Who is Yasser Arafat Endorsing?

[Pray4Isrel]

Kerry, of course:
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40988

As if you didn't already have enough reasons NOT to vote for Kerry.

[ILY]

Shalom all

P4I,
I am shocked! ;)

Say it's not so :D

Takes one "all talker, no actioner" to know one ;)

Shalom V' shalom

ILY

[rooster]

If Arafat was "smarter" he could had openly supported Bush instead as a ploy.

[Pray4Isrel]

It's amazing how the lines are drawn... if anyone out there is still unsure, there's a huge problem.

[Sephania]

What is Kerry's stance on Israel? I am sure that was what arafat is supporting, not the American.

[Shimshon]

Well, seeing how the article only stated that Arafat was wanting Kerry because he can't stand Bush's politics and sees more of an advantage for himself if Kerry were elected. I think it's a shame that some people would use this as foder aginst Kerry. Are you aware that Bush desires a seperate palestinian "terrorist" state within Yisrael? I say within Yisrael because the land Bush sees as neccessary to bring about peace in the region is nothing less than Yisraeli land. G-d's Land!!! And all who seek to give it away and divide it will be destroyed.


I vote Yeshua!!! Let your Kingdom come!!!

[ILY]

Shalom shimshon :wave:

No offense friend but think of how much "fodder" would there be if everyone voted like Kerry for the first Gulf War?! The republic of Iraq would be much bigger and more powerful! :eek: Notice also Kerry in one of the debates said "we need to reach out to Muslims" he didn't say Arabs, but Muslims!

Why else would Arafat want to see Kerry rather than Bush in? Let's see Saddam sent quite alot of money to terrorist families who sent their children to blow themselves up and kill inncocent Jews!

Now according to Kerry this being the "wrong war wrong time" which incidentally he voted to send our troops there, but voted not to send more/better equiptment to them, and goes on to use the fact that some of our folks equiptment is not the best! Which is it?Support our troops or not?

I disagree with Bush where it concerns "establishing a Palestinian state in Israel" but he has made it clear as far as I can tell, that it would be without Arafat, who has proved he wants nothing to do with peace!

More fodder any person of faith should consider is the fact that Kerry voted against the ban on the brutal act of partial birth abortions, Bush did not and doesn't support that.Also one should read Lev 18:22 and see if Kerry is inline with what G_d says about that issue.


I agree with you here
I vote Yeshua!!! Let your Kingdom come!!! :amen: & :amen: :bow:

Shalom V' shalom

ILY

[ShirChadash]

Give Terrorism a Chance; Vote Kerry-Edwards in '04 :mad:

[ShirChadash]

And, Ditto ILY!

[Katydid]

Now according to Kerry this being the "wrong war wrong time" which incidentally he voted to send our troops there, but voted not to send more/better equiptment to them, and goes on to use the fact that some of our folks equiptment is not the best! Which is it?Support our troops or not?



Just so Kerry's argument holds no weight for you guys. Our troops that are deployed are now being issued 14 more items. They are going to have them very soon as some have already recieved them. This is not something Kerry wants spread around so shout it loudly OK.

[Shimshon]

Shalom ILY, :wave:

No offense taken :)

I have seen and heard all the things you are refering to about Kerry. As I see it, if Bush stays we will have more of the same and the prophetic clock will remain at the speed it is. But if Kerry enters we may just be speeding to the Day of Adonai all the more faster. So ironic too, seeing as it was the Bush legacy that reigned in the "NEW WORLD ORDER" on Regans coattails. And now it seems that it is the Bush legacy that is acting like an anchor to maintain status quo and Kerry who desires to lead us into the "One World Government".

I myself don't see a difference from one to the other. Both stand for things against G-d and the whole system is a corrupt one. Will you spend your life sifting through the leaven or will you throw out the whole infected bunch and become Kadosh? All nations that do not follow G-d will be brought low. A house divided against itself can not stand. Congress is the opposite of progress and a leader is no better than his followers. The writting is one the wall....T'SHUVAH!!!

