Vaccinations

[ShirChadash]

Shalom

What does Judaism say about vaccinations? Do Jews commonly have concerns and avoid some or all of the routine vaccinations, many of which are cultured in filthy substances, some of which use aborted fetal tissue, some of which have far more mercury than seafoods pregnant women are warned to avoid due to the high mercury contamination (and I assume those seafoods are -- many of them -- unkosher)? Just curious.

Todah

[visionary]

I am curious too...would love to see what decisions and opinions are on the subject.

[Nossa-the-Lame]

The idea behind vaccinations is not a bad thing, I would assume its oky doky in the torah. Its just what they use to give the vaccination, or the methods used to get it. So vaccines used from aborted tissues is not good, also vaccines with non-kosher products is a no no! So yeah, I would say if its kosher, go ahead and get it, but its not, then find an alternative.

[ShirChadash]

Actually, when one considers the frankly undeniable (by those who don't have a hand in the pot, despite the protests of those who do have a hand in the pot) link between various vaccines and the rise in autism, multiple sclerosis, juvenile lukemia, and a host of other chronic ailments and diseases... and when one looks into the issue of what is *in* vaccinations AND how they are cultured... one can easily see many reasons why one might choose not to receive them. G-d created our bodies to develop immunity to the diseases we encounter and very few people are truly in need of most of the various vaccinations (indeed, some are in need of some).

It is widely known (though not often admitted) in medical circles that debilitating and deadly diseases were on the decrease in this country and elsewhere once better hygeine practices became the norm and even before popular vaccines were introduced, the incidences of many of those diseases, such as polio, were already sharply declining. I am also aware that in many pagan third-world countries, their very pagan practices and self-serving governments keep them from having the clean living-conditions and good-nutrition needed to increase the health of their people. Vaccines may simply be a panacea, but in that case I am not saying they are unwarranted.

And the process of vaccination entirely bypasses the natural, G-d-given defenses the body has to protect against nearly all types of substances that one is vaccinating against -- most types of illness against which one vaccinates are illnesses that enter the body through mucous membranes/respiratory system, but vaccinations are often (not always -- often) injected directly into the bloodstream, giving it direct access to our vital organs and every area of our bodies... the genetic makeup of the virus attaches itself to our very DNA and replicates itself becoming a part of our genetic "blueprint".

My Dh and I decided a long while ago that if we or our children (being in a relatively low-risk lifestyle and not travelling much ourselves) incur a debilitating or deadly disease in the course of everyday-living, then that's a G-d thing no different from a car-accident or other "happeneing"and He will see us through it. But at this point in life, we personally won't be allowing anyone to give vaccinations to our children that may be the very direct cause for them to incur a debilitating disease or damage any part of their bodies, which is happening all too often today and should at least be considered as part and parcel of the rise in a great many ailments as well as behavioral problems among children. However, our children feel a strong call to missions as well and we have told them that when they are of an age to read and consider the data, and determine for themselves whether they want to receive vaccinations, they may do so if they choose to. We are teaching them the type of foods one can eat to boost immunity -- and which foods compromise their immunity and their bodies' ability to fight disease. We are equipping them to make wise choices in living, and our three younger children who have not been vaccinated, handle the (rare) colds and flus we manage to get far better than my elder three who were fully vaccinated through age 5 or so.

There is validity to be found on both sides of the fence on this, though usually people entrenched on either side cannot admit that about the other. I wasn't intending to get into debate about vaccinations -- I am asking if anyone knows whether this is an issue in Jewish communities or whether, like most people, folks just happily believe they should go along with the norm. Are those who are more likely to live according to kosher standards also more concerned over vaccinations as well? I would expect that, like other things people have mentioned, perhaps the Orthodox would be more concerned and those who are nominal Jews (who might be less concerned with issues of kosher) might have little-to-no uncommon concern as people go... but just speculating and curious, as I said.

[muffler dragon]

I am not for vaccinations. I have not had any since before college. My wife and I have decided that our daughter will not receive shots. I have researched the topic enough to come to a very informed decision on the matter. Considering the carrier agents are toxic enough in themselves, I feel at peace in not having them done. Besides, every time I got a flu shot, it made me sick.

One thing that people don't realize is that right around the time that people decided to give a rip about their hygiene (1950s and so) is when diseases started to go the way of the dodo. Coincidence? I don't think so.

m.d.

[muffler dragon]

I went to Germany and was not checked for vaccinations. At the time, there was a small polio scare going through.

If you (anyone reading) happens to do the research, then you will find a number of interesting things.

Such as: transmittance of diseases now comes more from freshly vaccinated children then those who are not, the majority of childhood diseases (if contracted when young) can actually help with natural defenses against diseases at a later age.

