Loving question for Orthodox believers...

[Highway of Life]

I don't know much about the Orthodox faith, but is there a conection between the Orthodox faith and the Catholic faith?

Thanks
Highway of Life
"Hit the road jack"

[Moros]

They were the same thing for a little over a thousand years.

[Highway of Life]

They were the same thing for a little over a thousand years.!! What happened?:confused:

Sneeking across the Highwa....oof, got hit by a car.

[Moros]

Great Schism of 1054, which resulted in Rome leaving the undivided Church. The other Patriarchates: Alexandria, Constantinople, Jerusalem, and Antioch remained in union with each other.

[Highway of Life]

How do we know which one to believe?

Thanks,
Highway

[Dust and Ashes]

How do we know which one to believe?

Thanks,
Highway

I looked at how much each has changed since 1054. ;)

[prodromos]

Up until the schism in 1054 there were 7 Ecumenical Councils. Since then the Orthodox church has had two councils which were considered important (though not ecumenical) whereas the Catholic church has had fifteen and considers them all ecumenical.

Make of that what you will :)

John.

[countrymousenc]

Welcome to TAW, Highway :)

Here is a link to a site where you can read about the schism from the Orthodox pov. http://oca.org/pages/orth_chri/Orthodox-Faith/Bible-and-Church-History/index.html#church-history

You'll see a column on the right titled "Church History." I recommend starting with the first century, so that the other articles fully make sense.

[Marjorie]

How do we know which one to believe?

Thanks,
Highway
Glory to Jesus Christ, Highway!

Well, first of all, keep in mind that most Orthodox Christians do not see a dichotomy between Orthodoxy and Catholicism per se, but between the East (Orthodox Church) and the West (Catholicism and Protestantism.) From the Orthodox point of view, the question is whether to accept the West's general approach with all that it entails or the East's approach.

Orthodoxy is not crypto-Catholicism (I know you didn't say this but it's a common misconception among outsiders)-- it is singularly unique from both Catholicism and Protestantism.

But back to your question about the Schism... we have to look at history, and what the Church was before the Schism, and then see-- was the East or the West more faithful?

Also remember that there were five patriarchates-- four in the East and one in the West. People tend to think in terms of Rome vs. Constantinople, which truly would be a mess. But this wasn't the case. It was Rome vs. all the patriarchates of the East.

So basically the question is-- did four patriarchates (Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem) all fall into error at once and break off? Or did only one patriarchate (Rome) break off due to its misguided doctrines?

Anyway, for a basic outline of the differences between Catholicism and Orthodoxy, this site is very helpful:

http://www.forumishqiptar.com/archive/index.php/t-33952.html

In IC XC,
Marjorie

[Matrona]

So basically the question is-- did four patriarchates (Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem) all fall into heresy at once and break off? Or did only one patriarchate (Rome) break off due to its misguided doctrines?You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Marjorie again.* smites the repnazi with great force

To be fair, the west generally doesn't call us heretics. Orthodox, OTOH, generally believe that Rome has fallen into heresy.

I would also like to mention that since the schism, the RCC has adopted beliefs and doctrines that are contrary to an Orthodox worldview, and Protestants either inherited them (atonement theology, filioque for those that recite the Creed) or reacted so strongly to the Roman innovations that they threw the whole thing out (rejecting Mary as the Theotokos and worthy of veneration, non-Creedal protestants).

[Marjorie]

To be fair, the west generally doesn't call us heretics. Orthodox, OTOH, generally believe that Rome has fallen into heresy.That's a very good point, Matrona; I will edit my post for clarification.

[Highway of Life]

* smites the repnazi with great force

To be fair, the west generally doesn't call us heretics. Orthodox, OTOH, generally believe that Rome has fallen into heresy.

I would also like to mention that since the schism, the RCC has adopted beliefs and doctrines that are contrary to an Orthodox worldview, and Protestants either inherited them (atonement theology, filioque for those that recite the Creed) or reacted so strongly to the Roman innovations that they threw the whole thing out (rejecting Mary as the Theotokos and worthy of veneration, non-Creedal protestants).hmmm.... I guess that explains why Orthodox are opposed to Catholics comming in and saying anything in TAW.

Just to clarify: What beliefs or doctrines do you speak of? (About Heresy)

And a strange question: Does Orthodox believe in Darwin's theory?

Sorry for the bombardment of questions, I am trying to understand these things. I hope I don't come off offensive.

