A Small Thought

[Nossa-the-Lame]

I had a small thought, and I don't know if anyone wants to agree with me or not, or anything to add, but I was thinking....

Every christian quotes verses from books that have the apostles saying(out of context) to not follow the law. Then they turn around and quote the verses from Matthew where Yeshua said "I did not come to abolish..." and they then make some type of judgement that the other quots over-rule yeshuas! Now, I don't know about you guys, but don't you think Yeshua's commands, since he is G-d, outways the apostles? I mean, what is this justification??? It is fact on both sides Yeshua taught torah obediance, so why do christians quote men for lawlessness rather than G-d for torah observance? Any thoughts?

Shalom,
Nossa

[Sephania]

It is how HaShem choose to separate the tares from the wheat. (Read something about this somewhere).

Remember when Y'shua said that there will come a time when there will be those that say "L-rd, L-rd, we prophesied in your name, cast out devils, etc, and he says "go away I never knew you!" ?

He is the word, we should be able to diferentiate between his words and those of man and if we truely know our shepherd we recognize his voice.

[Pray4Isrel]

"We see things as we want to see them, not as they truly are."
- Quote from some person who's name I forgot. :sorry:

[Buccaneer]

Lots of things boggle the mind. Earlier I was thinking about how we are not to add or subtract from Torah and then "I give you a new commandment love one another as I have loved you" etc. Its pointless to try and explain these things or at least I give up on them.

[green suiter]

Nossa,
I think we all think about this once or more when talking to other people. I think that it's like that game you were tought in grade school or just in a room of more then one ten people, You know you whisper something in the person ear next to you then it passes around by the time it get's back to you it was completely different from when you started and means something completely different. I think over the years that some of the churches had these similar things happen in which help stir them in the directions they are today. The other thing is people just take somethings as value of what the head of the church has said even if they were wrong due to ages of speaking up agianst the churches throughout time.:idea: Now the main question should be How do we bring YESHUA"S words back to context for people to enjoy and feel the love of G-D with in thier heart and soul???????? :confused:

[mjterry87]

What my question is who would not want to ACT like Yeshua? Even if the Christians do believe that he abolished the Torah, which we KNOW he did not, who whould not want to act as Yeshua? He was the most perfect example of how a human should live! Who would not want to be as our L-RD was?

[Sephania]

Nossa,
I think we all think about this once or more when talking to other people. I think that it's like that game you were tought in grade school or just in a room of more then one ten people, You know you whisper something in the person ear next to you then it passes around by the time it get's back to you it was completely different from when you started and means something completely different. I think over the years that some of the churches had these similar things happen in which help stir them in the directions they are today. The other thing is people just take somethings as value of what the head of the church has said even if they were wrong due to ages of speaking up agianst the churches throughout time.:idea: Now the main question should be How do we bring YESHUA"S words back to context for people to enjoy and feel the love of G-D with in thier heart and soul???????? :confused:
LOL, that made me think about when I heard someone say they thought the lyrics to Elton Johns song "Tiny Dancer" went like this:

Draw me closer Tony Danza
:D

[Nossa-the-Lame]

Allright, so yeah, I just think that its somewhat ridiculus that people place Christ's words under those of men, even though they were the apostles, they still did not have a lot of authority, IMO.

[green suiter]

When G-d comes back to judge then those men will have to answer for what they have done, and face G-d's judgement. Yes, it is sad that people place his word under Man. Also remember no Man or Woman is perfect except One, We will all have something that we will be judge for, some more then others. All we can do is continue following the TORAH to the best of are understanding:amen: , and recieving the enlightenment from god to allow us to understand the "Good Book" :thumbsup: . We could also be good examples of how G-d whant's us to live for others to understand so they to would whant to learn the Truth. We will allways learn and better our selves through the TORAH and never understand everything untill G-d enlighntens us with the truth. IMO:prayer:

[The Thadman]

Remember when Y'shua said that there will come a time when there will be those that say "L-rd, L-rd, we prophesied in your name, cast out devils, etc, and he says "go away I never knew you!" ?

"I never knew you! Depart from me you workers of Lawlessness!" even. ;)

Matthew 7:23.