Come out of her all my people for the time is come

:preach: (comes down from his soap box....you know, they need a "prophet" icon here...one dressed like Yochanan or Yimreyahu with a staff ...looking like he is speaking to the multitudes...but I guess this christian looking smiley will do for now)

[ILY]

Shalom V' shalom all,

Shimshon my young ;) friend I pray all is well with you and yours :wave:

You said,

I have seen and heard all the things you are refering to about Kerry. As I see it, if Bush stays we will have more of the same and the prophetic clock will remain at the speed it is. But if Kerry enters we may just be speeding to the Day of Adonai all the more faster. So ironic too, seeing as it was the Bush legacy that reigned in the "NEW WORLD ORDER" on Regans coattails. And now it seems that it is the Bush legacy that is acting like an anchor to maintain status quo and Kerry who desires to lead us into the "One World Government".

So by this you mean we would force H'Shem to move faster?! I disagree achi.As He has purposed so it will stand!He will move at His designated Hour, not ours!From that logic are you saying we should vote for the most detestable person to "speed up the Day of Adonai?!

New World Order.Hmmm Wasn't it Carter who signed the peace treaty with Arafat?!Regan and the Bush's have stood up to the enemies of Israel and the U.S. for the most part.

I myself don't see a difference from one to the other. Both stand for things against G-d and the whole system is a corrupt one. Will you spend your life sifting through the leaven or will you throw out the whole infected bunch and become Kadosh? All nations that do not follow G-d will be brought low. A house divided against itself can not stand. Congress is the opposite of progress and a leader is no better than his followers. The writting is one the wall....T'SHUVAH!!!

No difference.Let's see; You know what Leviticus 18:22 says of that I am sure, Ha'Shem has declared it an ABOMINATION to Him, so let's see any differences of the 2.
Kerry has voted to support what Ha'Shem declares as an abomination, Bush ahs been against it! Are you aware of what takes place in some instances with these partial birth abortions?! Were talking mature babies, murdered!Do you think Ha'Shem is for this behaviour?
I don't.Kerry has voted against the ban of this most brutal act!strike 2 in my book!

Bush has tried to stop this practice.

About throwing out the Leaven and becoming Kadosh; Ha'Shem allowed man to rule himself, and ceratinly man is not perfect and cannot rule perfectly, but we the people that are saying we believe in Him and His words, but sit idle while His words are rejected in our courts, particularly Sen. Kerry's state of Mass.They have tried to rewrite the constitution there, and allow all manner of abominations to come about from the stench on the bench!So what do you call Leaven?

We are to pay attention to issues of morality and see who has supported things in that area, and Kerry has failed repeatedly.Bush is not perfect but he has shown that he believes in the value of life, particularly to the most innocent one's who cannot speak for themselves! Until Yeshua returns, we should try to uplift moral values, and not let them steal our rights to worship G_d from under us, and that's just what some of them want to do!Will we help or hender them?!The writing is in the Books, and we are either for Him and His Words/Laws, or we are against them!

Come out of her all my people for the time is come
He will make that call at His due time!


I think we have a responsibility to our children and grandchildren to stand up and make our voices known for Yeshua :bow: The enemy is within and we either sit back and say what should be done, and do nothing, or we get active and be the salt of the earth ;) :bow:

Shabbat Shalom all

ILY

[Shimshon]

ILY,

Todah rabba, My family is blessed beyond the curse and Adonai is adding to my family as we speak :clap: . (his name will be Yosef)


So by this you mean we would force H'Shem to move faster?! I disagree achi.

As do I, I never said nor implied that "we" would be able to force G-d's hand on anything. I said and ment that we just might be able to tell if G-D is deciding to speed things up or keep them at pace.

As He has purposed so it will stand!He will move at His designated Hour, not ours!

Agreed

From that logic are you saying we should vote for the most detestable person to "spped up the Day of Adonai?!

both are detestible in my sight. I voted for Yeshua, He is my King.

New World Order.Hmmm Wasn't it Carter who sigened the peace treaty with Arafat?!Regan and the Bush's have stood up to the enemies of Israel and the U.S. for the most part.

