Should there be a law . . . .

[racer]

Okay, guys, tell me if I'm way off the mark here. But, shouldn't spouses who commit adultery be held accountable for risking the health, welfare and lives of their partners? I mean if a rapist has "aids" doesn't he get further charges against him, such as "attempted murder" or something like that? Sure the rapist may or may not know he has aids, therefore at first thought would be considered more culpable than a straying spouse. But, let's face it--when married men and women go to sleeping around, they have no idea what types of illnesses or diseases they could contract. Whatever they may contract can and most likely will be passed on to the unsuspecting spouse. Right?

Shouldn't that be a crime? :scratch:

[countrymousenc]

In our litigious society, it has a good chance of becoming a crime, from a legal standpoint. Consider that a marriage could be interpreted as a legal contract - in fact, it is, and requires a legal divorce for dissolution. Unfaithfulness is considered adequate ground for justifying divorce, under the law. I suppose, in order to sue or charge an adulterous spouse with intent to harm, one would have to show that the spouse in question knew that he or she had a potentially fatal communicable disease.

[Knight]

At the very least you could call it reckless endangerment. Though I'm no lawyer.

[seebs]

Covered by existing laws. Adultery is a crime in many states. The law is very, very, rarely enforced.

I am not sure I could support a law against it. In many cases, spouses end up reconciling after an affair. A law against it could result in putting them on the stand in a criminal case against each other, right when they should be reconciling. A law enforced only when the victim chooses not to reconcile sounds like a very bad idea, in many ways. It seems to me that divorce is punishment enough.

Shouldn't these threads (this one and the one in OBOB) be merged and put in Marriage Ministry or something?

[racer]

At the very least you could call it reckless endangerment. Though I'm no lawyer.

Thank you!! That's the term I was trying to think of, but couldn't recall. :clap:

[Greeter]

Sounds appropriate.

[Phoebe]

I think it should fall under the same premise of murduring a woman that is pregnant. The murderer may not know she's pregnant, but should that matter? It's still considered a double homicide.

[LynneClomina]

Okay, guys, tell me if I'm way off the mark here. But, shouldn't spouses who commit adultery be held accountable for risking the health, welfare and lives of their partners? I mean if a rapist has "aids" doesn't he get further charges against him, such as "attempted murder" or something like that? Sure the rapist may or may not know he has aids, therefore at first thought would be considered more culpable than a straying spouse. But, let's face it--when married men and women go to sleeping around, they have no idea what types of illnesses or diseases they could contract. Whatever they may contract can and most likely will be passed on to the unsuspecting spouse. Right?

Shouldn't that be a crime? :scratch:

YES.

the laws of the land should always be the laws of God.

unfortunately, that is not the case.

does anybody know of a place that HAS the same laws as God put forth???? that actually follows God's morals? :confused:

[Flynmonkie]

Okay, guys, tell me if I'm way off the mark here. But, shouldn't spouses who commit adultery be held accountable for risking the health, welfare and lives of their partners?
see below on this one

I mean if a rapist has "aids" doesn't he get further charges against him, such as "attempted murder" or something like that?

I have heard of cases such as these. Where the Aids patient was aware of their illness and used it as a grudge....a wepon. They were tried and sentanced with a version of manslaughter cannot remember ...do a search on the net.


Sure the rapist may or may not know he has aids, therefore at first thought would be considered more culpable than a straying spouse. But, let's face it--when married men and women go to sleeping around, they have no idea what types of illnesses or diseases they could contract. Whatever they may contract can and most likely will be passed on to the unsuspecting spouse. Right?See below