[Nossa-the-Lame]

I am not sure how many vaccinations I have gotten, I know I got the tetenus shot, and maybe some when I was a kid. I couldn't recieve many because they gave them in certain products I was alergic too, now its a little late to recieve them, nor would I really. I am allowed to get the flu vaccine every winter, but I don't. And I haven;t gotten the flu in almst 10 years, I think, maybe even longer. For now, the best way to avoid disease/sickness is wash your hands! WAsh them before every meal, don't touch your face, stay away from anyone who sneezes/coughs or may be sick, no matter what the ailment! I know all about illness prevention, I mean I did at one point have to wear a medical mask when I had to leave my house!

[muffler dragon]

Good pieces of advice. I will keep it in mind.

Another thing to point out is this: should my daughter desire to do anything that is structured around the necessity of having shots; then that is her consideration to deal with. Naturally, I am thinking once she is an intelligent adult that can think for her own. However, in the interim, my daughter's best interests are in mind (as they are for any child). Alayna was born naturally, and yes, this was my wife's idea just as much as mine. She has not had shots and she is growing like a weed. She gets illnesses, but nothing life threatening. Now, that she is 2 1/2 her immune system is quite strong.

My wife is 23. She has never had chicken pox, even though she was exposed many times on purpose by her parents. I just think that the body is naturally made to be repellent to certain things. For those that we do contract, if it isn't life-threatening; it can only make the immune system stronger.

[ShirChadash]

Said it already and I'll say it again -- I am not saying there are never legitimate circumstances in which some might choose vaccination. If my children choose to go on missions' trips, they will have to have them by law -- I realize this, and they can make that choice when they are old enough to.

*hoping someone who knows the answer to my OP will come along and make this not a thread that is a debate about vaccinations*

[Sephania]

Found this, was like I thought, not injestable so.............



ARE VACCINATIONS KOSHER?







Question:

News reports say that Israel is considering giving smallpox vaccinations to all of its citizens. How can they do this when the smallpox vaccination contains rat blood, monkey brains, and human fetal tissue? Don’t they know that these things are treif?





Answer:

While we have not heard about a smallpox vaccine with rat blood in it, the vaccine does contain monkey kidney cells and human fetal tissue as stabilizers. These are both non-kosher. However, the smallpox vaccine is not taken orally. Rather it is an inoculation. There is no prohibition to use these specific non-kosher substances, so long as they are not eaten.



An interesting halachic opinion by Rabbi Chaim Ozer Grodzenski states that if a man is fed through a tube directly into his stomach, then he is allowed to be fed non-kosher foods[1]. Similarly, a diabetic can use insulin, even though it contains substances derived from pigs, since it is injected and not taken orally[2].



There is no prohibition in using medicines which contain forbidden ingredients if they are administered by injection, suppository, enema, medicated bandage, and the like, since they are not eaten.



However, if the medicated bandage contained milk and meat, then it would be prohibited, even if it is not administered orally, because substances containing milk and meat together are not only forbidden to be eaten, but a person is not to receive any enjoyment from them whatsoever[3]. For instance, one is not allowed to eat the flesh of a pig, but a Jew could make a football from its skin. However, a football made by compacting meat and milk would be prohibited.



Medicines containing ingredients that are prohibited to be eaten, that must be taken orally, should preferably be replaced with medicines comprised of permitted ingredients, as long as they are equally effective.



Of course, if a person’s life depends on receiving an oral medicine that contains non-kosher ingredients, he is certainly allowed to have it. Even if there is no danger to a person’s life, and a non-kosher medicine is prescribed, there are a few instances where its usage would be allowed. For instance, if the medicine has no nutritional value and is not considered fit for human consumption, nor for that of a dog, then it is allowed. Medicines in capsules or medicines which have a bitter taste are examples. Even if an otherwise bitter medicine is coated with sugar, this does not transform it into food and most halachic authorities consider these medicines unfit for a dog[4]. Also, if the forbidden ingredients were altered chemically, or if they have completely dried out, then the medicine is permitted, even if the patient’s life in not in danger[5].



Since capsules often contain gelatine made from non-kosher ingredients, some halachic authorities prohibit their use. Other authorities permit them[6]. If it is possible to obtain the same medicine, not in capsule form, then it is advisable to obtain it.





It is important to point out the deeper moral aspect of these questions. Once a mother brought her son to the famed Rabbi Akiva Eiger. She complained that the boy wasn’t able to comprehend the Talmudic discussions known as the Tosefot. The rabbi asked if the boy had ever eaten anything not kosher, explaining that non-kosher foods contaminate the brain and damage intellectual reasoning.



May the New Year bring health to all people as it says in the Prophets, “Then the eyes of the blind will be opened, and the ears of the deaf will hear; then the lame will leap like a ram, and the tongue of the deaf will sing”[7].





