Should Israel wipe out Hamas?

[Dominus Fidelis]

According to the 'Covenant of the Hamas' the Muslim jihad will not rest until Israel is completely destroyed and the Palestinean lands freed.

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

The part about "peace negotiations" being an impossibility was particularly troubling to me when I read it.

:sigh:

[JewishHeart]

Should criminals go to jail? Should chickens lay eggs? Should Israel wipe out Hamas?

[Charlesinflorida]

Up front I would say, Yes. Hamas has on several occassions made open declarations of war against Israel. And they certainly have spilled a lot of innocent Jewish Blood. Israel would be well within her rights to respond. The Trouble as you know is in the world reactions that result from Israel defending herself. Eventually it WILL all break loose, and the world will be amazed! Israel is well capable of defending herself against all the combined forces of the Arabs.

Israel realized long ago that it would have to fight decisively and up close with its enemies, and do so with out destroying herself in the process. For this reason they developed the handy little device called the Neutron Bomb. They have 200 or more of these. They destroy the enemy without destroying the real estate, or poisoning the land with radioactive fallout. Here is how it works.

ZEC 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

CIF

[simchat_torah]

Should Israel wipe out Hamas?


Yes.

[Dominus Fidelis]

Yes.

LOL.

Ok, so my question is a two-part.

If Israel wipes out Hamas...should it also go the next step and wipe out all the Islamic fundies that hate Israel?

[Pray4Isrel]

LOL.

Ok, so my question is a two-part.

If Israel wipes out Hamas...should it also go the next step and wipe out all the Islamic fundies that hate Israel?
Question # 1 - Should Israel wipe out Hamas? My answer: YES.
Question # 2 - Should it wipe out Islamic fundies that hate Israel? My answer: It would be impossible because there are too many to go after, but they should definitely go after the largest threats of terrorism and work their way down the line.

[ShirChadash]

Quick answer -- G-d will do so. Through Israel, or some other means. Yep. And G-d will deal with all who curse Israel and wish to see her, and her children, destroyed. Sooner or later. And it won't be pretty. *shudder*

[ILY]

Shalom,
Putting it nicely, ;) Does a bear uh relieve himself in the woods?
We are not talking about a peace loving group, but rather one of many that wish to annhilate the Jews.Or as brother Walid Shoebat put it, Islam wants to eradicate the "Saturday people", then the "Sunday people!" Which of course is Jews and Christians etc..

Here's a link where Walid is on the 700 club describing what the agend's of these groups is.
http://www.christianforums.com/t106825

Shalom
ILY<>< :wave:

[P_G]

Should Isreal Wipe out Hamas?

:sigh:
Out of Deference to the OP I say

Is the Pope Catholic?

(Sorry DoF I couldn't resist ;))


YES!

And of others choose to attack Isreal then they have the right and duty to defend against that also.

Should the US eradicate Al Quada?
Same Question

Blessings

PG :wave:

[Dominus Fidelis]

Thanks peeps...

I wonder if wiping out Hamas and other Islamic fundie groups actually gives fuel to the fire? They seem to thrive off of being martyrs. Is it possible to change their minds about Islam instead of giving them more reason to hate us? Is that even possible?

I wonder... :scratch:

[roadie432002]

according to the Bible, Russia and several muslim countries will attack Israel and God will wipe them out!this will occur in the beginning of the 7 year tribulation.God will deal with Israels enemies in due time.

[ShirChadash]

When Jews fight back they are hated. And when Jews didn't fight back, were they less hated? Henny's sig line (if she still has it) is right on -- if the Israeli's laid down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel. The idea that their refusal to stand down and be slaughtered in some way is responsible for the fighting against them and the hatred,and the sick determination to destroy them... is incorrect.

[ILY]

Shalom all,
DOF I pray all is well with you and yours. :wave:
you said,

Is it possible to change their minds about Islam instead of giving them more reason to hate us? Is that even possible?

I wonder

Very difficult indeed.I have been involved as in an exmuslim forum for over a year now, and we have had some interesting discussions, but when they can't answer they resort to trying to crash the site, hacking etc...numerous attacks to say the least.Sadly, I don't know that we partook in seeing anyone that we discussed with convert.

On the bright side, I hear from many who have converted from Islam. :clap: It's actually more than you might think.By no means is it as easy in free countries.One risks death, and certain alienation from their families, but we must forge on and try, when possible.In the mean time Hamas and others are being taught to blow themselves up for 72 virgins in paradise etc... :scratch: :(

The battle for mens souls rages on, and we cannot overlook opportunites.There are many that have come out of Islam that are really effective getting the message across to others, but as I stated it can be a slow process due to reasons I previousley stated, not to mention racial pride!

So you know, I was never a Muslim, after prayer I ended up meeting an Arab Christian online who helped defend against the "Westernized" version of Islam being peaceful, and ended up teaming up with him on the site I co-admin. with him.

Sorry for rambling. :help:

YbiY<><
ILY

[Dominus Fidelis]

You didnt ramble ILY, thanks for the post! :) Interesting thoughts.

[simchat_torah]

If Israel wipes out Hamas...should it also go the next step and wipe out all the Islamic fundies that hate Israel?
no to those who hate israel
yes to those who try to wipe out israel

[ILY]

Roadie shalom,
Not neccessarily Russia,
It's a bit off subject, and too much to post here, so here's a link that is as good an explanation as I have seen.
http://abrahamic-faith.com/Books/Gog.html

Shalom
ILY

[Dominus Fidelis]

Roadie shalom,
Not neccessarily Russia,
It's a bit off subject, and too much to post here, so here's a link that is as good an explanation as I have seen.
http://abrahamic-faith.com/Books/Gog.html

Shalom
ILY

From your link...


