Is anti-semitism a sign of the end?

[blessed2]

I recieved this news letter today from the left behind club.



The Bible predicts the Antichrist will rise out of a reunited Roman Empire and bring with it a wave of anti-Semitic terror. Current events now reveal that anti-Semitism is brewing among Europe's cultural elite.

Consider these recent developments:

A cartoon in a major Italian newspaper depicted the baby Jesus in a manger threatened by an Israeli tank. Jesus was shown saying, "Don't tell me they want to kill me again."
The results of a EU commissioned study revealed that European Muslims and the European left were to blame for the increase in violence against Jews.
A poll by the EU revealed that the majority of Europeans believe that Israel is the greatest threat to world peace.
19% percent of Germans agree with the best-selling German book that maintains the CIA and Israeli Mossad organized the September 11 attacks.


Mel Gibson's new movie The Passion of the Christ has received repeated criticism for being anti-Semitic.
In all the furor over the movie, the real anti-Semitism in the world today is being overlooked. The real anti-Semitism today is not found in Gibson's movie or with American Christians. It's the festering, mainstream, political anti-Semitism that's brewing in Europe among its cultural elite.
Pray. Pray. Pray.

here's a link if you'd like to read the full article.
secure.agoramedia.com/index_leftbehind.html

[ShirChadash]

It's the festering, mainstream, political anti-Semitism that's brewing in Europe among its cultural elite.
THAT is the truth as well. Europe is swelling with a festering anti-semitism right now, yes.

[Domi_Adsum_05]

I think anti-Semitism is a sign of the beginning, middle, and End. It's certainly not a new phenomenon. :sigh:

[Plan 9]

Tribe has it right. :sigh:

[ShirChadash]

:( :( yup yup -- I couldn't have said it better myself. (which is why I... didn't)

[Talmidah]

I think anti-Semitism is a sign of the beginning, middle, and End. It's certainly not a new phenomenon.
Why why why do you have to be right about this? :cry: :cry: :cry:

[mbams]

I think anti-Semitism is a sign of the beginning, middle, and End. It's certainly not a new phenomenon. :sigh:


I agree. It is something I have come across throughout my history degree. A couple of my friends recently commented on how they have discovered so much anti-Semitism throughout the various writings they study in school (both very old and new).

[Domi_Adsum_05]

I agree. It is something I have come across throughout my history degree. A couple of my friends recently commented on how they have discovered so much anti-Semitism throughout the various writings they study in school (both very old and new).
What makes it even worse, IMHO, is the fact that this history makes some people say (as I have seen on websites), "Well, so many countries have hated the Jews - they can't all be wrong!" :mad:

[ILY]

Shalom all,
I agree with Tribes sentiments as well.
We can't stop the hate, but I feel sorry for those who do!!

As it is written:Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Shalom and shalom to all
ILY<><

[Bonhoffer]

<quote>
Consider these recent developments:

A poll by the EU revealed that the majority of Europeans believe that Israel is the greatest threat to world peace.

19% percent of Germans agree with the best-selling German book that maintains the CIA and Israeli Mossad organized the September 11 attacks.</quote>

I'm afraid these latter two points dont nessicarily reveal anti-semitism.
Since when is criticism of a countrys government equal to hatred of a race of people ?

By the same logic this would mean that when Bush declared Iraq as the Greatest Threat to World Peace, it would mean that Bush hates all Arabs ?

As for the second point; well I beleive that the Gestapo killed and tortured many people, but yet I don't hate the Germans.

I'll say it again; How is criticism of a countries government and security force the same as hatred against an ethnic group?

Its completly illogical and the more rubbish like this that comes out the worse it will be for everyone. I can only see these stupid statements increasing anti-semitism.

[P_G]

But be of good cheer bretheren!

For in these last days though the abominiations will be great
G-ds mercy will be equally great

Just as the days of Pharoh will we see things that we have not even dreamed to see.
Wonderous works at the hand of G-d.

It will be horrible but it will be awesome at the same time!

Who are we that G-d should leave us as orphans?

Blessings

Pastor George :wave:

[blessed2]

Bonhoffer,
This not an accussation against individual European people.
There were German people who fought for, shielded, hid, etc. the Jewish people but
as we see, it only takes a majority group or a powerful one to take these attitudes in order to start a genocide.

A cartoon in a major Italian newspaper depicted the baby Jesus in a manger threatened by an Israeli tank. Jesus was shown saying, "Don't tell me they want to kill me again."
Hmmm..... wasn't it them who tortured, beat and drove the nails? Funny you never hear people say the Italians Killed Chr-st.