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1. Responsa, Achiezer, Vol. 3:61.

2. Encyclopedia of Medicine and Jewish Law, Vol. 3, Pg. 271, edited by Dr. Avraham Steinberg.

3. See Pesachim 24B.

4. Shmirat Shabbat K’ Hilchata, Pg. 460.

5. Responsa, Tzitz Eliezer, Vol 6:16.

6. Ibid, Vol. 10:25, sub-section 2.

7. Isaiah, 35:6.

[Sephania]

This is also interesting

Certainly, vaccinations are not Kosher (Leviticus). Some Catholic leaders in the US are finally supportive of Catholics opposed to vaccines including those containing aborted human fetuses. [See the Catholic religious exemption letter at: www.cogforlife.org] There are also clear Biblical proscriptions against mixing animal and human blood (Ezekiel). Lastly, many Buddhists and Hindus do not eat meat. When an animal is slaughtered for food, the pain and suffering and fright experienced by the animal remain in the meat in the form of negative energy. Many religious groups find it undesirable to take this kind of energy into the body. Therefore, the animal parts from a tortured animal would be that much worse. In the case of vaccinations, we are not just eating the meat we are injecting it directly into the bloodstream.

[ShirChadash]

I was not debating... I was having an intellectual discussion with fellow Messianics.
I just have a different viewpoint and I very much enjoy engaging in civil discussion with others who see things differently. It helps me learn more.

I hope you can respect my opinions as I respect all of yours.

Nope, just saying I hope it doesn't turn into a hot thread before someone can come and answer the OP -- I've seen vacc threads go very, very badly on numerous online boards and then get dumped into the trash without the OP answered, whatever it might have been. Hoping to get an answer... besides curiousity, it is important to me personally. Also if you read my posts I think it should be clear I do respect others' opinions on this and don't expect anyone to hold mine.

[Sephania]

So I wonder which ones have which "ingredients".
I know nothing of any vaccines that contain aborted fetuses...
And are there truly vaccines with animal blood in them?
This is all news to me! Apparently ( see my post above from an Ask the Rabbi site , sorry about it not posting before:blush: ). This is all news to me as well, Goes to show though, how we depend on science and put so much faith in it that we let them inject us with unknown stuff because 'they' say we need it and it's good for us. Makes you wonder how that same cattle mentality will do many in, in the future one world to come. :eek:

[ShirChadash]

Some links:

http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ingredients1.html

Hepatitis vaccines, Measles/mumps/rubella, and others often use aborted fetal cells in the culturing.

I don't have many links anymore, but lots come up right away on google.

Here's one I have read before:

http://www.thinktwice.com/


And from one of the sites Zayit linked:

http://www.cogforlife.org/

[muffler dragon]

http://www.cdc.gov/

That may be of help as well.
I have to admit, I find the CDC some what biased. But that is simply my opinion.

[Katydid]

From what I have read, the increase in autism is due to the mercury in the vaccines. They have not put mercury in vaccines for children since 1999. I just read that somewhere so don't quote me. Anyway, we don't have much choice but to vaccinate. I mean we could choose not to, for the kids, and myself, but my husband has no choice. And of course that opens up problems. If he gets vaccinated for something then we need to be protected as well, considering he is bringing that into the house. As someone else said, the spread starts partially due to vaccinated people. Now my husband lucked out of the small pox vaccine because I was pregnant and then because our daughter was under 1. They can't let you get it if you have a pregnant woman or infant living in the household. The scary thing about that one, is that if someone touches the site of the vaccine, then they can actually contract smallpox. Now to me that is really scary.

[ShirChadash]

From what I have read, the increase in autism is due to the mercury in the vaccines. They have not put mercury in vaccines for children since 1999. I just read that somewhere so don't quote me.

I'm gonna quote you anyway (cuz you know I love ya ;) :P ^_^ )

But anyway, I wanted to let you know that, while that is true that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) directed the vaccine manufacturers to take mercury out of all childhood vaccines, there was no mandate that the existing vaccines which contain mercury be destroyed rather than given out, and it was only a "recommendation" which could be (and apparently some companies have) ignored. There are still some vaccines with mercury being administered to this day, if I recall correctly. And vaccines for adults have no such recommendation, I believe. The flu vaccines can have anywhere from a trace of mercury, about 0.3 microgram of mercury, up to 25 micrograms of mercury (which would be about 80 times more mercury then those with trace amounts). These amounts of mercury are many times higher than the mercury in fish that pregnant women are counselled to avoid due to the risks to their unborn child.

But, also wanted to say I realize that in the military there isn't really any other option given. We've BTDT to small degree ourselves.

