic leader noted for his resistance to the Romans." from http://www.victorshepherd.on.ca/Other%20Writings/jacobus_arminius.htm

there is a brief comparison of the two here:

http://www.biblical-theology.com/calvinism/comparsn.htm

Reformationist

26th March 2004, 05:12 PM

...Melancthon...

ken

Hey Ken,

Do you know of any good books about this guy. I only recently started realizing the high esteem in which he was held by many of the reformers and I would like to read more about him.

Thanks bro,
God bless

Lotar

26th March 2004, 06:11 PM

Hey Ken,

Do you know of any good books about this guy. I only recently started realizing the high esteem in which he was held by many of the reformers and I would like to read more about him.

Thanks bro,
God bless
I just got his book Loci Communes in the mail today. I've only read a couple excerpts but it's suppose to be excellent, it was the first Protestant theological text book. It was the book that Luther praised in the beginning of The Bondage of the Will. His commentary on Romans is supposed to be really good. He also wrote the Augsburg Confessions, the Defense of the Augsburg Confessions, and the Power and Primacy of the Pope.

II Paradox II

26th March 2004, 06:23 PM

Do you know of any good books about this guy. I only recently started realizing the high esteem in which he was held by many of the reformers and I would like to read more about him.
hmm... you may want to try out Lotar's suggestions. I only know the basics about Melancthon. I don't have time for that much reading =)

ken

Reformationist

27th March 2004, 02:14 AM

Reformationist

27th March 2004, 02:19 AM

I just got his book Loci Communes in the mail today. I've only read a couple excerpts but it's suppose to be excellent, it was the first Protestant theological text book. It was the book that Luther praised in the beginning of The Bondage of the Will. His commentary on Romans is supposed to be really good. He also wrote the Augsburg Confessions, the Defense of the Augsburg Confessions, and the Power and Primacy of the Pope.

Lotar, if you're interested in reading about Luther I recommend Luther Alive by Edith Simon. It's a great read and gives a LOT of insight into Luther, his relationship with Philip Melanchthon and many of the other aspects of Luther's life. It's NOT light reading. I suggest having a dictionary at your side when reading it. The author has the most impressive vocabulary I've ever encountered, even in a biographical account of a theologian. Anyway, it's great and you'd really enjoy it.

God bless

Reformationist

27th March 2004, 02:22 AM

By the way Lotar, I love your avatar. That is one of my favorite movies of all time.

"My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die." :D :D :D

Flynmonkie

27th March 2004, 02:32 AM

This might help....
Roots of the Reformation

Avignon Papacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avignon_Papacy) ("Babylonian Captivity of the Church"), Avignon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avignon), Great Schism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Schism)
Jan Hus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Hus), John Wyclif (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wyclif), William Tyndale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tyndale)
Northern Renaissance, Erasmus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus), Thomas More (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_More)
Reformation begins

Martin Luther (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther), Johann Tetzel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Tetzel), Indulgences, 95 Theses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/95_Theses) (not nailed to church door), Nicolaus Von Amsdorf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Von_Amsdorf)
Exsurge Domine, Diet of Worms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_of_Worms) (1521), Peasants' War
Huldreich Zwingli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huldreich_Zwingli) and Zurich
John Calvin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calvin) and Geneva
John Knox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Knox) and Scotland
Radical Reformers -- Müntzer, Anabaptists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabaptists), Menno Simon (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Menno_Simon&action=edit)
Reformation in France?
Find more here at :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformation

Lotar

27th March 2004, 06:29 PM

Thanks Lotar, and Ken. :)

I actually went to the library and picked up about 10 books so maybe I'll get some good reading.

Lotar, is that Loci Communes in Latin or is it in relatively modern day language?

Thanks,
God bless
Concordia Publishing House has a modern translation.

Lotar, if you're interested in reading about Luther I recommend Luther Alive by Edith Simon. It's a great read and gives a LOT of insight into Luther, his relationship with Philip Melanchthon and many of the other aspects of Luther's life. It's NOT light reading. I suggest having a dictionary at your side when reading it. The author has the most impressive vocabulary I've ever encountered, even in a biographical account of a theologian. Anyway, it's great and you'd really enjoy it.

God bless
Thanks, I'll have to check it out.

By the way Lotar, I love your avatar. That is one of my favorite movies of all time.

"My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
:cool:

theologia crucis

27th March 2004, 06:37 PM

95 Theses (not nailed to church door)

I hope I can remember the quote right:

Whether they were nailed to the Castle Church door or mailed to the Archbishop, the 95 Theses were "posted".

Sorry, bad, dry attempt at Lutheran humor...

BarbB

27th March 2004, 06:57 PM

I hope I can remember the quote right:

Whether they were nailed to the Castle Church door or mailed to the Archbishop, the 95 Theses were "posted".

Sorry, bad, dry attempt at Lutheran humor...

Ha ha ha!

To answer the OP (and I am VERY surprised that no one else had this answer):

It's Calvin and Hobbes! :P (Church of God humor! :D)

Bulldog

27th March 2004, 07:43 PM

Whether they were nailed to the Castle Church door or mailed to the Archbishop, the 95 Theses were "posted".