Unfaithfulness is considered adequate ground for justifying divorce, under the law. I suppose, in order to sue or charge an adulterous spouse with intent to harm, one would have to show that the spouse in question knew that he or she had a potentially fatal communicable disease.
Ok -Yes there is a law, it is called "Alienation of Affection", you can sue the other perpatrator (not your spouse!) You will have to check if your state follows this law. Many do not. Friend of mine (male) just did this. Sued the man cheating with his wife...got $10k out of the deal. Before the divorce was final. I have heard of situations that used this while married, but you have to show injury. Fact of the matter is most states are no-fault states, but sometimes infedility can be used as leverage in divorce proceedings.(which there is so much widespread inconsistancies with how these laws are carried out - it is a mess. Know a situation of a woman very faithful for 26 years....husband cheated all their married lives.......she is very faithful to God....she finally put her foot down.....he left, married the gal from the internet he had been "cheating with"......met her only once before marriage....threw his family away...(btw the internet gal did the same to her family)....and both stripped the lifetime wife and the husbands of each......of everything they had. Legally. Meanwhile the judge in the case was caught in the mens bathroom at the local airport...."lude acts". It is a sad day.:(

And to tell the truth, I do not see that this is biblical. To sue your spouse other than divorce for adultry. But the GLORY of a marriage is working through these problems, only if both parties are working together. If not.......they have Gods Law to reckon with!! I think that is liable to teach a lesson or two, don't ya think!;)

[Plan 9]

Lynne, we have subcultures based on religious teachings which are stricter than those of society at large. :)

[LynneClomina]

Lynne, we have subcultures based on religious teachings which are stricter than those of society at large. :)

you mean like in the church when ppl avoid or ostracise ppl for adultery or what ever? that's not strict, that's stupid and unforgiving.

but the legal system? it's the law/legal system that should uphold the law. the legal system should have laws that reflect the main sins against others - adultry, murder, theft, bearing falst testimony against someone, drawing ppl into homosexuality, molesting children, etc etc etc. sins directly against God should be dealt with in the church - gently. idolatry, lack of honor toward your parents, hatred.... but that will only cover the pll IN the church. which is why there should be laws - civil laws - that cover everybody, in the church and out. but they should always reflect GOD's morals, not ppls.

[Plan 9]

you mean like in the church when ppl avoid or ostracise ppl for adultery or what ever? that's not strict, that's stupid and unforgiving.

No, I had in mind groups like the Hutterian Brethren. :)

[citygirl]

I remember once reading about a type of marriage vow called a "covenant marriage". I don't think they have it in NJ, so I really don't know much about it, but I think its where it is much harder to get a divorce. The reason I'm bringing this up, is because as Chrsitians, maybe instead of leagl action, there should be some type of church discipline for cheating partners????

[racer]

I think it should fall under the same premise of murduring a woman that is pregnant. The murderer may not know she's pregnant, but should that matter? It's still considered a double homicide.

See? It makes complete sense. Sad as it truly is :( :(

[racer]

YES.

the laws of the land should always be the laws of God.

unfortunately, that is not the case.

does anybody know of a place that HAS the same laws as God put forth???? that actually follows God's morals? :confused:

No :sigh: :( :cry:

[racer]

Ok -Yes there is a law, it is called "Alienation of Affection", you can sue the other perpatrator (not your spouse!) You will have to check if your state follows this law. Many do not.

Actually, I've done an online check, and only a handful of states still uphold this law.

Friend of mine (male) just did this. Sued the man cheating with his wife...got $10k out of the deal. Before the divorce was final.

Hurray for him!!!

I have heard of situations that used this while married, but you have to show injury. Fact of the matter is most states are no-fault states, but sometimes infedility can be used as leverage in divorce proceedings.

Actually, not so much anymore.

(which there is so much widespread inconsistancies with how these laws are carried out - it is a mess. Know a situation of a woman very faithful for 26 years....husband cheated all their married lives.......she is very faithful to God....she finally put her foot down.....he left, married the gal from the internet he had been "cheating with"......met her only once before marriage....threw his family away...(btw the internet gal did the same to her family)....and both stripped the lifetime wife and the husbands of each......of everything they had. Legally. Meanwhile the judge in the case was caught in the mens bathroom at the local airport...."lude acts". It is a sad day.:(

You bet it's a sad day. Can you just imagine how many "politicians" would wet their pants if people started pushing for bills and laws such as these to be passed and enforced?

And to tell the truth, I do not see that this is biblical.

I don't know about that . . . . . :scratch:

To sue your spouse other than divorce for adultry. But the GLORY of a marriage is working through these problems, only if both parties are working together. If not.......they have Gods Law to reckon with!! I think that is liable to teach a lesson or two, don't ya think!;)

Honestly, I am having the hardest time understanding how people get past the hurt from the betrayal of a spouse cheating. I'll relate a personal story later, but first let me just tell you about a couple of close friends of me and my husband.