[Katydid]

Thanks for that input, I wonder if there is anyway to find out which batches have mercury and which don't. That would be a good thing. Of course, it's not like the Army is going to tell me which batch they have. But, it would be nice.

[ShirChadash]

Thanks for that input, I wonder if there is anyway to find out which batches have mercury and which don't. That would be a good thing. Of course, it's not like the Army is going to tell me which batch they have. But, it would be nice.

I'm sure you can ask for no-added-mercury vaccines... Seems to me that certain of the companies make them and others don't... :scratch: off to google...

:confused:

Erm, well, I would definitely ask, and read your consent forms before signing them so you can know... there might also be measures you can take to ensure that your children react minimally, Kat -- definitely follow the conventional wisdom and don't vax when they are already sniffling or showing any signs of illness, make sure their nutrition is good (refined sugar and flours, lots of sweets, refined foods in general really, are all known to compromise immunity for a time).

Read up on every single vaccine they are going to be getting and even though it means a lot more trips to the doctor for you (and they may give you guff about it, too, but you have to remember it's your and your child's lifelong issue -- not the doctors') try to get them to give only one vaccine to your child at a time, rather than multiples in one visit. Spacing the vax's out gives your child time to fight each one and get over the compromise to his immune system before getting hit with another weak or dead-virus vax.

Just my .62 :)

[Katydid]

I heard about that. I heard that you can request a different schedule for your child to be put on. You go in, something like, every two months for two years, and they end up with all of them, but spaced out a bit. I thought about that, but for some reason, I get scared to talk about things with these docs. And, don't tell her I said this, but the vaccination nurse at our clinic is mean. I mean very very mean. I saw her training a new guy to take over the job and she was berating him. She scares me.

[visionary]

Ever wonder what happened to the famous young man who was the guinea pig that started the vaccination rage.
James Phipps, the eight-year-old boy initially vaccinated by Jenner in 1796, was revaccinated 20 times, and died at the age of twenty. Jenner's own son, who was also vaccinated more than once, died at twenty-one. Both succumbed to tuberculosis, a condition that some researchers have linked to the smallpox vaccine.

[By Grace]

Okay, I'm not even letting myself read these links. I'm afraid that if I become convinced that my daughters shouldn't get vaccinations, that will be one more thing for my DH and I to go head-to-head on. It took a great deal of convincing just to get him to let me serve lentils for dinner tonight (I'm trying out options to replace some of the meat we eat), and even then he smothered his two bites in ketchup.

I wonder how he'll feel when I decide I want to move onto a farm and raise our own food. ;)

[ShirChadash]

Just a note -- the CDC and the WHO are by no means unbiased in any way, shape or form, nor are they good sources of vaccine disclosure information.

The WHO was caught in an anti-pregnancy vaccination (without permission of the third-world girls and women of childbearing age only, who received the course of vaccinations) scandal about a year and a half ago... maybe two years, I forget just now. At any rate, when I first read of this, the specific articles I read showed unequivocally that a couple of major vaccine suppliers (under the auspices of the WHO, I believe it was) had tested a tetanus shot on women in a few very underpriviledged countries, in which the tetanus was carried with hCG (human Chorionic Gonadotropin, the hormone a woman's body excretes when she conceives). These women were never notified nor did they give consent. At the end of the aggressive course of shots (I think it was five shots in just over a year's stime), the women's bodies were fully immune to the hCG their bodies would produce and they simply cannot carry any pregnancy they conceive, as hCG is vital to a woman remaining pregnant in the earliest weeks of pregnancy.

At first, the WHO and CDC both denied reports of this, apparently, but by the time I read about it, the evidence was out, and they had pulled the vaccine and were simply doing damage control by then if I remember rightly.

Ironically, right after I first read about this, I also read on the CDC site an article bemoaning the way the CDC was encountering weak participation in a third-world nation (an African nation, as I recall) that had been targetted for a program of whichever vaccinations -- and all because the people suspected and feared that there was some sort of anti-pregnancy vaccinating/secret testing being done as well, and where on earth would these crazy people get such a backward notion, anyway(?), the article seemed to question.

Little wonder.

[Nossa-the-Lame]

Man, this is all crazy....what to do what to do??? Well, if and when I become a Doctor, I will try to see if there is anything I can do for making vaccinations "better." But I am sure there are thousands allready trying to do so, but one more can't hurt ;) Personally, I think vaccinations are great, but I think the ingrediants need to be changed. I always thought being vaccinated was getting a shot with a very VERY small ammount of the virus you were tyring to become immune to, so in a sense you were being exposed, just to a minute ammount. *shrugs* oh well.