What do you mean by "West" and "East" since both Catholics and Protestants are worldwide.

Thanks for all your answers.
Blessings
Highway

[Marjorie]

Glory to Jesus Christ, Highway!

We're not opposed to Catholics... there are a few Catholics who post here regularly actually.

If you go to the link I gave (http://www.forumishqiptar.com/archive/index.php/t-33952.html) it gives an overview of the Catholic beliefs Orthodox Christians object to. My other Catholic friends who have asked me the same question found that site very helpful, especially as it is written from a former-Catholic's point of view.

In regards to Orthodoxy and evolution, as in Catholicism there are many different viewpoints, and none is considered dogma:

http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=9349936

In IC XC,
Marjorie

[Highway of Life]

Glory to Jesus Christ, Highway!

We're not opposed to Catholics... there are a few Catholics who post here regularly actually.

If you go to the link I gave (http://www.forumishqiptar.com/archive/index.php/t-33952.html) it gives an overview of the Catholic beliefs Orthodox Christians object to. My other Catholic friends who have asked me the same question found that site very helpful, especially as it is written from a former-Catholic's point of view.

In regards to Orthodoxy and evolution, as in Catholicism there are many different viewpoints, and none is considered dogma:

http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=9349936

In IC XC,
MarjorieThanks Marjorie.

I am glad to hear you guys are not opposed to Catholics. What about Protestants? I know that in the past the Orthodox church has excommunicated some Catholics. I did not know you could do that.

The fact that Orthodox believe that the Catholic and Protestant faiths are Heresy made me think that Orthodox disliked Catholics.

I did look at the link you gave. I think I will have my Catholic friend look at it also... Hold on, I'll PM him...

Thank you Marjorie, God Bless you.
Highway

[Marjorie]

Well, both the Catholic and Orthodox Patriarchs excommunicated each other in the 11th century. To excommunicate means to declare not in communion with the Church. The Catholic and Orthodox Churches are not in communion.

However the 'anathemas' on each other were removed under Patriarch Athenogoras, I believe.

We are generally not anti-Protestant as most people here are actually former Protestants. In fact in my experience, whilst there are a lot of extremist Orthodox, I've found most Orthodox to be less anti-Protestant than Catholics in general, mostly because Orthodoxy doesn't fit into the "Catholic/Protestant" dichotomy that exists in the West.

God bless you!

In IC XC,
Marjorie

[Highway of Life]

Well, both the Catholic and Orthodox Patriarchs excommunicated each other in the 11th century. To excommunicate means to declare not in communion with the Church. The Catholic and Orthodox Churches are not in communion.

However the 'anathemas' on each other were removed under Patriarch Athenogoras, I believe.

We are generally not anti-Protestant as most people here are actually former Protestants. In fact in my experience, whilst there are a lot of extremist Orthodox, I've found most Orthodox to be less anti-Protestant than Catholics in general, mostly because Orthodoxy doesn't fit into the "Catholic/Protestant" dichotomy that exists in the West.

God bless you!

In IC XC,
MarjorieHuh, Interesting.
There seems to be a wide range of mindsets amoung Orthodoxy, almost as much as Catholics. But probably less than Protestants.

What exactly do you mean by "West" since Catholics are all over the world?

Thanks,
Highway

[Rilian]

East and West is a generic way of describing the linguistic and theological divide that separates the two halves of Christendom that were once united. There are now Orthodox, Catholics and Protestants in nearly every part of the world, so strictly speaking the divide is really no longer geographical.

[gzt]

What do we mean by West? Well, Orthodox are all over the world, too, but we're referred to as Eastern. We refer to them as West because, historically, that is their source, just as Orthodoxy's historical locus is in the East. Even they refer to themselves as Western. It's simply a convenient label.

[Marjorie]

When I say "West" I don't really mean West, but it's just a way of saying Orthodoxy as opposed to Catholicism/Protestantism. In general, Orthodoxy is centered in the East, and Catholicism is centered in the West. But both are all over the world.

In IC XC,
Marjorie

[InnerPhyre]

*

To be fair, the west generally doesn't call us heretics.

You're right in that. We think you guys are wicked cool :cool:

We are generally not anti-Protestant as most people here are actually former Protestants. In fact in my experience, whilst there are a lot of extremist Orthodox, I've found most Orthodox to be less anti-Protestant than Catholics in general, mostly because Orthodoxy doesn't fit into the "Catholic/Protestant" dichotomy that exists in the West.