A guy my husband works with found his wife has been having an ongoing affair--then when people found out he had a clue, allllllll kinds of information started flowing in. His wife didn't just have one ongoing affair, she had numerous, numerous affairs--with people like her kids teachers and coaches!!! That's just a very brief version.

Then there's a couple who were friends of my husband and I. Married 21 years. The husband worked at the prison with me. I began hearing tidbits of gossip about him and another female officer "foolin' around," but knowing "Rodney" like I did, I completely blew it off. In my mind there was NOOOOO way he would do that. Guess what? He did. Twenty-one years of marriage down the tubes . . . . . . . . :(

Tomorrow, I'll try to get around to telling you guys my personal demons with this issue. :pink:

God Bless!!

Lisa

[cadworm]

I personally agree a law punishing adultery would be a good idea. However, what kind of evidence would be needed to prove the couple actually copulated, unless they confessed. There are many laws now against various sexual acts. But they are still being broken every day. As believers I think it is our responsiblity not to necessarily make new laws, but rather to change peoples hearts. If people have the right "heart condition" (based on divine viewpoint not man's), we would not need laws against sexual promiscuity and perversion. Pornographers would be out of business, as would prostitutes, strippers, etc.... Unfortunately, we will not see in this world. But, we will when Christ reigns and rules during the millennial kingdom. Praise God. He is sooo awesome.

Mike

[Plan 9]

Honestly, I am having the hardest time understanding how people get past the hurt from the betrayal of a spouse cheating.

You get past the hurt because you must.

[LynneClomina]

No, I had in mind groups like the Hutterian Brethren. :)

now that's a group i've never heard of! who are they????

[LynneClomina]

I personally agree a law punishing adultery would be a good idea. However, what kind of evidence would be needed to prove the couple actually copulated, unless they confessed. There are many laws now against various sexual acts. But they are still being broken every day. As believers I think it is our responsiblity not to necessarily make new laws, but rather to change peoples hearts. If people have the right "heart condition" (based on divine viewpoint not man's), we would not need laws against sexual promiscuity and perversion. Pornographers would be out of business, as would prostitutes, strippers, etc.... Unfortunately, we will not see in this world. But, we will when Christ reigns and rules during the millennial kingdom. Praise God. He is sooo awesome.

Mike
do you think copulation is necesarry for it to be considered adultery? i think a guy or gal can cheat in a LOT of hurtful, unfaithful ways that involve none of that at all. for example, my friends hubby will go and spend all his time with girls. almost all his friends are girls. he is two faced about whether he's "been" with them, his story changes as he sees fit. my friend has asked him to please stop spending all his time with them, but he wont. he spends time alone with them. there is no telling what is going on behind closed doors. if there had to be proof of copulation before it's considered adultery, then alot would slip through, yknow? how many times are ppls lives put at rist because of not knowing???? :sigh:

[Flynmonkie]

now that's a group i've never heard of! who are they????:wave: A very basic form of Anabaptists...

Hutterite



(Redirected from Hutterites (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Hutterites&redirect=no))

Like the two best-known Anabaptist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabaptist) denominations, the Amish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish) and the Mennonites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mennonites), the Hutterites had their beginnings in the Radical Reformation of the 16th Century. Originating in the Austrian province of Tyrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrol), the forerunners of the Hutterites migrated to Bohemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemia) to escape persecution. There, under the leadership of Jakob Hutter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Hutter), they developed the communal form of living which is based on 2 Corinthians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Corinthians) in the Bible which distinguishes them from other Anabaptists.

In Bohemia, the Hutterites flourished for over a century, until renewed persecution forced them once again to migrate*:first to Transylvania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvania), then in the early 18th Century, to Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia). In Russia, the Hutterites enjoyed relative prosperity, although their distinctive communal life was suppressed by the influence of the neighboring Mennonites.

In the 19th Century, when the Russian authorities demanded that the Hutterites participate in military service, there occurred the final great migration, as three waves of Hutterite emigrants left for the New World.