[ShirChadash]

More links:

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/health/vaccination.htm
has good explanations and makes clear the nature of the toxic ingredients in vaccines, appears to promote self-responsibility and education (haven';t read the whole page -- there's lots there and many links)

http://www.vaclib.org/toc.htm

http://www.vaclib.org/news/news2001.htm

http://www.illinoisrighttolife.org/vaccines.htm


And I have a couple specifically related to the anti-pregnancy vaccinating:

http://www.vaclib.org/news/pregvac.htm

http://www.nigeriansinamerica.com/vbulletin/archive/index.php/t-392.html
interesting forum thread.


A very worthwhile download for anyone who wants to know the truth about vaccines on the global scene, compiled by World Community Autism Program, South Africa -- a not-for-profit org):

www.saras-autism-diet.freeservers.com/Literature/vaccinefile.doc

An interesting thread, to say the least:

http://www.paktribune.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2237&st=0&#entry38905


From Canadian Coalition for Health Freedom, but I had to use a Google cache to get it (this portion is roughly half-way through the article):

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:u8QKyEwd7z8J:www.canadiancoalitionforhealthfreedom.ca/print.php%3Fsid%3D535+anti-pregnancy+vaccine+WHO+CDC&hl=en&client=firefox-a

TETANUS/STERILITY VACCINE

James Miller, a correspondent for Human Life International, brings us the following report on an equally inhumane, equally covert attempt at human population control, this time carried out in Tanzania, Nigeria, Nicaragua, Mexico and the Philippines. Quite shockingly, this particular campaign was creatively disguised as a ‘deeply caring’ World Health Organisation tetanus vaccination campaign.

During the early 1990’s, the World Health Organization conducted an extensive vaccination campaign against tetanus in a number of countries. In October 1994, Human Life International became suspicious of the campaign protocols. They obtained several phials of the vaccine and had them analysed by chemists. Some of the phials were found to contain human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG), a naturally occurring hormone essential for maintaining a pregnancy.

When introduced into the body, coupled with a tetanus toxoid carrier, antibodies are formed not only against tetanus but also against hCG. In this case the body fails to recognize hCG as a friend and will produce anti-hCG antibodies. The antibodies will attack subsequent pregnancies by killing the hCG which naturally sustains a pregnancy. When a woman has sufficient anti-hCG antibodies in her system, she is rendered incapable of maintaining a pregnancy.

HLI reported the sketchy facts regarding the Mexican tetanus vaccines to its affiliates in more than 60 countries. Soon additional reports of vaccines laced with hCG hormone were received from the Philippines, where more than 3.4 million women were recently vaccinated. Similar reports came from Nicaragua, which had conducted its own vaccination campaign in 1993.

“The Known Facts concerning the WHO tetanus vaccination campaigns in Tanzania, Nigeria, Mexico and the Philippines. Only women were vaccinated, and only women between the ages of 15 and 45. Why? Aren’t men at least as likely as young women to come into contact with tetanus? And what of the children? Why were they excluded?

Human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG) hormone was found in the vaccines. WHO has been actively involved for more than 20 years in the development of an anti-fertility vaccine utilizing hCG tied to tetanus toxoid as a carrier - the exact same coupling as has been found in these vaccines.” [33]

THE BIG BOYS

The population control agenda includes some very big boys indeed. Allied with the WHO in the development of this particular anti-fertility vaccine have been UNFPA, the United Nations Development Program (UNDP), the World Bank, the Population Council, and the Rockefeller Foundation. The US National Institute of Child Health and Human Development was the supplier of the hCG hormone in some of the vaccine experiments. [34]

[33] More than twenty articles, many written by WHO researchers, document WHO's attempts to create an anti-fertility vaccine utilising tetanus toxoid as a carrier. Some leading articles include: “Vaccines for Fertility Regulation," Chapter 11, pp.177-198, Research in Human Reproduction, Biennial Report (1986-1987), WHO Special Programme of Research, Development and Research Training in Human Reproduction (WHO, Geneva 1988). “Observations on the antigenicity and clinical effects of a candidate anti-pregnancy vaccine: B-sub unit of human chorionic gonadotrophin linked to tetanus toxoid," Fertility and Sterility, October 1980, pp.328-335

[34] Human Life International, www.hli.org, January 2000

[ShirChadash]

And it's a shame because I think the CDC are the ones who determine what one must have in order to travel to specific countries. And from my experience, there's no way around it... you don't get the vaccines, you don't go :help:


I know. :( I'm not judging you at all, Erin. Just trying to give info so people can know for themselves what goes on behind the "we have your best interests at heart" curtain. :sorry:

[Shimshon]

"we have your best interests at heart" curtain. :sorry:
There listening right now!!!! (with a fierce explosion I am ripped right out of my chair through the roof and disappear like Enoch and Eliyahu)


Reminded me of the movie "the forgotten" that just came out. That part was one I enjoyed. very suspensful but very disappointing on the whole. Was a newer remake of an X-files show. And the more I am drawn closer to G-d the less I appreciate sci-fi...(shruggs)..go figure.