That's cuz you guys get dive bombed by Protestants far less than we do ;) Many Protestants don't even know you guys exist

[Marjorie]

That's cuz you guys get dive bombed by Protestants far less than we do ;) Many Protestants don't even know you guys existHahaha good point!

In IC XC,
Marjorie

[gzt]

And if they do know we exist, they just think we're ethnic Catholics or backward peasants. Fun! Though, really, with all the inaccuracies of their criticisms of Catholicism, it doesn't matter much, does it?

[ExOrienteLux]

That's cuz you guys get dive bombed by Protestants far less than we do ;) Many Protestants don't even know you guys exist
And for the most part, I'd be happy to keep it that way. One Jack Chick is more than enough, thank you VERY much. Watch out for that Death Cookie, Phyre! *rolleyes*

[InnerPhyre]

And for the most part, I'd be happy to keep it that way. One Jack Chick is more than enough, thank you VERY much. Watch out for that Death Cookie, Phyre! *rolleyes*
I'm a slave to the death cookie lol

[Groovy]

Got your PM.
I did read the link, very interesting. Bummer he has a few things about Catholics mis-pegged. Oh well, out of respect, I should not debate that here.

It even inlightened me though, I had no idea that Orthodox and Catholics where that seperated. Yet on the same level, really I think the Orthodox church and the Catholic church are not that far apart. I think they are closer than any other church/belief/religion. What do you guys think?

Highway, If you read that link, you will see the heresy that they talk about.

Blessings to all of you!

P.S. What is a death cookie? :sick:

[Groovy]

Question: Do Orthodox have a Pope of some kind? or Bishops?

Thanks!
√Groovy

[prodromos]

I had no idea that Orthodox and Catholics where that seperated. Yet on the same level, really I think the Orthodox church and the Catholic church are not that far apart.

Externally we may look very similiar, but internally there is a world of difference :).

John

[Groovy]

Externally we may look very similiar, but internally there is a world of difference :).

JohnYeah, I noticed.;) But they were the same for 1054 years. Does Orthodox also have Apostolic Sucsession?

Thanks,
√Groovy

[ExOrienteLux]

P.S. What is a death cookie? :sick: It's a reference to a Jack Chick propaganda tract where he, though some very odd mental and logical acrobatics, equated belief in the Real Presence to worship of the Egyptian ruler of the Underworld, Osiris. And yes, that's about our reaction to Jack Chick's cr#p, too.

Question: Do Orthodox have a Pope of some kind? or Bishops? Well, there is a Pope: His Holiness Patriarch THEODOROS II, Pope of the See of St. Mark, Bishop of Alexandria and Shepherd of All Africa. But, he only has authority in his jurisdiction. The Bishop who's given the place of honour among Orthodox as primus inter pares , first among equals, in His All-Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch BARTHLOMEW II, Archbishop of Constantinople and New Rome, who presides over the See of St. Andrew. There are indeed bishops in Orthodoxy, and you can find a list of the heads of the various jurisdictions here (http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org).

Does Orthodox also have Apostolic Sucsession? Most definitely. Each Bishop is raised to the Episcopacy by three other bishops, all of whom have been elevated in the same way and who can trace their 'lineage', as it were, back to the Apostles and Christ. In addition, most (if not all) of the Apostolic Sees are still occupied and have been since their inception. For instance, the See of St. James in Jerusalem has been occupied for nigh on 1970 years, and is presently occupied by His Holiness Patriarch EIRENEOS.

Hope this is helpful. Oh, and welcome to TAW! :wave:

+IC XC NIKA+
Josh.

[MariaRegina]

Got your PM.
I did read the link, very interesting. Bummer he has a few things about Catholics mis-pegged. Oh well, out of respect, I should not debate that here.

It even inlightened me though, I had no idea that Orthodox and Catholics where that seperated. Yet on the same level, really I think the Orthodox church and the Catholic church are not that far apart. I think they are closer than any other church/belief/religion. What do you guys think?

Highway, If you read that link, you will see the heresy that they talk about.

Blessings to all of you!

P.S. What is a death cookie? :sick:



The death cookie is chick's name for our Holy Mystery of the Eucharist.

Have you ever read John 6:66 - the first antichrist's where those disciples of Christ who rejected Christ's teaching on the Holy Eucharist. So where does that leave Chick?