Carter seemed to desire and bring about true peace, Regan Bush just want peace for their own monitary stability. IMHO


No difference.Let's see You know what Leviticus 18:22 says of that I am sure, Ha'Shem has declared it and ABOMINATION to Him, so let's see any differences of the 2.Kerry has voted to support what Ha'Shem declares as an abomination, Bush ahs been against it! Are you aware of what takes place in some instances with these partial birth abortions?! Were talking mature babies, murdered!Do you think Ha'Shem is for this behaviour?I don't.Kerry has voted against the ban of this most brutal act!strike 2 in my book!

Again, both are an abomination. Kerry makes consessions to "muslim" not arabs. And Bush makes no hidden secret that he desires Yisrael to hand over land to the arab refugees who are trying to "drive Yisrael to the sea". BOTH acts are worthy of DEATH.


Bush has tried to stop this practice.

it's real easy to say your against something when you have no ability to change it..i.e congress&lobbyists

About throwing out the Leaven and becoming Kadosh;

Yet you will stand up for a person who desires to divide G-d's land? is that kadosh?

Ha'Shem allowed man to rule himself, and ceratinly man is not perfect and cannot rule perfectly, but we the people that are saying we believe in Him and His words, but sit idle while His words are rejected in our courts, particularly Sen. Kerry's state of Mass.They have tried to rewrite the constitution there, and allow all manner of abominations to come about from the stench on the bench!So what do you call Leaven?

That which is not "kadosh". As I stated..BOTH are proven to be full of leaven.


We are to pay attention to issues of morality and see who has supported things in that area, and Kerry has failed repeatedly.Bush is not perfect but he has shown that he believes in the value of life, particularly to the most innocent one's who cannot speak for themselves!

I knew many "good witches" that have shown they believe in the value of life.

Until Yeshua returns, we should try to uplift moral values,

Yes, we are a light shining in a dark and crooked world.

and not let them steal our rights to worship G_d from under us, and that's just what some of them want to do!

Do you believe things are going to get worse before they get better? do you think the sun is up? The darkest hour is yet to come. Our strength is in Yeshua. Not the world.

Will we help or hender them?!The writing is in the Books, and we are either for Him and His Words/Laws, or we are against them!

Do you think that it is possible that by voting for Bush you could be going against the will of G-d because he desires to speed things up?....it's just a thought.


I think we have a responsibility to our children and grandchildren to stand up and make our voices known for Yeshua :bow:

Is this not done by our being Kadosh living witnesses of the testimony. Living it out instead of merely talking about it.

The enemy is within and we either sit back and say what should be done, and do nothing, or we get active and be the salt of the earth ;) :bow:

O.k. I've got a non Torah observant, abortion legislating, muslim pandering, democratic tax spender. And a non Torah observant, money power lusting, arab conspiring oil tycone, who desires to coherse Yisrael to give the terroists he has vowed to fight G-d's very own land. And I'm supposed to .....choose the better of two evils? obsurd.


b'shalom
Shimshon

[Shimshon]

Again, both are an abomination. Kerry makes consessions to "muslim" not arabs. And Bush makes no hidden secret that he desires Yisrael to hand over land to the arab refugees who are trying to "drive Yisrael to the sea". BOTH acts are worthy of DEATH.
ouch. this statment would be correct as intended if I used the Kerry abortion issue not pandering to muslims.

[ILY]

Shalom Shimshon, :wave:

you said,

Todah rabba, My family is blessed beyond the curse and Adonai is adding to my family as we speak . (his name will be Yosef)
Well congratulations(Mazal Tov/Kol Hakavod) :clap:

Is that your first?

you said
both are detestible in my sight. I voted for Yeshua, He is my King.Great choice! :amen: But you have however defended Kerry!

(ILY)New World Order.Hmmm Wasn't it Carter who sigened the peace treaty with Arafat?!Regan and the Bush's have stood up to the enemies of Israel and the U.S. for the most part.

(Shimshon)Carter seemed to desire and bring about true peace, Regan Bush just want peace for their own monitary stability. IMHO as you said iyho.How did Reagan gain monitarliy from attacking Khadaffi?So you think Carter's motives were pure?Even if that's true, the end result certainly hasn't helped the Jews in Israel! Is it ok just because he is a Democrat?What "true peace" did Carter bring about?!