[Bonhoffer]

Your logic is flawed and here's why:




If those points do not connotate Anti-Semitism then what does? What many people fail to see is that Anti-Semitism does not simply start with all-out acts of hate and crime. Anti-Semitisim starts in a horrific and deceptive thought process. It's statements like the above that only prove Anti-Smeitism is on the rise. It is not Israel that is a great threat to world peace, it's who surrounds Israel and wishes to wipe Israel off the face of the map - The Arab nations. It is a scary statistic indeed that 19% if Germans agree that Israel was behind September 11th. It;s frightening because these are identical thought processes and misinformation that occureed prior to the Holocaust. Teh Holocaust didn't happen over night... it started with perpetual lies, deception and diseased though processes. This is not merely criticism of Governement... that is merely a clever excuse on behalf of Anti-Semitic people to make you believe otherwise.

That is simply flawed thinking because you are trying to tie in two completely different scenarios to draw one conclusion, and that doesn't work.

Good... but would you openly defend Germans that did kill and torture people? That is the root issue here. We're talking about the already guilty, not the innocent.

By using false information, lies and deception, Anti-Semitism is growing rapidly. Once we tear away the excuse of Criticism, we see the root of the issue is not one's Government but the conspiracy to plot others against one race of people to ultimately lead to their annhiliation. History proves this time and time again.

Rubbish and illogical? Be careful what you say because you have a world of evidence surrounding you that proves otherwise. Anti-Semitism has and always will exist... it's those that deny it's existence that cause the most damage and allow a Holocaust to happen.
You see stupid statements, while I see the Enemy has caught people in his trap.

Sorry, I still disagree. I'm not saying that there are'nt real anti-semites hiding behind the Criticism of Isreal banner, I'm just saying that there are many people who arent anti-Jewish who criticise Isreal.
What about Jewish people who criticise Israel? Are they anti-Semitic?

An American friend of mine beleives that the CIA knew about the plans for 9/11 in advance and chose not to stop it because they wanted to use to attacks to justify wars etc... Is this guy anti-American for criticising his government?

It annoys me that some people seem to think that unless you see Israel as pure and Holy you are a Nazi!
I'm not saying that this is what you beleive, but it is the image coming from some of Israels supporters. (both Jew and Gentile)

If we consider that there are corrupt extremists of all races and nationalities then couldnt this mean that there are some bad Zionists and extreme Jews?

I sometimes get the feeling that 'some' Zionists play the racism card in order to shut up legitimate criticism of Israel.
Some of these Zionists in my veiw have even used the Horrors of the Holocaust to justify Israeli policies. If this is the case then they have let down the Jewish people and insulted the memories of those who were tragically murdered.

If this isnt the case then the 'only Nazis critcise Israel' veiw of some people will only flare up tentions against Jewish people.

Maybe this is Satans plan for world domination?

[Bonhoffer]

Another point is this:

Did'nt Jesus criticise the Israeli government of the time ?

But yet we wouldnt call Him anti-semitic.

St Paul criticised Judaism, but was Jewish.

When someone criticises Israel we have to look deeper to see if their motives are genuine or not .

If we ban legitimate criticism of Israel then we ban freedom of speech. As soon as our right to free speech goes we end up with what ? Fascism.

[blessed2]

Some of these Zionists in my veiw have even used the Horrors of the Holocaust
Please don't reply to this quickly. Take a moment to really think about this post first
then reply. Did you use this link and read the whole article and how it relates to "The end times?" Just curious.

Ok....
You may know someone in your life who was treated very badly by a boyfriend, girlfriend or spouse and because of that it is very difficult for them to trust others...
they have difficulties in relationships.....they judge and critique the next boyfriend etc. very harshly because of it.
I myself was one of those children that you sometimes hear about that was raised in an abusive home. I was abused in everyway that you can imagine. I can tell you that even today a simple phrase, smell, attitude in another, touch......can transport me right back to that childhood. That fear, pain and dispare crashes in on me like a flood. If you truely understand what happened to these people, view those pictures, read the accounts and knowing that that time was not so very long ago....so near to my lifetime that I can almost touch it and in the lifetime of others....people who actually survived it and how it has touched the generations of these survivers....it's huge....this is not ancient history. As much as I suffered, it was nothing compared to this.
Am I to say that they have no right to be fearful, untrusting and affected in everyway that I am and more?
Can you imagine that it happened to you and your friends and your family?
What amazes and repulses me is that it could have happened at all. That there are people in this world who could do that to other human beings. I couldn't percieve doing those things to any living creature!
I think you stated the entire case and point yourself:
When someone criticises Israel we have to look deeper to see if their motives are genuine or not .The point that WE HAVE TO LOOK.
The point of studying history is to ensure with all our power that something like this never repeats itself.

[visionary]

When you see the abomination of desolation in the holy place ...flee to the wilderness. It is so true that the tension is growing. Pray....Pray...Pray