Named for the leaders of each wave, the three groupings (the Schmiedeleut, Dariusleut, and Lehrerleut) settled in various parts of the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) (primarily the Dakotas and Montana) and Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada) (primarily Manitoba and Saskatchewan). Here each group re-established the traditional Hutterite communal life style. For a few years in the early 1950s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950s), and from 1974 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974) to 1990 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990), the Arnoldleut (or Bruderhof Communities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruderhof_Communities)) were recognized as Hutterites.

During the First World War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World_War), the pacifist Hutterites suffered persecution in the United States, resulting in the emigration of many of the Schmiedeleut to Canada. With the passage of laws protecting conscientious objectors, however, many ultimately returned.

The Hutterites practice total community of goods: that is, all property is owned by the church, and individual members and their families are provided for out of the common resources. This practice is based largely on their interpretation of passages in Acts chapters 2 and 4, which speak of the believers "having all things in common."

Hutterite communities, called "colonies", are all rural, and depend largely on farming for their income. Each colony consists of a number of families, up to about one hundred people. When a colony exceeds this number, half the members are chosen by lot to "branch off" and form a new colony, with the financial assistance of the mother colony.

As with the Amish and Mennonites who often use Pennsylvania German (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_German_language), the Hutterites have preserved a distinctive dialect of German known as Hutterite German (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutterite_German).

* Some Hutterites converted to Catholicism, and retained a separate ethnic identity in Slovakia as the Habaner through the 19th Century. By the end of the Second World War, this group had become essentially extinct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutterites

Further information on the Hutterites can be found at http://hutterites.org/ (http://hutterites.org/)

[Plan 9]

now that's a group i've never heard of! who are they????
The Hutterian Brethren, also called the Hutterites, are Anabaptists, like the Amish and the Mennonites.
They regard 1528 as their founding date when a group of their ancestors, religious refugees fleeing persecution decided to hold what possessions they had in common.
They migrated to South Dakota in about 1872 from the Ukraine, which passed in that year a new military act which caused them and other groups of ethnic German religious pacifists, such as Mennonites and Doukhobours living there to also relocate to North America.
The Bretheren hold a large group farm in common, and start a new settlement when the population of the old one reaches about 130 people.
They live very strict Christian lifes, but are reared to do so from an early age, and they are quite happy. The very, very few who do leave, when questioned about a change in churches, almost unanimously reply, "If I ever wish to be a Christian again, I will return home."
They're fascinating people, very nice and very sociable, as well as being good people who do not seem to find their strict (by our standards) Chrsitian life onerous at all, and I would like to read even more about them than I have. They truly live in the world without being of it, which sometimes brings hardship on them, and I admire that. :)
I could write more about them, but I don't want to bore you. :blush:

[Plan 9]

:wave: A very basic form of Anabaptists...

Hutterite



(Redirected from Hutterites (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Hutterites&redirect=no))

Like the two best-known Anabaptist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabaptist) denominations, the Amish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish) and the Mennonites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mennonites), the Hutterites had their beginnings in the Radical Reformation of the 16th Century. Originating in the Austrian province of Tyrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrol), the forerunners of the Hutterites migrated to Bohemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemia) to escape persecution. There, under the leadership of Jakob Hutter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Hutter), they developed the communal form of living which is based on 2 Corinthians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Corinthians) in the Bible which distinguishes them from other Anabaptists.

In Bohemia, the Hutterites flourished for over a century, until renewed persecution forced them once again to migrate*:first to Transylvania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvania), then in the early 18th Century, to Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia). In Russia, the Hutterites enjoyed relative prosperity, although their distinctive communal life was suppressed by the influence of the neighboring Mennonites.

In the 19th Century, when the Russian authorities demanded that the Hutterites participate in military service, there occurred the final great migration, as three waves of Hutterite emigrants left for the New World.

Named for the leaders of each wave, the three groupings (the Schmiedeleut, Dariusleut, and Lehrerleut) settled in various parts of the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) (primarily the Dakotas and Montana) and Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada) (primarily Manitoba and Saskatchewan). Here each group re-established the traditional Hutterite communal life style. For a few years in the early 1950s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950s), and from 1974 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974) to 1990 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990), the Arnoldleut (or Bruderhof Communities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruderhof_Communities)) were recognized as Hutterites.