(ILY)No difference.Let's see You know what Leviticus 18:22 says of that I am sure, Ha'Shem has declared it and ABOMINATION to Him, so let's see any differences of the 2.Kerry has voted to support what Ha'Shem declares as an abomination, Bush has been against it! Are you aware of what takes place in some instances with these partial birth abortions?! Were talking mature babies, murdered!Do you think Ha'Shem is for this behaviour?I don't.Kerry has voted against the ban of this most brutal act!strike 2 in my book!

(Shimshon)Again, both are an abomination. Kerry makes consessions to "muslim" not arabs. And Bush makes no hidden secret that he desires Yisrael to hand over land to the arab refugees who are trying to "drive Yisrael to the sea". BOTH acts are worthy of DEATH.


So there again you defend Kerry! Look the land is the Ha'Shems, Who gave it to the Jews we all agree there, but if and only if, He decides the Jews are not to keep the land, then history tells they want!Scripture tells us they aren't going anywhere
.Bush has made it clear, he want negotiate with Arafat, or anyone who is not real about peace, so what are the chances of that land being given to the enemies of Yisrael?!
I will say I totally disagree with Bush in that.It's not the U.S.'s land to barter with etc...If you think Kerry want do more than that, sorry...but his record speaks to itself.We all know the U.N. is biased against Yisrael, and Kerry imho would be a lap dog to them!




(ILY)Bush has tried to stop this practice.

(Shimshon)it's real easy to say your against something when you have no ability to change it..i.e congress&lobbyists

Please show some facts there! Bush approved of the bill, Kerry voted no!It was close but the Congress once again, halts anything moralistic.They will continue to do so until we the people put heat on them and vote this scum out of office!

(ILY)About throwing out the Leaven and becoming Kadosh;

(Shimshon)Yet you will stand up for a person who desires to divide G-d's land? is that kadosh?

The key word is G_d's land! No one will divide His land without Him letting it happen!According to Ezekiel 38 I don't think it's going to happen.Me thinks Gog and his hordes are going down hard!

Either way IMHO, Yisrael is not our land to give or divide!There can be no peace while they teach their children to hate Jews, and strive to kill them!We agree on that, but I don't see Kerry making a tough stance for Yisrael!What do you think "Global test" means?

(ILY)Ha'Shem allowed man to rule himself, and ceratinly man is not perfect and cannot rule perfectly, but we the people that are saying we believe in Him and His words, but sit idle while His words are rejected in our courts, particularly Sen. Kerry's state of Mass.They have tried to rewrite the constitution there, and allow all manner of abominations to come about from the stench on the bench!So what do you call Leaven?

That which is not "kadosh". As I stated..BOTH are proven to be full of leaven. Yes but you repeatedly defended Kerry, who supports the murder of our most innocents... babies!! and a whole lot more unspeakable things.


(ILY)We are to pay attention to issues of morality and see who has supported things in that area, and Kerry has failed repeatedly.Bush is not perfect but he has shown that he believes in the value of life, particularly to the most innocent one's who cannot speak for themselves!

(Shimshon)I knew many "good witches" that have shown they believe in the value of life. What kind of response is that?! Then they are better than Kerry, who has not voted the same!

(ILY)Until Yeshua returns, we should try to uplift moral values,

Yes, we are a light shining in a dark and crooked world.

and not let them steal our rights to worship G_d from under us, and that's just what some of them want to do!

(Shimshon)Do you believe things are going to get worse before they get better? do you think the sun is up? The darkest hour is yet to come. Our strength is in Yeshua. Not the world.

Things will probably get worse before they get better, particularly if believers don't stand up and make their voices heard.Look certainly things look bleak at best, but people throughout time have thought the end was near, I can only imagine what people thought during WWII etc...but even if it *seems* the Due time, we are not to sit on our laurels and be complacent.We have to deal with the issues around us.Yes our strength is Yeshua and not the world, but we live in the world, and in a country that has freedoms, and we should not turn from Yeshua's teachings and watch as things get worse.We have to seek His guidance, and not let our personal bias get in the way!