Peace!
-Steve-o

[green suiter]

ACTS 7: 51-53
51 "Stiffnecked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You continually oppose the Ruach HaKodesh! You do the same things your fathers did! 52 Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who told in advance about the coming of the Tzaddik, and now you have become his betrayers and murderers! - 53 you! - who receive the Torah as having been delivered by angels - but do not keep it!"

I think your thoughts were discussed in this passage.

[Shimshon]

"You who having received the Torah as having been delivered by angels - but do not keep it!"

They received Torah but they did not keep it. I see this as they held fast to the legalistic ways of observing it. But they lost in the weightier matters of observing it by faith...in love...in the heart.

Yimreyahu 7:21 Thus says ADONAI-Tzva'ot, the God of Isra'el: "You may as well eat the meat of your burnt offerings along with that of your sacrifices. 22 For I didn't speak to your ancestors or give them orders concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices when I brought them out of the land of Egypt. 23 Rather, what I did order them was this: 'Pay attention to what I say. Then I will be your God, and you will be my people. In everything, live according to the way that I order you, so that things will go well for you.'

He did not give orders for offerings and sacrifices...he gave instructions on how..he gave halacha. But what he is defining here in this passage is that Yisrael saw the halacha as the mitzvot. Yet Adonai here details the mitzvah (order) in contrast to the halacha (way to walk out the command). He explains that the true point to the orders was to be kadosh inside. "Pay attention to what I say...in everything, live according to the way that I order you..." And that if your insides are not kadosh (set apart wholy to G-d, living according to the way that he ordered us) then you may as well eat your offerings and sacrifices yourself and don't even bother to give them to the cohen in the temple.

This is proved out in many other verses including quotes from Yeshua himself stating "Go learn what this means, "I desire mercy over sacrifice"" as well as tehillim 40:6 Sacrifices and grain offerings you don't want; burnt offerings and sin offerings you don't demand. Instead, you have given me open ears; Tehillim 51:16 For you don't want sacrifices, or I would give them; you don't take pleasure in burnt offerings.

Adonai detests the sacrifices of the wicked but delights in the prayers of the upright (pro 15:8) Offer sacrifices rightly, and put your trust in Adonai (Tehillim 4:5) Let them offer sacrifices of thanksgiving and proclaim his great deeds with songs of joy. (Tehillim 107:22)

I am not rebuking you for your sacrifices, your burnt offerings are always before me. I have no need for a bull form your farm or for male goats from your pens; ....Offer thanksgiving as your sacrifice to G-d, ...call on me ...and I will deliver you, and you will honor me. (Tehillim 50:7-15)

You can have an do all these things (mitzvot) but if you have not Love, you have nothing. You can follow every mitzvot according to it's halacha but you will miss completely it's true intent if you only do them as a legalistic observance rather than understanding the meaning behind the order. The mitzvah behind the halacha.

David ben Michael

[Bon]

I have had christians who believe the law has been done away with, explain away the fact that Yahshua kept the law and told us to do so, say that it was not until after His death and resurrection and the giving of the Holy Spirit at pentecost thereafter that the laws are no longer applicable.

That is how I have had it justified to me by christians on more than one occasion.

They are blinded by HaSatan, and he is giggling all the way to the lake of fire, with as many as he can drag along with him.

I just pray that such people come to find and believe the truth at some point in their lives.

Keep planting the seeds in a gentle and loving manner.

Shalom from Bon

[visionary]

They received Torah but they did not keep it. I see this as they held fast to the legalistic ways of observing it. But they lost in the weightier matters of observing it by faith...in love...in the heart. Notice how they were not observing the Torah, by keeping the leagalistic ways of observing it instead of by the way of the heart, in love, and in faith. It is like doing a ritual replacing the purpose that Yeshua had intended. How many rosary beads does it take to miss the Torah and its purpose?