I don't get it.......... :scratch: :confused:

JeffreyLloyd

27th March 2004, 07:49 PM

Ha ha ha!

To answer the OP (and I am VERY surprised that no one else had this answer):

It's Calvin and Hobbes! :P (Church of God humor! :D)

hehe, Hobbes was going to be my answer :)

Flynmonkie

27th March 2004, 10:20 PM

I hope I can remember the quote right:

Whether they were nailed to the Castle Church door or mailed to the Archbishop, the 95 Theses were "posted".

Sorry, bad, dry attempt at Lutheran humor...
I did not write this.......it is at an Encyclopedia. I posted for information. However if you have a problem with information with this encyclopedia...I believe they have a place where you can dispute it.

Did not mean to post anything demeaning.....? Did not even see that. If you actually went to the link, you would see that it is right there on the site.

BarbB

27th March 2004, 10:55 PM

I don't get it.......... :scratch: :confused:

Nailed to the door - posted to the door!

Mailed to the Archbishop - posted (postal service) to the Archbishop!

I still think it's funny!

JeffreyLloyd, we have similar tasteful senses of humor! LOL!

Bulldog

27th March 2004, 10:57 PM

Nailed to the door - posted to the door!

Mailed to the Archbishop - posted (postal service) to the Archbishop!

I still think it's funny!

:|

Flynmonkie

27th March 2004, 11:00 PM

:blush: Well I still feel bad:( , because it was not intended as a joke:( :sigh: ....actually everything I have ever read is that they were nailed to the door:confused:

Actually, after further review this was the intent, apparently to show there was a disagreement regarding this fact. Some believe that this did not happen, as others do. By no means did I post this to take a side, as I said before I did not even see that. I mostly posted because of the names that were listed. If you click on the link..you will see the recount that it is referring to.

95 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/95_Theses) theses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/95_Theses) !

Traditionally, Luther posted the 95 Theses on the door of the Castle Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Castle_Church&action=edit) in Wittenberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wittenberg), Germany on October 31 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_31), 1517 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1517). Some scholars have questioned the accuracy of this account, noting that no contemporary evidence exists for it. Others have countered that no such evidence is necessary, since this action was the customary way of advertising an event on a university campus of Luther's day. Church doors functioned very much the way bulletin boards function on a twenty-first century college campus. Still other suggest the posting may well have happened sometime of November 1517. Most agree that, at the very least, Luther mailed the theses to the Archbishop of Mainz, the pope, friends and other universities on that date.

WashedClean

28th March 2004, 10:26 AM

Getting back to the original question, could it be John Wesley, who founded Methodism? There is also a denom. of Methodism called Wesleyan. Maybe that's what you were thinking of?

A. believer

28th March 2004, 03:53 PM

Ha ha ha!

To answer the OP (and I am VERY surprised that no one else had this answer):

It's Calvin and Hobbes! :P (Church of God humor! :D)
The cartoon Calvin's namesake is, indeed, the theologian, John Calvin, but his tiger Hobbes is named after the Rationalist philosopher, Thomas Hobbes, whose philosophical speculations were inherently unChristian.

I don't think Bill Watterson has any appreciation for the distinction between the original Calvin and Hobbes, though. I believe he chose the names because both men held a low view of human nature.

catholicboy

28th March 2004, 06:47 PM

Getting back to the original question, could it be John Wesley, who founded Methodism? There is also a denom. of Methodism called Wesleyan. Maybe that's what you were thinking of?

no... not wesley. i know a lot about him. i hang out a lot at "the wesley" on campus and have talked about some really deep stuff with some of my friends over there.

i think someone answered it on the first page but thanks everyone for their input!

God bless!

Aaron

BarbB

28th March 2004, 10:42 PM

:blush: Well I still feel bad:( , because it was not intended as a joke:( :sigh: ....actually everything I have ever read is that they were nailed to the door:confused:

I'm sorry, Flynmonkie - I thought you were teasing. I would never want to make you feel bad. :o :cry:

theologia crucis

28th March 2004, 10:57 PM

I did not write this.......it is at an Encyclopedia. I posted for information. However if you have a problem with information with this encyclopedia...I believe they have a place where you can dispute it.

Did not mean to post anything demeaning.....? Did not even see that. If you actually went to the link, you would see that it is right there on the site.

You didn't post anything demeaning, and I have no problem with it. I don't care if he nailed 'em to the church door or sent them by mail...

Since part of what you had originally posted had a question as to whether the Theses were posted on the Castle Church door or not (I couldn't tell if that was from you or the encyclopedia), I thought it would be sorta funny to post what I did.

I'm glad somebody got it and thought it was funny! (It is VERY dry humor...)

I'm sorry if I hijacked the thread...

BTW, C&H was/is my favorite cartoon. My family thinks I'm the incarnate Calvin (the cartoon character, not the theologian!)...

Flynmonkie

29th March 2004, 12:57 AM

No Apologies needed!:wave: I just did not see that part regarding the dispute, :scratch: I posted too quickly and became afraid it might start an argument or something. :( That was not my intent!!:sigh: So that was my main concern, :blush: I am not very familiar with Calvin and Hobbs. :confused: So I did not know how to take your comments.

No worries here and Thank you both for clearing it up! ;) Learn something new every day!:)