He said what would happen to those who harm children, and I view it as our responsibility to try to stop this carnage!What do you think He would say?!

(ILY)Will we help or hender them?!The writing is in the Books, and we are either for Him and His Words/Laws, or we are against them!

(Shimshon)Do you think that it is possible that by voting for Bush you could be going against the will of G-d because he desires to speed things up?....it's just a thought.

No offense, but right back to you!
What are you asking achi?If He wants to speed things up, He will!! He gave us Torah, and Yeshua lived it, we know what is right, and what is not!So when people like Kerry and his ilk, allow partial birth abortions IMHO He no doubt has nor reguard fo life!
Wouldn't you agree Yeshua wants us to speak up for the innocent lives!The same reguarding issues around Lev 18:22 and many many more etc...


(ILY)I think we have a responsibility to our children and grandchildren to stand up and make our voices known for Yeshua

(Shimshon)Is this not done by our being Kadosh living witnesses of the testimony. Living it out instead of merely talking about it.
IMHO living it out would also include not supporting people who have attacked His words/Law etc...Please show from Kerrys voting record where he has supported anything moralistic.Again I point you to the Justices in Massacheussets.I'll post some info. on the later.

(ILY)The enemy is within and we either sit back and say what should be done, and do nothing, or we get active and be the salt of the earth

(Shimshon)O.k. I've got a non Torah observant, abortion legislating, muslim pandering, democratic tax spender. And a non Torah observant, money power lusting, arab conspiring oil tycone, who desires to coherse Yisrael to give the terroists he has vowed to fight G-d's very own land. And I'm supposed to .....choose the better of two evils? obsurd.

Sounds like your first post on this was a defense of Kerry!The things you say of Bush reguarding Yisrael are things that haven't happened! 9-11 changed alot of things!"Money power lusting" etc...For the record, Kerry and his ilk, go on about the tax break "only effecting the upper etchelon" etc...I am not one making the $200,000.00 Kerry says "only" got it! I got relief because I am married with children.

What would you have us believe Kerry is some poor person!
We have to look at what each has done thus far, anything else is speculation!

How has Kerry showed himself from his record to even acknoweldge the Torah?Bush has by the things he has supported!

Off topic question Shimshon, as I am trying to learn Hebrew better, what does your avatar mean? Thanks :wave:

Shabbat shalom :bow:

May we seize the Day to do His Will above our own.

ILY

[Talmid HaYarok]

Bush has had 4 years and to me it has all been a disaster. Economy, Foreign Relations, Security, Morality, Abortion, etc.

The last two years Republicans have had a majority in the Presidency (duh), Senate, House, and Supreme Court... so where is the big abortion repeal we get for voting Republican and surrendering every other issue?

I remember the "road map" and Bushes leaning toward Arafat and then leaning toward Sharon. Who is he closer friends with? the Sharon family or the Sa'ud family? is our dependence increased or decreased on arab oil? In no way can I reelect this person.

I've not seen Bush be honest about Iraq, about the 9/11 commission, about his service in the national guard, about Bin Laden, about Saudi connections, or really about much.

Yeah, there are a lot of things said about Kerry. but Bush needs to go and I'm willing to give Kerry a chance, and then in 4 years unelect him. Then maybe in 4 years I can get some I feel good about voting for, rather than a successor of the abyssmal Bush or Kerry policies.

[Shimshon]

(ILY)Well congratulations(Mazal Tov/Kol Hakavod)

Is that your first?


(Shimshon)Todah Rabba :) no it's my third blessing of this proportion :blush:


(ILY)as you said iyho.How did Reagan gain monitarliy from attacking Khadaffi?

(Shimshon)By stoking up the war machine (you remember the cold war?). Military might always means dollars for the special interests. Does the term "Haliburton" ring a bell? Or "McDonald Douglas...Boeing.....and the list of military benifactors goes on.

(ILY)So you think Carter's motives were pure?