[Shimshon]

Shaul refered to the Torah as a "custodian", and refered to those under it as children who have been given a huge inheritance but have not yet come of age or maturity to receive it. And in contrast how we are not under the custodial rule any longer because in Mashiach we are now mature sons and daughters able to receive our promised inheritance. (which we are in the process of receiving)

I have also come to see it as (and in no way do I use this analogy in a disparaging way) a diaper. You will have to forgive me as I have a 2 yr old daughter and one more on the way so diapers are a common thing in my life at the moment. :blush: When we were very young we had to wear a diaper because we just did not understand nor care what was going on down there. We even would sit in a soiled diaper playing and smiling away. Note also that we tried every chance we got to tear the darn thing off us. And it was abba or emma that forced us to wear one.

Yet, when we became old enough and the words of abba started to make more sense to us. We started to realize the mess we were sitting in and that it actually stunk real bad..(ACHYYY!!!) Soon enough we realized why abba and emma were starting to direct us to use the bathroom toilet and with their help we were taught how to not use the diaper at all.

Now we are full grown adults and when we get the temptation to go....we know to go to the bathroom toilet. We don't need the diaper...nor our parents telling us how to do it. We do it as second nature. So, today when we are tempted by HaSatan to do things against the will of Abba, we don't need a sacrifice, or a tzitzit, or a brit milah. For all these things are but material and will perish in the fire to come. But we are to know that now by the thing G-d did through Yeshua, we live out the true inward intent of these outward things. Yeshua is our sacrifice, the Ruach is our tzitziyot, and our hearts have been circumsised by the word of G-d.

I tend to see rabbinical Judaism as the elder son who is doing 110% of Abbas work yet in legalism. They do all the mitzvot of G-d and more but only to their death because they have missed the inward intent or meaning of the mitzvot. And Christianity is the harlot prodical son saying, "I am free!!!! I have my inheritance to do with as I wish". And then proceed to take the inheritance and justify their sins with it by living against Torah.

[plmarquette]

I had a small thought, and I don't know if anyone wants to agree with me or not, or anything to add, but I was thinking....

Every christian quotes verses from books that have the apostles saying(out of context) to not follow the law. Then they turn around and quote the verses from Matthew where Yeshua said "I did not come to abolish..." and they then make some type of judgement that the other quots over-rule yeshuas! Now, I don't know about you guys, but don't you think Yeshua's commands, since he is G-d, outways the apostles? I mean, what is this justification??? It is fact on both sides Yeshua taught torah obediance, so why do christians quote men for lawlessness rather than G-d for torah observance? Any thoughts?

Shalom,
Nossa
the Law : 1st five books of the bible [ many people think that the law is the 10 commandments ... v's leviticus and deuteronomy of the Penteuach ]

the baptism of the spirit is the grace / power / strength to keep the Law , commands , ordinances , of God

to the best of my knowledge gentile christians were not obligated to observe the feasts of trumpets, booths , first fruits , passover , and the Hebrews were ... which is what the books of Galatians and Romans deal with ????:scratch:

[Sephania]

Excellent post Shimshon!!!!!!!
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Althought I do disagree with having to eliminate food and water refuse is a temptation. ;)

[Nossa-the-Lame]

Thanks you guys for your posts, no matter what I ask here I always seem to learn so much more than I aim for! Keep 'em comming ya'll! :thumbsup:

[Talmidah]

They do all the mitzvot of G-d and more but only to their death because they have missed the inward intent or meaning of the mitzvot.
Just a question. How can one be sure that every person in 'rabbinic judaism' misses the meaning of the mitzvot and only follows outward 'rules', only focusing on those 'rules' and not the heart behind them?

[Shimshon]

to the best of my knowledge gentile christians were not obligated to observe the feasts of trumpets, booths , first fruits , passover , and the Hebrews were ... which is what the books of Galatians and Romans deal with ????:scratch:
gentile comes from the word goy which means "nation". The term christian was a greek expression of the hebrew term "meshichi" or "anointed". If you are "anointed" or filled with the Ruach you are a child of G-d..i.e meshichim...or christian.

I believe what you are struggling with is a form of seperate entity theology. There is only ONE body of Mashiach, ONE Remnant Yisrael. Not Jewish believers and/or non Jewish, but Jewish AND Goyish believers are now united in Yeshua.