[theseed]

What vaccines invovle aborted fetuses?

[ShirChadash]

What vaccines invovle aborted fetuses?

Seed, these links show some of the ones:

http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ingredients1.html

Whenever you see the phrase "Human Diploid Cells", it means the vaccine was cultured in aborted fetal tissue.

Hepatits vax's, the MMR (Measles Mumps Rubella), one of the rabies vax's listed, and the chickenpox vaccines have used aborted human cells as well as others. I don't think the above sites were exhaustive lists...

[theseed]

Seed, these links show some of the ones:

http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ingredients1.html

Whenever you see the phrase "Human Diploid Cells", it means the vaccine was cultured in aborted fetal tissue.

Hepatits vax's, the MMR (Measles Mumps Rubella), one of the rabies vax's listed, and the chickenpox vaccines have used aborted human cells as well as others. I don't think the above sites were exhaustive lists...


Clearwater, FL (LifeNews.com) -- Parents around the nation can now ensure that their children are protected against mumps and measles without having to resort to vaccines developed from cell lines taken from aborted babies. Children of God for Life, a group that monitors vaccines from the pro-life perspective, says that the pharmaceutical giant Merck has confirmed that single dose Attenuvax (Measles) and Mumpsvax (Mumps) are now available to family physicians. The vaccines represent a pro-life breakthrough, since they do not contain tissues from aborted unborn children. "Thousands of parents and physicians have been waiting nearly two years for Merck to provide their single dose measles and mumps vaccines that are made from chick embryo, not aborted fetal cell lines," said Debi Vinnedge, Executive Director of Children of God for Life. Merck is now taking limited orders for the Measles and Mumps vaccines-three boxes per physician, with each box holding ten doses.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat113.html (http://www.lifenews.com/nat113.html)


Here is a site that says there is a new MMR vaccine that does not come from aborted fetuses.

[visionary]

Orwell's Britain
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:30:37 +1000


A national database containing confidential details about every child
in Britain is to be set up by the New Labour government. An identifying
number will be assigned to each child so that the authorities can
access their records. The prophecy of George Orwell has come true not
in 1984 but in 2004.

Details of the shock proposals - affecting all 13.5m children in
Britain under the age of 18 - are contained in cabinet papers leaked to
various papers at the weekend.

All parents will receive letters from the government informing them of
the plan, which will be added to the Children's Bill in the autumn.

Drug testing

The central electronic register will hold information on a child's
school achievements, GP and hospital visits, police and social services
records and home address and other as yet undecided information. Along
with these proposals there are also plans in place for the government
to vaccinate all children with new designer drugs that prevent them
getting drug addiction as adults. But this is new technology that has
no testing or track record of safe use. The fact that our government
are about to use our children as guinea pigs for new untested drugs and
Big-Brother monitoring laws shows how far the Labour government has
descended into tyranny.

The information database will also include information on their
families, such as whether parents are divorced or separated and will
probably include details on their parents' known political opinions and
affiliations. It is current practice that children while at school that
are reported for making the most innocuous of so called 'racist'
comments by a NUT extremist teacher are logged on secret files held by
the headteacher and stored in the Local Education Authority offices.
This file is held on the child until they are 24 years old. If the
school refuses to undertake the reporting procedure, as enacted under
the findings of the McPherson report, then the CRE can refuse to issue
them school funds held under control by the CRE. Even though no law has
been passed to legitimise this system of Gestapo like secret reporting
of children, the government has been using it for at least five years.

Sins of the parents

The planned database will also be designed to identify problem
relatives, including aunts and uncles who have a history of alcoholism
or drug misuse. It will be filed under each child's "unique identifying
number". The sins of the parents then become the sins of the children.
The original sin of being born poor, white and working class in a
shattered mining or steel community will now form our part of the
state's control over our children. The secret decision to create a
"universal children's database" was approved by the ministerial
committee on children, young people and families, chaired by Charles
Clarke, the education secretary, last month but kept confidential for
fear of a public outcry.

The government believes that the move will help social services and
police to identify and protect children who are at risk of abuse or
neglect. Though of course the neglect of the state by destroying our
country and our communities that were once vibrant and proud working
communities now derelict and abandoned and that cause our children to
become drug addicts out of despair will not be addressed.
www.bnp.org.uk/news/2004_...july25.htm

Restricted minutes of the meeting reveal that ministers have privately
agreed to the national children's database, rejecting proposals for the
system to cover only those children thought to be at risk.

The minutes record: "Turning to the question of who the database should
cover, the minister for children, young people and families (Margaret
Hodge) said that all children should be included. This fitted with the
prevention agenda and reduced the risk of stigmatisation. Information
collected could also be used to support service planning and delivery."