(Shimshon)I said "seemed" Point being I saw Carter as truly attempting to bring "peace" not just peace at any cost, or even more, peace at a cost I can profit from. But hey, he probably was the one of the first players in this modern day passion play. Needless to say, I was not endorsing Carters ways..only a "seemingly" genuine desire for true peace...not just a "deal". And for the record, i'm neither Dem nor Rep. I thought Carter was a peanut farming goof.

(ILY) So there again you defend Kerry!

(Shimshon)o.k. this confuses me. :scratch: What part of "Both are an abomination" don't you understand?

I was refering to how Kerry refers to the "muslims" not "arabs". Very telling of his view about "world" religion. He seems to embrace an "ecuminical" standpoint. A "we all worship the same G-d" type of thinking. The issue on it's face is an "arab refuge" issue. The underlying root of the issue is religous. Again, in true worldly fashion he seems to want to address the "muslim" issue rather than the "refuge" issue. But again, I have to ask. How is this "defending" Kerry? I do not beleive in treating this issue the way he does at all.

(ILY)Look the land is the Ha'Shems, Who gave it to the Jews we all agree there, but if and only if, He decides the Jews are not to keep the land, then history tells they want!Scripture tells us they aren't going anywhere Bush has made it clear, he want negotiate with Arafat, or anyone who is not real about peace, so what are the chances of that land being given to the enemies of Yisrael?!
I will say I totally disagree with Bush in that.It's not the U.S.'s land to barter with etc...If you think Kerry want do more than that, sorry...but his record speaks to itself.We all know the U.N. is biased against Yisrael, and Kerry imho would be a lap dog to them!


(Shimshon)Again I say, BOTH are a deterent to TRUTH and PEACE.

(ILY)Please show some facts there! Bush approved of the bill, Kerry voted no!It was close but the Congress once again, halts anything moralistic.They will continue to do so until we the people put heat on them and vote this scum out of office!


(Shimshon)Again confusing. I stated the same as you. That the congress halts anything they don't agree with, doing not what the voters want but what they want. i.e. have no ability to change it..i.e congress&lobbyists

(ILY)Yes but you repeatedly defended Kerry,

(Shimshon)???? :scratch: Show me one post where I "defended" Kerry.


(ILY) who supports the murder of our most innocents... babies!! and a whole lot more unspeakable things.

(ILY)What kind of response is that?! Then they are better than Kerry, who has not voted the same!


(Shimshon)You claim morality for Bush over Kerry because of is stance on abortion ....I say even a witch knows and displays "morality" at times. All be it in ignorance to the Truth.
(ILY)Things will probably get worse before they get better, particularly if believers don't stand up and make their voices heard.Look certainly things look bleak at best, but people throughout time have thought the end was near, I can only imagine what people thought during WWII etc...but even if it *seems* the Due time, we are not to sit on our laurels and be complacent.We have to deal with the issues around us.

(Shimshon)So should Messianics have stayed along the side of the followers of Bar Kochba? Do you think if more Messianics remained faithful to his movement Rome would not have conqured? We are to follow Torah. No more no less. THIS is what is required of us....not to be apart of this failing world system. Yes we should make it better for those around us if we can...but this place is coming down. And I for one don't want to be caught on the inside this time (Shimshon) ^_^

(ILY)Yes our strength is Yeshua and not the world, but we live in the world, and in a country that has freedoms, and we should not turn from Yeshua's teachings and watch as things get worse.We have to seek His guidance, and not let our personal bias get in the way!

(Shimshon)ILY, in all humility I say, you seem to present a bias toward Bush. I however in now way intended bias to either Bush nor Kerry. So again my confusion in your taking my stance in that way.


(ILY)He said what would happen to those who harm children, and I view it as our responsibility to try to stop this carnage!What do you think He would say?!

(Shimshon)I believe he says "hold fast to my mitzvot. Not wandering to the left nor the right but remain steadfast in my will. That his ways are not the worlds...and the world is no friend at all to us. We live in Yeshua's Kingdom. An everlasting kingdom in the midsts of a perishing one. We stand for TRUTH..not partisan party lines...or even bi-partisan lines. But, Yeshua Echad. And if non are following truth. why would I align myself with the one who is deviating the least from it? I would not align myself with ANY defiation of Torah.