During the First World War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World_War), the pacifist Hutterites suffered persecution in the United States, resulting in the emigration of many of the Schmiedeleut to Canada. With the passage of laws protecting conscientious objectors, however, many ultimately returned.

The Hutterites practice total community of goods: that is, all property is owned by the church, and individual members and their families are provided for out of the common resources. This practice is based largely on their interpretation of passages in Acts chapters 2 and 4, which speak of the believers "having all things in common."

Hutterite communities, called "colonies", are all rural, and depend largely on farming for their income. Each colony consists of a number of families, up to about one hundred people. When a colony exceeds this number, half the members are chosen by lot to "branch off" and form a new colony, with the financial assistance of the mother colony.

As with the Amish and Mennonites who often use Pennsylvania German (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_German_language), the Hutterites have preserved a distinctive dialect of German known as Hutterite German (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutterite_German).

* Some Hutterites converted to Catholicism, and retained a separate ethnic identity in Slovakia as the Habaner through the 19th Century. By the end of the Second World War, this group had become essentially extinct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutterites

Further information on the Hutterites can be found at http://hutterites.org/ (http://hutterites.org/)


Flynmonkie! You always beat me to the really fun posts and yours are always better than mine! Why is that, Flynmonkie?! ;)


Thanks for the great links! :)

[Flynmonkie]

They truly live in the world without being of it, which sometimes brings hardship on them, and I admire that. :)
I could write more about them, but I don't want to bore you. :blush:
Ekkk....sorry I answered for you!:( Did not know when you would return! I have studied many of these anabaptist sects as that I live very close to a prominantly Amish/Mennonite community. We are of like minds on this subject. I too admire their ways. Out of all denominations that are under my scrutany...these groups I find the least problems with. However, secluding ourselves from the world in such a manner that we do not share gospel with all...concerns me...as with some of the more closed sects..along with shunning etc..I also have great admiration of these lovely people, I have found most to be very nice too. But there are some, that do not and will not allow you into their circle....yet another issue..There is a great thread in the PRE forum...Anabaptist. Many questions have been answered and clarified there in case you have not seen it! We have some really neat Anabaptist members on the board!

[Plan 9]

Ekkk....sorry I answered for you!:(
I was a-teasin' ya, Flyn! I love your posts! :)

Besides, we old ladies just have to accustom ourselves to the fact that you youngins can kick us to the curb. ;)

Did not know when you would return! I have studied many of these anabaptist sects as that I live very close to a prominantly Amish/Mennonite community. We are of like minds on this subject. I too admire their ways. Out of all denominations that are under my scrutany...these groups I find the least problems with. However, secluding ourselves from the world in such a manner that we do not share gospel with all...concerns me...as with some of the more closed sects..along with shunning etc..I also have great admiration of these lovely people, I have found most to be very nice too. But there are some, that do not and will not allow you into their circle....yet another issue..There is a great thread in the PRE forum...Anabaptist. Many questions have been answered and clarified there in case you have not seen it! We have some really neat Anabaptist members on the board![/QUOTE]
I've been following that thread and enjoy it very much. A Conservative Mennonite family helped my brother during a time so emotionally difficult for him that they may have saved his life. They also helped me. The Anabaptists I've met so far seem more than willing to talk about God to the "English" with whom they come in contact.
I saw zero shunning among the Conservative Mennonites I met in Iowa; this family invited Evangelical Mennonites for regular visits, so I met my first EMs there, too.
The Amish of Kolona, Iowa also seemed quite open to us English.
So far, my studies of the Hutterites have shown that they don't much need their shunning system, and some settlements are quite friendly with nearby townsfolk. In their case, I wonder if some are more closed in nature because of the hostility directed toward them by the more ignorant English.
Flynn, do you think it's possible that this varies from place to place?

In any case, I'm amazed at how low their statistics are for adultry (It's that beard! What a great idea!), for unwed mothers, etc., etc., etc.
The threat of shunning alone (the law) can't account for it, in my not-so-humble-opinion; there must be very real advantages to the way they live; real meaning and satisfaction in their lives.