Parents would not have access to the database but will be able to apply
to see details held on their children under the Data Protection Act.
Whether they will be able to change those details if they are wrong is
another matter.

Computer failures - human criminals

Ministers at the meeting, included Margaret Hodge, Paul Boateng, Lord
Filkin, Estelle Morris and Alun Michael, raised concerns about the
technical challenge of setting up the database. The government has been
hit by the failure of several new computer systems, including the Child
Support Agency, Inland Revenue and the Criminal Records Bureau. These
are the criminals that will one day face trial for this vile scheme.

The government has commissioned a feasibility study into the plans and
held negotiations with several companies including Experian, which runs
national credit-checking services. Perhaps someone should investigate
the financial links between Experian and donations made by its parent
company GUS PLC (owners of Burberry and Argos Retail) to the Labour
party election funds before Orwell's nightmare becomes New Labour
policy for children.

www.bnp.org.uk/news/2004_july/news_july25.htm

[visionary]

Do not think this is the way it will be as there are only some UK government ministers who are very eager to introduce an identity card system with extensive capabilities. This plan does not have universal support within the government party (labour) and has been called into serious question by the government body, the Information Commissioner - http://www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk/ - follow the link 'identity cards - our concerns'.

[By Grace]

bump for Ahavah :)

[Ahavah]

;) Todah Jill..I needed that.

[Shy21]

I only get shots because I travel to Africa alot and I go see my mother in Israel every summer. Other than that......I wouldnt get any shots. Just like that flu shot people had to get last year or the year before I didnt get that shot and I was ok but my 3 roommates got the shot and were very sick afterwards.

If you are living in the US and your immune system is good....you don't need shots. My brother lives in the US and he hasn't had any shots since he was in high school and he is 30 years old now.

I kinda feel kids need shots. Some kids have very bad immune systems. I feel it's the individual person's choice if they want to get a shot or not.

[visionary]

National Infant Immunization Week and Vaccination Week in the Americas have joined forces in effectively promoting their annual observance of vaccinations being an important cornerstone of public health. Throughout the western hemisphere, the festivities and honors will occur the week of April 24-30, 2005.

Due to the growing awareness of vaccine dangers and the devastation to countless families this ongoing medical experiment has caused, several organizations have joined forces in raising awareness of the many who are disabled or who have died as a result of these vaccination programs.

During this week, as public health departments celebrate the eradication of
several infectious diseases as the alleged result of their mass vaccination
programs, New Medical Awareness Seminars, The Autism Autoimmunity Project (TAAP), People Advocating Vaccine Education (PAVE), Vaccination Liberation (VacLib), and The Yurko Project have joined forces to educate the public about the known dangers of injecting such known carcinogens as mercury and formaldehyde coupled with pathogens cultured in genetic material of both human and animal origin directly into the developing immune systems of our infants and children.

Even the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has admitted through their “Autism Alarm” that one in six children now have a developmental or behavioral disorder and one in 166 children are currently diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder. What they fail to mention is the obvious cause of this nationwide epidemic: the dramatic rise in the number of vaccines the CDC now recommends, and many states require, for our developing children. To date, more than $1 billion has been paid out to families who have proven that their child suffers permanent disabilities or has died from a vaccine reaction through the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP). But what is most tragic is the fact that less than 10 percent of families who apply through VICP ever get compensated.

In 1990 the national Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) was set up as a national database where doctors and healthcare providers can report adverse reactions to vaccines. It is estimated that less than 10 percent of doctors report adverse reactions to vaccines to VAERS. Even with the small percentage of adverse reactions actually reported, the VAERS database speaks volumes of the relatively hidden epidemic of serious vaccine reactions, including permanent disabilities and death. The real tragedy is that there is no system in place to pull a “bad” batch of vaccine from the market. As a result, a batch of vaccine that may be severely contaminated will continue to be administered to our children.

The recent release of two important books - Vaccine A: The Covert Government Experiment That’s Killing Our Soldiers and Why GI’s Are Only The First Victims by Gary Matsumoto and Evidence of Harm: Mercury in Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic-A Medical Controversy by David Kirby – have given more than enough ammunition for parents to unite in collective outrage over current vaccine policy as dictated by the Advisory Committee on mmunization Practices (ACIP) at the CDC. Both Matsumoto and Kirby are award winning investigative journalists whose books shine a bright light on collusion and graft between the CDC, the Institutes of Medicine (IOM), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and pharmaceutical companies. What is most clear, and well-documented in these two books, is the lack of basic long-term safety studies performed on vaccines that are considered vital for public health and mandated in all 50 states.