(ILY)IMHO living it out would also include not supporting people who have attacked His words/Law etc

(Shimshon)IMHO this worlds system is not supporting "His words/laws" and to align yourself within them means to just that. aligning yourself with those who do not support Torah. (Yes I am quickly more and more thinking of other places to live)


(ILY)..Please show from Kerrys voting record where he has supported anything moralistic.Again I point you to the Justices in Massacheussets.I'll post some info. on the later.

(ILY)Sounds like your first post on this was a defense of Kerry!

(Shimshon)Is my actual stance begining to be revealed to you?

(ILY)The things you say of Bush reguarding Yisrael are things that haven't happened!

(Shimshon) Todah Rabba.....G-d!


(ILY) 9-11 changed alot of things!"Money power lusting" etc..

(Shimshon)And why can you not identify these atributes in the Bush administration?

(ILY).For the record, Kerry and his ilk, go on about the tax break "only effecting the upper etchelon" etc...I am not one making the $200,000.00 Kerry says "only" got it! I got relief because I am married with children.

What would you have us believe Kerry is some poor person!

(Shimshon)No, just another skull and cross bones member. Same as Bush.

(ILY)We have to look at what each has done thus far, anything else is speculation!

(Shimshon)Bush has promoted and pushed to date a division of Yisrael. We can thank G-d that it has not happend.

(ILY)How has Kerry showed himself from his record to even acknoweldge the Torah?Bush has by the things he has supported!

(Shimshon)He does not support a Yisrael as defined by Torah....he opposes it for a Yisrael / Palestine (terrorist state). Just because this has not happened yet does not negate the fact that this administration PUSHES for it too.


(ILY)Off topic question Shimshon, as I am trying to learn Hebrew better, what does your avatar mean? Thanks

(Shimshon)Avatar? do you mean Atarah? Atarah means "Crown" and is also what we call the neckband on our tallis.

(Shimshon) ILY,
The whole point of my entering this post was to stand up for NOT railing someone merely because a known enemy likes one of our candidates over the other. It had nothing to do with Kerry "endorsing" Arafat...but Arafat endorsing the "friend of his enemy"...sound familiar? it's a "muslim" way of behaving. But, when people used this article for foder against Kerry. I had to call a spade a spade...even if it was a spade they were talking about...lol oy.

[Shimshon]

Off topic question Shimshon, as I am trying to learn Hebrew better, what does your avatar mean? Thanks :wave:


Good heavens ILY..lol I got so wraped up in this post that I misunderstood this question. lol I says Yeshua :D Yud Shin Vav Ayin Y'SHUA:bow:

[ILY]

Shalom V' shalom Shimshon :wave:

Has little Yosef blessed you and yours with his presence yet?I have 2.1 boy (11) and 1 girl (10).We bat 1,000 and out.No more.I have 3 brothers, and we felt since we got 1 of each, no need to push it, with my mothers with for me to have several just like me!!! Only she meant so they would drive me crazy as I "alegedly" drove her crazy.lol

First, I had nearly forgotten about this thread.

I should say I apologize if it seemed as if I was attacking you, or calling you out.That wasn't my intent.

I should make it clear as well, I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat.I consider myself an Independent Conservative. ;) I refused to be tied to any party.I look more at the individual than party affiliation.I look at what types of things he's supported, and their effects on our society.I know we will be accountable as a nation as to what we did to attempt to halt abominations, and things of that sort.We all know things are getting bad in this world, and many countries especially in Europe have become so liberal that some countries have as far as to pass laws etc...condeming preaching etc...via radio or other venues against certain abominations.

Sadly in the U.S. some of our Justices have tried to make laws rather than interpret them as they are supposed to do.

Even more sad, and imho downright going completley against their sworn duty to uphold the constitution of the U.S.A., a certain Justice from Kerry's home state, has used European/Canadian law to try leaglize sodomy etc...