The goyim can receive the Ruach and live righteous in G-d's sight as promised by trusting that this is what G-d said he would do. And equally so, the jews can receive the Ruach and live righteous in G-d's sight as promised by trusting in the same promise....that it was by trusting faithfulness that the Torah they were walking out was made complete. And conversly so, when the goyim who were given no Torah, did naturally what was given in Torah, themselves become a living Torah. (this verse alone shows how a goy is fulfilled...he does inwardly what Torah expresses outwardly. If only the Jews had understood this)

In short, now both jew and goy can enter in the same way to the holiest of holies. By trusting faithfulness in Yeshua.

The old has passed away only in that it has now been internalized, only in that it has been completed. Before we needed horses on the outside of our carts. Now we have horse power inside our CARt's. Do we then mock the cars that are labled after horses...such as "mustang" or "bronco"? Getting a circumsision today to qualify you for righteousness in G-d's sight is equal to hooking up four hundred horses to your ford and struting out on the drag strip thinking "I CAN"T LOOSE NOW~!!!" ;) But getting a circumsision because it is an outward show of your inward conviction, understanding that it is hygenicly healthier and identifies you as a member Yisrael is an awesome thing to understand. Just don't legalize it as so many prushim have and thus nullify it's inward intent. All Torah was good and for our benefit. But only if it is taken to heart...not mearly done as a show or work.

[Shimshon]

Just a question. How can one be sure that every person in 'rabbinic judaism' misses the meaning of the mitzvot and only follows outward 'rules', only focusing on those 'rules' and not the heart behind them?
Talmidah, being aware of blanket statments and generalizations is a good thing. However in this case one thing comes to mind. Does 'rabbinical judaism' place faith and understanding of Torah in Yeshua? If the whole of Torah leads to Yeshua, and rabbinical judaism rejects Yeshua, is it not a valid perspective to see them "rabbinical jews" as following the outward mitzvot yet missing the heart intent, the final outcome of such....Yeshua?

[Talmidah]

If the whole of Torah leads to Yeshua, and rabbinical judaism rejects Yeshua, is it not a valid perspective to see them "rabbinical jews" as following the outward mitzvot yet missing the heart intent, the final outcome of such....Yeshua? Thank you for your response. I do understand and respect your view on this, even as I respectfully disagree. :)

[Sephania]

Lots of things boggle the mind. Earlier I was thinking about how we are not to add or subtract from Torah and then "I give you a new commandment love one another as I have loved you" etc. Its pointless to try and explain these things or at least I give up on them.
Exactly! WE are not to , but HaShem never said He would not! Yeshua giving this shows just who he is, and the authority he has, mere men even a prophet could not do this, only the son of G-d.

[Shimshon]

Exactly! WE are not to , but HaShem never said He would not! Yeshua giving this shows just who he is, and the authority he has, mere men even a prophet could not do this, only the son of G-d.
Zayit, Yeshua didn't add or subtract he completed. But yes only he could do that. And in so doing from a perspective in the middle looks like he added. and from a perspective from the end it is the completed fulfillment of the initial word spoken.....it's just that mankind does not seem to use his perspective. But I beleive if we have his Ruach living in and through us we do have his perspective. Because he lives through us.

[Sephania]

Zayit, Yeshua didn't add or subtract he completed. But yes only he could do that. And in so doing from a perspective in the middle looks like he added. So since I "see him as the only one that can do that" my perspective is from the middle?
and from a perspective from the end it is the completed fulfillment of the initial word spoken.....it's just that mankind does not seem to use his perspective. But I beleive if we have his Ruach living in and through us we do have his perspective. Because he lives through us. So I don't have his Ruach because I see from the middle? Well that will throw me back years .
Well I guess that enlightenment of what I wrote did NOT come from him as I thought and praised him for. :(

Then how was he using the word 'new'? New as in recently made? Or unused? Unheard of?