April Oakes, the President of TAAP, an advocacy group for parents with children suffering from an autism spectrum disorder, knows first hand the anguish of parents who know the cause of their children’s suffering. “We want parents to realize they have options and the right to make an informed choice. No one knows our children better than we do and it’s time to be their voice. We do not have 50 years to find the answers; our children are in a race against time. This epidemic is due to an immune insult and it’s impossible to have a genetic epidemic. I wish someone would have shared truthful vaccine information with me before I chose to blindly hold my daughter Casi down while allowing her to be injected. Since Casi’s passing, our lives have not been the same. I thank God for giving me the strength to survive and speak the truth. Our message is for parents everywhere: Do not become a victim! Learn from our mistake and EDUCATE before you Vaccinate,” April Oakes states with pass! ion and conviction.

Parents nationwide are calling for a reassessment, and revamping of our
government’s current push for more and more vaccines for our most vulnerable: infants and young children. In the meantime, we will use whatever creative means at our disposal to alert the public of the true dangers inherent in all vaccines. As a result, National Infant Immunization Week has gained a new meaning for activists nationwide: "Vaccination Danger Awareness Week."

New Medical Awareness Seminars
7251 Engle Road, Ste. 250
Middleburg Heights, OH 44130
nmaseminars@aol.com
www.nmaseminars.com

The Yurko Project
P.O. Box 609575
Cleveland, OH 44109
FreeYurko@aol.com
www.freeyurko.bizland.com

P.A.V.E
P.O. BOX 36701
Charlotte, NC 28236
WeRPave@yahoo.com
www.vaccineeducation.com

T.A.A.P.
P.O.BOX 293144
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Truth@TAAP.info
www.TAAP.info

Vaccination Liberation
P.O. Box 457
Spirit Lake, ID 83869
888-249-1421
www.vaccinetruth.com

For an interview with the director of any of the above organizations, name and phone numbers follow:

New Medical Awareness Seminars president Dr. Sherri J. Tenpenny 440-239-1878

Yurko Project founder/director Alan Yurko 216-741-0011

TAAP director April Oakes 954-583-4860

PAVE director Lisa Jillani 704-567-0290

VacLib director Ingri Cassel 208-255-2307

[Mikhail]

Foetal Remains and a variant of Philmeldahide are just some of the nasties that are in todays Flu Vaccines :sick: :help:

How's that for a dirty trick of the enemy to put the remains of aborted babies into something and then get all the people to take it willingly talk about bringing God's judgement on youself and you did not even realise.

I was told of this by a lady who's elderly Mother had the vaccine last winter (9 Months ago) and this lady got the flu because of it, so her daughter went to the Chemist and got the list of ingredients, and that is what she found was in it along with a very long list of other ingredients.

I Suggest that everyone check the ingredients listing in do a thorough search on how the products are created etc.
Shalom,
Mikhail

[Ahavah]

National Infant Immunization Week and Vaccination Week in the Americas have joined forces in effectively promoting their annual observance of vaccinations being an important cornerstone of public health. Throughout the western hemisphere, the festivities and honors will occur the week of April 24-30, 2005.

Yeah..I jsut saw this on the news last night. They were saying..."GET your Child Immunized" . Yeah right..Like I'm going to make my New little girl a guinea Pig.
(NOT)

I just took my little one to the doctor a couple weeks ago to get her first check up. It's a free baby well check up. I only took her to get her weighed and to see if her juandice was ok.
Everything was great...and then...the doctor wanted to give my little one her first shot. I said.."no thank you"...and the doctor told me that it was VERY UNWISE..and that their were many dieses on the rise again. (Whateverrrr.)

I put my trust in G-d..not the Fears of this world.
Anyway..Then the doctor proceeds to give me a bunch of Baby formula samples..like Isomil ect. I told the doctor I am ONLY breast feeding, but once again..the doctor promoted baby formula. She said I could breast feed, but I only needed to give the baby 3 oz a day and the rest should be formula. (Whateverrrrr)
Now this is the third doctor I've had to deal with...that gave me the same advice while I've had my other children too. It' s crazy. I'm really not liking doctors. :mad:

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

I know that there has been much information gathered and shared already. I done a search on Aish.com and found the following:

The Ethics of Smallpox Immunization: A Jewish perspective on the controversial issues surrounding immunization. (http://www.aish.com/societyWork/sciencenature/The_Ethics_of_Smallpox_Immunization.asp)

Very interesting read.

Shalom,

Tag

[muffler dragon]

I know that there has been much information gathered and shared already. I done a search on Aish.com and found the following:

The Ethics of Smallpox Immunization (http://www.aish.com/societyWork/sciencenature/The_Ethics_of_Smallpox_Immunization.asp)

Very interesting read.

Shalom,

Tag
Pretty interesting read.

I was hoping that they would give more validity to an increase in hygiene; but alas...