Here's a link where some info. can be found.
http://www.family.org/

http://www.family.org/cforum/judicial_tyranny/

http://www.family.org/cforum/judicial_tyranny/faqs.cfm?pt=tc#1

Also here's a speech Dr Dobson did in Alabama reguarding some of these Judicial decisions.

http://family.org/fmedia/misc/a0027564.cfm

The reason I am heavily for Bush (even though my Union is pushing Kerry) is because the Justices Kerry has and would support would be more like Kennedy in his home state, and those types of rulings, which some refer to as "stench from the bench" are where alot of problems originate!

Here's a quote about partial birth abortion, and I do believe we as a nation better stand yp against this, and now!!!
In 2000, the Supreme Court struck down Nebraska’s law that would have banned partial-birth abortion. Thus, full-term healthy babies are being delivered except the top of their heads. They are kicking and squirming, fully brimming with life. Nevertheless, the physicians put a cannula or a tube into the back of the head and suck the child’s brains out. How outrageous it is that the Supreme Court ruled that it is unconstitutional to stop the killing of those babies.

There again, Bush nor the Justices he endorses support this horror, and IMHO neither should we endorse anyone who does.

Shimshon, at first I didn't know what you meant by throw out the leaven, I thought you were saying Bush is the Leaven and Kerry is Kadosh.I think that was the centre of the disagreement. :scratch:

I said it before, I'll say it again.I am against a Palestinian state, and I oppose that.Bush has said he is for it, but only with someone who is truley seeking peace with the Jews etc...Well sorry but even if one guy/gal stands out among them as peaceful, you can't overnight change years and years of hatred taught at birth, and passsed from generation to generation.Even taught to children in Kindergarten to sing as one achi I know who grew up there says he was taught to sing "Arabs are beloved, and Jews are our dogs, or Jews are dogs"! Pretty disgusting stuff to teach children.

The problem is Kerry will not listen to Christians etc... if they pressure him about not trying to make a Palestinian state, and I feel we can pressure Bush in that reguards.Either way, I pray G_d's Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven!

I have gone on enough and it's too late to continue at this point, maybe I'll get into more tomm. if necessary.

I don't remember who posted right before your last response, but if anyone thinks just voting Kerry in, and if he does "bad" we'll just vote him out next time, that's your right, but remember all the innocent babies we are accountable for, and who supports their demise, no matter what phrase is used to spin what happens to them, they are still murdered!So within 4 yrs. more Canadian laws/European laws could be rammed down our throats here by these Tyrannical Justices, who have no concern for the "will of the people" and especially no concern for the "Will of G_D!


That's just my humble opinion :bow:

Bless you all in His Holy Name :pray:

YbiY

ILY

[Talmid HaYarok]

Don't know why Arafat would endorse Kerry. Bush seems to have waffled much more on that area.

I've also no doubt about which candidate the terrorists of the Saudi Arabian royalty are going to support. Saudi Arabia even lowered the oil prices for the summer month to help Bush in a giant unregulated subsidy of his election. Expect them to go up a lot this winter now.

Bush might not flip-fop on the road map, but I don't think blind-adherence to a failed plan is a good idea either. A real improvement in U.S. relations and policy towards Israel will probably wait till we have a new choice in presidential candidate. In the meanwhile I'd rather not give the current administration a passing grade.

[ILY]

Talmid HaYarok,

Shalom V' shalom

I pray all is well with you and yours :prayer:

So you think the brutual horrendous act of partial birth abortions are something the Torah supports?! Kerry does Bush does not!Unless I can prove a thing, I don't put my self into the position and pass off as factional something about someone Bush or Kerry that would have me *possibly* bearing false witness!Seems the issue of these precious innocent little lives are being over looked!

I have heard the gossip of Saudia connection, but it is false witness unless substantial proof can be given.As far as that goes wouldn't Saudia Arabia be part of Kerry's "global test"?

We have recently hear d Osama's tape which sounds like a Kerry endorsment to me, and if anyone feels confident in supporting someone who will kow tow to the U.N. that's your right.I want no part of that.

Kerry's the wrong man wrong time IMHO.

Here's a link of interest:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41201

All one has to do is look at Kerry's record of voting to see he was fully against the ban on partial birth abortions, and have the abomination of Lev. 18:22.

I am pressed for time at the moment but I will adress the post when I get back.

Shalom

ILY