It had to be new as he was not manifested on earth before to show the kind of love that he showed them, this is what he was speaking of wasn't it, unconditional love, love of another over oneself? Not just the love your neighbor by pulling out his ox out of a ditch if you saw it but loving him enough to die for him, for that is what happened right after he told them this. HaShem loved us enought to die for us in a lowered state of humanity and we too should be loving each other enough to give up our lives if it is to save another. Wasn't this something that Moshe did? But it was not known as it happened between him and HaShem and only those reading the records of torah afterwards would know this. He wasn't only willing to give up his mortal life but his eternal life to save all Israel.

new

as respects form
recently made, fresh, recent, unused, unworn

as respects substance


of a new kind, unprecedented, novel, uncommon, unheard of

The word for commandment is the same as for the ones in Torah



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But I don't know maybe what I am talking about. :scratch:

[visionary]

Neither one of you are far from the other. Worded different, but still on the same page, more of linear vs circular.

[Shimshon]

Zayit, Yeshua didn't add or subtract he completed. But yes only he could do that. And in so doing from a perspective in the middle looks like he added. So since I "see him as the only one that can do that" my perspective is from the middle?
and from a perspective from the end it is the completed fulfillment of the initial word spoken.....it's just that mankind does not seem to use his perspective. But I beleive if we have his Ruach living in and through us we do have his perspective. Because he lives through us. So I don't have his Ruach because I see from the middle? Well that will throw me back years .

Well I guess that enlightenment of what I wrote did NOT come from him as I thought and praised him for. :(
Not my intent what so ever.:sigh: Judgement of ones relationship with G-d is between them and G-d.

Zayit, It was exatly the opposite. I was speaking from the standpoint that we are both Ruach filled. I was never trying to make a claim that you are not.


Then how was he using the word 'new'? New as in recently made? Or unused? Unheard of?
Are you not refering to Yimreyahu 31? the "new" covenant"? It was my understanding that this "new" covenant consisted of the "old" covenant mitzvot only now they were placed in our heart by the Ruach who lives in it. Completing the process of the three-fold covenant. Avraham, Moshe, Yeshua. Thus completing the promises of all three and making them "Echad". (All be it the last part of this covenant is yet to be lived out. But the preparations and "radification" of these things have now come. i.e. Yeshua's sacrifice and the Ruach poured out on all flesh to receive)

It had to be new as he was not manifested on earth before to show the kind of love that he showed them,
This sounds to me like all who died before Yeshua never knew him at all. And I have come to the realization that EVERY single prophet knew and more spoke to Yeshua in Spirit. I beleive them to be (born again) Or are they not saved? King David knew Yeshua personally, though I know he never saw him face to face in a body. This man had "the heart of G-d" and the evidence is in the words that came from his mouth (tehillim). The same goes for Shlomo, Moshe, Yesha...Yimre....and so on. All knew the saving grace and love of Yeshua. BEFORE he was manifest in these times as a man for the kapparah of our sins.



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But I don't know maybe what I am talking about. :scratch:
Maybe we should look at this in full context of the writtings?
Seeing how this same writer spoke again of this "new" command.

1 John 2:7-8 Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command. On the contrary, it is an old command, which you have had from the beginning; the old command is the message which you have heard before.

8 Yet I am writing you a new command, and its reality is seen both in him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining.

2 John 1:5
And now, dear lady, I am requesting that we love one another - not as if this were a new command I am writing you, for it is the one which we have had from the beginning.


Yochanan here is using the very same speaking style as Yeshua. On the very same subject.

So again, my point is not to make a claim or try to get you to see you have not the Ruach. However quite the opposite. I would love you to realize the fulfilled completness of Yeshua's work. Though Avraham had yet seen any sign of his kingdom that would number more than the sands and the stars, he "trusted" that it was so. Or why else would his name be changed if he was not "already" spiritualy the father of many nations? Before Moshe had yet seen any sign that he would be empowered to save Yisrael from the bondage of Egypt, he "trusted" that it would be so. Or why else would he confront the "god" of the world with a staff in his hand? And now though Yeshua has radified his covenant with us, making it possible to receive the Ruach HaKosdesh in our hearts turning it from stone to flesh, we only see partly as in a mirror, but we "trust" that in the acharit hayamin it will be FACE TO FACE, knowing fully just as G-d has fully known us. Or why else did he sacrifice his body for us?