[MariaRegina]

Question: Do Orthodox have a Pope of some kind? or Bishops?

Thanks!
√Groovy


Yes, Groovy, the Orthodox Church has bishops, but no Pope as you know him.
The Pope is the Bishop of Rome.

[prodromos]

Yes, Groovy, the Orthodox Church has bishops, but no Pope as you know him.

For some strange reason, I now have the voice of Dr Spock in my head saying, "Its Pope, Jim, but not as we know it"
:scratch::D

[Dust and Ashes]

For some strange reason, I now have the voice of Dr Spock in my head saying, "Its Pope, Jim, but not as we know it"
:scratch::D
Fascinating...

[The Virginian]

In the current understanding of the term "Pope", there's not one among the Orthodox. However, there is one jurisdiction which calls their patriarch, "Pope". Although I'm not sure, I do believe that they are mainly in Africa, and may be Coptic Orthodox.



the sinful and unworthy servant

[Matrona]

It even inlightened me though, I had no idea that Orthodox and Catholics where that seperated. Yet on the same level, really I think the Orthodox church and the Catholic church are not that far apart. I think they are closer than any other church/belief/religion. What do you guys think?

Not really. You guys are much closer to Protestants than we are to either of you. If you go through a checklist of beliefs you might be given the impression that Catholics and Orthodox are similar, but if you compare our beliefs on the nature of sin, the nature of the Most Holy Trinity, the Eucharist, who has infallible authority, the liturgy, and ecclesiastical structure... there are huge differences in each of these between us and Catholics.

[Groovy]

Not really. You guys are much closer to Protestants than we are to either of you. If you go through a checklist of beliefs you might be given the impression that Catholics and Orthodox are similar, but if you compare our beliefs on the nature of sin, the nature of the Most Holy Trinity, the Eucharist, who has infallible authority, the liturgy, and ecclesiastical structure... there are huge differences in each of these between us and Catholics.True, you are right, the Catholic Church re-thought their theological stance and went back to parrallel the beliefs of the early church.

BTW It's a shame to me to think about the "theological wars" that go on between the Protestants and Catholics. The Church needs to be more united.

Question: Have any of you heard about the revival in Fiji?

Blessings,
√Groovy

[Highway of Life]

Well, there is a Pope: His Holiness Patriarch THEODOROS II, Pope of the See of St. Mark, Bishop of Alexandria and Shepherd of All Africa. But, he only has authority in his jurisdiction. The Bishop who's given the place of honour among Orthodox as primus inter pares , first among equals, in His All-Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch BARTHLOMEW II, Archbishop of Constantinople and New Rome, who presides over the See of St. Andrew.

Hope this is helpful. Oh, and welcome to TAW! :wave:

+IC XC NIKA+
Josh.
I think this is the part where people say 'Bump'... or whatever. ;)

Thank you Josh.

Actually, I had another question...
Are there several 'Popes'? Rather than just one? And if so, who is the 'Pope' over the U.S.?

Thanks guys!
Highway

[Highway of Life]

I think this is the part where people say 'Bump'... or whatever. ;)

Thank you Josh.

Actually, I had another question...
Are there several 'Popes'? Rather than just one? And if so, who is the 'Pope' over the U.S.?

Thanks guys!
Highway
Ooops! my mistake, you guys already answered this question.
I was also curious about if there are any Orthodox churches in the Fiji Islands, are there?

Thanks
HoL

[Highway of Life]

Not really. You guys are much closer to Protestants than we are to either of you. If you go through a checklist of beliefs you might be given the impression that Catholics and Orthodox are similar, but if you compare our beliefs on the nature of sin, the nature of the Most Holy Trinity, the Eucharist, who has infallible authority, the liturgy, and ecclesiastical structure... there are huge differences in each of these between us and Catholics.Is there somewhere where I can read what Orthodox believe about these things: Sin, Trinity, Eucharist, and Authority?

HoL

[33ad]

Is there somewhere where I can read what Orthodox believe about these things: Sin, Trinity, Eucharist, and Authority?

HoL
I think you may find answers to a lot of your questions Here: http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/index.aspx

He is risen indeed!
Kolya

[Highway of Life]

I think you may find answers to a lot of your questions Here: http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/index.aspx

He is risen indeed!
Kolyaokay, thanks.

HoL

[Theophorus]

Is there somewhere where I can read what Orthodox believe about these things: Sin, Trinity, Eucharist, and Authority?