[cadworm]

do you think copulation is necesarry for it to be considered adultery? i think a guy or gal can cheat in a LOT of hurtful, unfaithful ways that involve none of that at all. for example, my friends hubby will go and spend all his time with girls. almost all his friends are girls. he is two faced about whether he's "been" with them, his story changes as he sees fit. my friend has asked him to please stop spending all his time with them, but he wont. he spends time alone with them. there is no telling what is going on behind closed doors. if there had to be proof of copulation before it's considered adultery, then alot would slip through, yknow? how many times are ppls lives put at rist because of not knowing???? :sigh:

I will not argue that cheating either physically or emotionally is being unfaithful in a commited relationship. I was just using the term adultery as defined by Webster.

Main Entry: adul·tery
Pronunciation: &-'d&l-t(&-)rE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ter·ies
Etymology: Middle English, alteration of avoutrie, from Middle French, from Latin adulterium, from adulter adulterer, back-formation from adulterare
: voluntary sexual intercourse between a married man and someone other than his wife or between a married woman and someone other than her husband; also : an act of adultery

Mike

[Flynmonkie]

I was a-teasin' ya, Flyn! I love your posts! :)

Besides, we old ladies just have to accustom ourselves to the fact that you youngins can kick us to the curb. ;)
Oh whatever!!


Flynn, do you think it's possible that this varies from place to place?


Yes just with any denomination, there are always bad apples. Actually someone broached this subject in that Anabaptist thread. There are some groups that will not even speak English to us. I do believe it is derived from "bad blood" handed down. Neahmiah Center posted, or tried to post a bit on this. It is a good read!

[Plan 9]

Oh whatever!! I suppose I should stop teasing you one of these years? ;)

Still, you are a much faster poster than I, Speedy Gonzales, and our relative ages is a factor. The fact that yours are often better, too, can be attributed to factors less enjoyable for me to contemplate. :sigh:


Yes just with any denomination, there are always bad apples. Actually someone broached this subject in that Anabaptist thread. There are some groups that will not even speak English to us. I do believe it is derived from "bad blood" handed down. Neahmiah Center posted, or tried to post a bit on this. It is a good read!
And by "bad blood" you mean?

I've become a great fan of Pastor George's posts; he's both knowlegeable and good hearted...kinda like you. ;)

Because my husband felt such a compulsion to commit adultery, I feel that better early training and better company would have been far more helpful than any law made against it; he broke others to behave in ways of less importance to him.

[Flynmonkie]

I suppose I should stop teasing you one of these years? ;)
Still, you are a much faster poster than I, Speedy Gonzales, and our relative ages is a factor. The fact that yours are often better, too, can be attributed to factors less enjoyable for me to contemplate. :sigh:
Oh yeah, did you notice how long it took me to respond. I am starting to show my age. I actually read it this mornign and thought I replied! :rolleyes: :scratch: :eek:
Not always better eek! I think so far I am just good at finding the information I need when I need it. But sometimes WHEW!:rolleyes:

And by "bad blood" you mean?
Pastor George spoke of the Luthern, Protestant conflicts with the Anabaptist and vice versa. His church is trying to "build bridges" alot of resentment for past (present) percecutions and misconceptions on both ends I do believe...you know he started to speak of this but was inturrupted. So he could not get very far.


I've become a great fan of Pastor George's posts; he's both knowlegeable and good hearted...kinda like you. ;)

No way, he is much more patient and controlled than I!


Because my husband felt such a compulsion to commit adultery, I feel that better early training and better company would have been far more helpful than any law made against it; he broke others to behave in ways of less importance to him.
:hug: This is exactly how I feel! People do not realize this. The type of people you surround yourself with are more than likely how you will form your thought process it seems. I am a firm believer you are the company you keep....my ex left home because of the same reasons. However we were younger, I was a doormat to him when everyone was out partying. I was saving money while other women were buying trendy fashions, I was taking care of the children and the home while others were out being adventurous single college students. I became boring. Laws of Marriage did not seem to work with him.....