Those Jews believe that Mary had illegal sex with Joseph or some other man, got pregnant and had Jesus. They even called Mary a whore and Jesus a son of sin in their Holy Scriptures


Is this true? :mad:

[ILY]

Shalom DOF,
Those comments you posted are from "a Muslim apologist"!
Since it's not my work I can't verify the quotes from the M.A.
Read on and it will show a different view than most of us are used to.

In H_M<><
ILY

[Dominus Fidelis]

Shalom DOF,
Those comments you posted are from "a Muslim apologist"!
Since it's not my work I can't verify the quotes from the M.A.
Read on and it will show a different view than most of us are used to.

In H_M<><
ILY

Oh, I see...sorry!

How about this part:


Even Mecca is called The city of seven hills today.


Is that true?

[ILY]

Sorry this may be off subject,
Here's the whole portion of that quote etc..along with a little more that is noteworthy.

THE SATANIC SETUP



One Muslim apologist writes:



“Muslims and Christians have some serious disagreements regarding this issue. Briefly, Christians believe that Jesus will come down to earth and fight for the state of Israel the army of Gog and Magog in the battle of Armageddon, and this army will be soundly defeated and will be thrown into the lake of sulfur.” What seems to be quite ironic to me is that those Jews that Jesus is supposedly going to fight for don't even believe in Jesus as GOD himself nor as a Messenger of GOD.



Those Jews believe that Mary had illegal sex with Joseph or some other man, got pregnant and had Jesus. They even called Mary a whore and Jesus a son of sin in their Holy Scriptures. Please visit Jesus and Mary in the Jewish Holy Scriptures to see the actual quotes and references to their offensive views. Jesus never liked the Jews. Read Matthew 26:57-66, John 18:36-40, John 19:7-15 and Luke 23:8-9 to see the story of Jesus with the Jews before he got crucified

and how he ultimately refused to reveal the truth to them and kept silent and decided to leave them to be lead stray to meet their ultimate destruction by GOD Almighty in the day of judgment and never be saved. ”



A quote from a Muslim:



“Now without being biased, we Muslims have a story that makes a lot more sense and is empty of contradictions! We believe that Jesus peace be upon him will come down to earth toward the end of the world time to fight the army of Satan which will be mostly from the Jews and the deceived from the Christians. Some Jews and many Christians will be among the good and blessed who will fight along with Jesus. The army of Satan will be lead by a person who will claim to be Jesus Christ himself. The Muslims will call him the Dajjal or the Deceiver. The real Jesus' army will fight the Dajjal's army and defeat him. The empire of Israel will fall, and the religion of Islam will prevail. The signs that will reveal to us the coming of Jesus peace be upon him are when the Jews do mischief; see Noble Verses 5:64 from the Noble Quran for more details.”

YbiY<><
ILY

[Dominus Fidelis]

I just found this on that site:

http://abrahamic-faith.com/False/Catholic.html

I will not be reading further, sorry.

[Hix]

Mary, Jesus and christians are never mentioned in the Talmud, saying otherwise is an outright lie. No worries DOF, they werent insulted at all, alot of anti-semites think people mentioned in the Talmud living in different places, with different names in different times means Jesus and Mary, only of cource to spread hate for Jews and the Talmud.

Anyway on to topic. Yes Israel should destroy Hamas, the same for Islamic Jihad, Fatah etc etc

[ILY]

Shalom DOF,
I questioned the author about Mecca being known as the 7 hills also, and he said it is known as being on 7 hills.I'll try to get more info. on that, as it is imporatnt to be factual, because we don't want to bear false witness etc...

ILY

[ShirChadash]

From your link...



Is this true? :mad:
I doubt it DOF -- I think this is yet another reference to those non-existant quotes in the Talmud that liars keep saying are there.

[Dominus Fidelis]

Shalom DOF,
I questioned the author about Mecca being known as the 7 hills also, and he said it is known as being on 7 hills.I'll try to get more info. on that, as it is imporatnt to be factual, because we don't want to bear false witness etc...

ILY

You might want to get him to take down this ridiculous piece of horse dung so as not to bear false witness...

http://abrahamic-faith.com/False/Catholic.html

I've seen better attempts to discredit my Church from Jack Chick.

:rolleyes:

[ILY]

Hix,
Shalom,
As noted it is a quote from a Muslim apologist, and as you may or may not know, they tend to try to interpret our Scriptures for us.I wouldn't imagine the one in question would be spinning the facts? Sort of divide and try to conquer.

Shalom
ILY

[Dominus Fidelis]

Hix,
Shalom,
As noted it is a quote from a Muslim apologist, and as you may or may not know, they tend to try to interpret our Scriptures for us.I wouldn't imagine the one in question would be spinning the facts? Sort of divide and try to conquer.

Shalom
ILY

There seems to be a lot of that going around.

[iitb]

From your link...



Is this true? :mad:
There's a thread over in OBOB called "Messianic Judaism" where I posted some links that refute the claims of Y'shua being mentioned in the Talmud. If you're really interested, you should check them out.

[mylene]

Mary, Jesus and christians are never mentioned in the Talmud, saying otherwise is an outright lie. No worries DOF, they werent insulted at all, alot of anti-semites think people mentioned in the Talmud living in different places, with different names in different times means Jesus and Mary, only of cource to spread hate for Jews and the Talmud.



Is King David mentioned in Talmud ?