HoL

This was the first thing I was given to read during my catechism. It is probably one of the most familiar writings in TAW, though it may not answer those questions specifically, I think it is one of the best places to begin an understanding of Orthodox theology.

http://www.orthodoxpress.org/parish/river_of_fire.htm

[Highway of Life]

I think you may find answers to a lot of your questions Here: http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/index.aspx

He is risen indeed!
KolyaI might be missing something but I did not find what I was looking for there.

Could you point me to the articles with the Orthodox position on Sin, Trinity, Eucharist, and Authority?

Thanks
HoL

[Highway of Life]

This was the first thing I was given to read during my catechism. It is probably one of the most familiar writings in TAW, though it may not answer those questions specifically, I think it is one of the best places to begin an understanding of Orthodox theology.

http://www.orthodoxpress.org/parish/river_of_fire.htmOkay thanks, I will check it out...

HoL

[Highway of Life]

This was the first thing I was given to read during my catechism. It is probably one of the most familiar writings in TAW, though it may not answer those questions specifically, I think it is one of the best places to begin an understanding of Orthodox theology.

http://www.orthodoxpress.org/parish/river_of_fire.htmWell, it is a lot to wade through, and it is not exactly what I am looking for. But thanks for the link :)

For one, I found a lot of things he said about "Western Theology" extreemly incorrect. But, that is another subject.

I know that the Catholic church has a website where you can read into the specific beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church, but I am looking for a Orthodox website with a list of beliefs as well.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
HoL

[Highway of Life]

Okay, here, I am looking for an Orthodox version of this... http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp#i

Thanks
HoL

[Theophorus]

try this

http://oca.org/pages/orth_chri/Orthodox-Faith/Doctrine/index.html

hope this helps

[33ad]

Oh well, we should also have pointed you to Fr Alexander.
http://www.fatheralexander.org/page6.htm

Trinity: http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/god.htm

Eucharist: http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/sacraments_e.htm#n5

Sin: http://www.frederica.com/orthodox/infraction-infection.html

Authority: http://www.htaoc.com/faith/library/articles/authority.html

You may use google to find a lot of this too. I just entered:"Orthodox view of ....." and out it comes.

He is risen indeed!
Kolya

[ufonium2]

Does Orthodox also have Apostolic Sucsession?


Actually, we have 80% of it. You guys have the other 20% :P

Forgive me if I'm telling you stuff you already know, but there are five recognized Apostolic Sees in the world: Antioch, Rome, Jerusalem, Constantinople, and Alexandria. Catholics trace their Apostolic succession through Rome. The other four Sees are Orthodox, and all Orthodox bishops trace their Apostolic succession back to one of them.

So, my bishop's apostolic succession can be traced back to the Apostle St. Andrew and the See of Constantinople. Matrona's bishop (using her as an example cause she's the first TAW Antiochian that popped into my head) traces his succession back to the Apostle Peter (the Peter, the same one the Catholic Church is founded on) and the See of Antioch. It's important to note that Peter founded the church at Antioch before he founded the church at Rome, so why the Patriarch of Antioch doesn't have all that primacy and authority and infallibility is beyond me;)

So yeah, we've got Apostolic succession.

[Wiffey]

You're right in that. We think you guys are wicked cool :cool:



That's cuz you guys get dive bombed by Protestants far less than we do ;) Many Protestants don't even know you guys exist
Thanks! Sending y'all a big :hug: .

LOL you DO get a lot of guff from the Protestants. Sometimes I think that if the Pope came out in favor of air that alot of Protestants would start holding their breath, just to prove a point!

[Wiffey]

Actually, we have 80% of it. You guys have the other 20% :P

Forgive me if I'm telling you stuff you already know, but there are five recognized Apostolic Sees in the world: Antioch, Rome, Jerusalem, Constantinople, and Alexandria. Catholics trace their Apostolic succession through Rome. The other four Sees are Orthodox, and all Orthodox bishops trace their Apostolic succession back to one of them.

So, my bishop's apostolic succession can be traced back to the Apostle St. Andrew and the See of Constantinople. Matrona's bishop (using her as an example cause she's the first TAW Antiochian that popped into my head) traces his succession back to the Apostle Peter (the Peter, the same one the Catholic Church is founded on) and the See of Antioch. It's important to note that Peter founded the church at Antioch before he founded the church at Rome, so why the Patriarch of Antioch doesn't have all that primacy and authority and infallibility is beyond me;)

So yeah, we've got Apostolic succession....Thwarted again by the rep police...
Ufonium2, you have a way of just getting to the point AND making me chuckle.
Thanks!

[Matrona]

Actually, we have 80% of it. You guys have the other 20% :P
To be fair, some Orthodox do not recognize anyone as having apostolic succession who is outside the communion of the Orthodox Church, including the Roman Catholic church (as an aside, in this scenario, ROCOR still has apostolic succession, they're just out of communion with most of Orthodoxy).

But yes, we also have the concept of apostolic succession--we differ with the Roman Catholic church in regards to how it is transmitted, though.

It's important to note that Peter founded the church at Antioch before he founded the church at Rome, so why the Patriarch of Antioch doesn't have all that primacy and authority and infallibility is beyond me;)
Oh, he does have that primacy, he just doesn't like to advertise it. ;) :D

But yes, the See of Antioch is the See of St Peter. If the See of Rome were still in communion with the Orthodox, it would be called the See of Ss Peter and Paul.

[Suzannah]

To be fair, some Orthodox do not recognize anyone as having apostolic succession who is outside the communion of the Orthodox Church, including the Roman Catholic church (as an aside, in this scenario, ROCOR still has apostolic succession, they're just out of communion with most of Orthodoxy).

But yes, we also have the concept of apostolic succession--we differ with the Roman Catholic church in regards to how it is transmitted, though.


Oh, he does have that primacy, he just doesn't like to advertise it. ;) :D

But yes, the See of Antioch is the See of St Peter. If the See of Rome were still in communion with the Orthodox, it would be called the See of Ss Peter and Paul.
Thanks for this Matrona! Hey do you by any chance, know where we can find all the succession listed for each See? I know this has come up before and I thought someone , maybe you, had posted it? I'd like to copy it and print it just for my own "files"....any ideas?

[Xpycoctomos]

Excellent post Ufonium. One thing though:

It's important to note that Peter founded the church at Antioch before he founded the church at Rome, so why the Patriarch of Antioch doesn't have all that primacy and authority and infallibility is beyond me;) The primacy Rome enjoyed in the Early Church had little to do with Peter having founded that patriarchate (in fact, it is even questioned whether it was he who founded it since there was already an established Church there when he arrived). From what I've read this Primacy is due to

1) socio-economico-political reasons (i.e. Rome was the Political and economic Capital of Christendom at the time)

2) in the face of many herseies, She remained the most consistent and strong in the early Church and

3) Ss Peter and Paul were martyred there.

These Saints were easily two of the greatest and most influential apostles of the Church (if we had to rank them) so if Rome were to return home they woould still rightly earn a place of great honor and distinction in the Church because of the latter point. And this is why Antioch was never given the "primus inter pares" title; because this place of honor had little or nothing to do with Peter's Bishopric.

Interstingly enough, I learned this from reading a Catholic source... I believe it was Congar (very important Catholic Theologian who worked closely with the Vatican during Vatican II). This was later confirmed for me by Orthodox sources.

God bless,

John

[Matrona]

Thanks for this Matrona! Hey do you by any chance, know where we can find all the succession listed for each See? I know this has come up before and I thought someone , maybe you, had posted it? I'd like to copy it and print it just for my own "files"....any ideas?
I don't think I was the one who posted that, but I would be interested in having a thread to discuss Apostolic Succession in TAW if someone could find that information.

[LamorakDesGalis]

LOL you DO get a lot of guff from the Protestants. Sometimes I think that if the Pope came out in favor of air that alot of Protestants would start holding their breath, just to prove a point!

Did he now??? Well, I'd better get me an oxygen tank...

[Matrona]

Did he now??? Well, I'd better get me an oxygen tank...
LOL! Welcome to TAW :)

[Brother Charlie]

:cry:

[Highway of Life]

Did he now??? Well, I'd better get me an oxygen tank...http://www3.christianforums.com/images/mood/Happy.gifhttp://www3.christianforums.com/images/mood/Happy.gifROTFLhttp://www3.christianforums.com/images/mood/Happy.gif

[Highway of Life]

:cry::amen::cry:

[Xpycoctomos]

LOL you DO get a lot of guff from the Protestants. Sometimes I think that if the Pope came out in favor of air that alot of Protestants would start holding their breath, just to prove a point!


Quite Witty... I love it! lol