Yassin Killed: A Big Day For Israel

[JewishHeart]

What is your opinion of the killing of Sheik Yassid today, the founder of Hamas? The world condemns it besides America, but is the world justified for condemning the killing of such an evil man when they would have thought it justified to kill Hitler, Stalin, or Mussolini? Please pray for Israel during this tense day. The Palestinians are more furious than ever, but Israel strands on the promises of God against their enemies.

[P_G]

What is your opinion of the killing of Sheik Yassid today, the founder of Hamas? The world condemns it besides America, but is the world justified for condemning the killing of such an evil man when they would have thought it justified to kill Hitler, Stalin, or Mussolini? Please pray for Israel during this tense day. The Palestinians are more furious than ever, but Israel strands on the promises of God against their enemies.
My greatest concern is for the days ahead. It really sounded like the Palestinians were going to use this as a rallying point.

Perhaps though the final battle is forming. If this is the case I say buldoze the Dome of the Rock... Rebuild Ha'Shems Holy temple there.... And let what has been ordained from the begining of time happen in my lifetime.

Sorry to get all end times on ya but I think it happens sooner rather than later. I pray the ultimate peace for G-d's holy city!

Blessings

PG :wave:

[Eusebios]

I regret the killing of anyone, as we are all creaturees made in God's image.
His unworthy servant,
Eusebios.
:bow:

[Pray4Isrel]

I applaud them for ridding an evil man and sending him to his death.

Now we will see the true colors of Hamas because now they have threatened the USA as well as Israel.

I am praying...

[Hix]

It is about time this murderous bloodthirsty thug was pinged off. All he did was preach hate and anger, and created a terrorist group that had no intention of existence other than to kill as many Jews as possible and see the total annihilation of Eretz Yisrael.

Regardless, things are going to get very rough....I would invite everyone in our group to pray for Israel and the Jewish people, for their safety from this menace and in this troubling time.

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

[P_G]

Regardless, things are going to get very rough....I would invite everyone in our group to pray for Israel and the Jewish people, for their safety from this menace and in this troubling time.

A agree with Hix and since he has a picture of the western wall right there then spirtually anyway I place this prayer in the cracks of the wall:


Beloved Father G-d
Adonai please hear from your throne in heaven. Bring peace to Jerusalem. Let the children again play in the streets, let the old men sip coffee at tables and study the Torah and raise your Holy name. Please oh Lord no more wailing of mothers for lost sons. Exchange the oil of mourning for the oil of gladness.

El'kodosh raise your mighty right arm even now and vaquish the foes of Y'sreal even utterly destroying them with your mighty right arm Adonai Tsvot! For you are our hope and the salvation of the sons of Abraham. Blessed be your name forever!

Your unworthy servant
George :bow:

[ILY]

Shalom all,
I certainly pray for the shalom of Jerusalem, and all H_S children.I also pray H_S Glory be your rear guard.
One can only imagine what types of things are being planned as we speak. :(

In H_M be all praise and Glory now and forever. :pray:

Also an unworthy servant :bow:
ILY<><

[mylene]

This is indeed a time for serious prayers. However, there is nothiing

much these evil people can do that they have not tried before.

May the Lord bless Israel.

[Talmidah]

It is about time this murderous bloodthirsty thug was pinged off. All he did was preach hate and anger, and created a terrorist group that had no intention of existence other than to kill as many Jews as possible and see the total annihilation of Eretz Yisrael. Exactly!

I would invite everyone in our group to pray for Israel and the Jewish people, for their safety from this menace and in this troubling time.Omeyn!!!! :pray: :cry:

[Multi-Elis]

I am concerned for the days ahead too.


Where are the ghandis and the M.L.Kings? I am asking that because I realised that Yassin is the opposite of these people, even though he ended up paying for it with his life like they did.

[Andre]

It's a dificult situation because those terrorist leaders have brainwashed the people with their hate for Israel, so if they are alive they will do whatever they can to destroy Israelis, if they are killed the people will seek revange on their own. So it's a situation that only G-d can solve, and I believe it's going to happen soon, the stage is set for the end times, it's only a matter of time now...

Israel needs prayer.

Shalom,
Andre.

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[Domi_Adsum_05]

I was telling my wife the other day that if I were a terrorist, I'd just watch American TV and see how America reacts.
That would tell me that the best way to make America back down is to say that we are bombing everyone because America (or, specifically George W. Bush) sides with Israel.
American television would show me that Americans hate to be unpopular AND (most importantly) anything negative we might say about President Bush would be received with delight, regardless of whether it was true or not.
I'm surprised that shoplifters today aren't saying that they were pushed into a life of crime by the fact that America supports Israel. It seems that they'd get all charges against them dismissed.

[Aethelsige]

The world is offended by the killing of a major terrorist leader. This says one thing that the world does not believe Isreal has a right to exist. To wit the only response is soooooo what.

[Charlesinflorida]

The second focus of all this is that Kerry has (as I understand it) promisesd to apologize to Iraq for the war there and withdawl from the "War on Terror". Much as the spanish have already done at the poles last week. Because Kerry makes this campaign promise at a time when Spain buckling under terrist pressure, and dividing the coalition, it sets the U.S. in a position of great vulnerability for a devasating terrorist attack, in order to forward the Kerry option. This would also effectively tie the hands of the U.S. from being a shield for Israel. It is no oversight by God that the U.S. in not forseen in end times prophecy. We are there, but we are incosequential by that time. The U.S. looks to be out of the picture very soon. Right now, we are as vulnerable as Israel, perhaps more so.

It is hard to believe that the U.S. citizens are so quickly lulled back to sleep so soon after the events of 9-11.

We always pray for the peace of Jerusalem and potection of Israel as a family every day. Have done so for years. We will be as watchmen on the walls.

Charles the Messimaniac

[ILY]

Shalom all,

You go Charles!!! :clap:

It baffles me how quickly this lull has happened. :scratch:
Good post nonetheless! ;)

In H_M :bow:
ILY<>< :wave:

[BigToe]

i think we should pray for all innocent people over there- israeli or palestinian. there are lots of people who are going to be suffering because of the extreme acts of a few. thats what grosses me out most.

[Pray4Isrel]

i think we should pray for all innocent people over there- israeli or palestinian. there are lots of people who are going to be suffering because of the extreme acts of a few. thats what grosses me out most.A few?
You are in a forum full of people that have been to Israel, live there and have studied it for years. You are also in a forum full of Jewish people that understand what it's like to be hated, misrepresented and discriminated against. The terrorists want us dead and they want you dead. Did you not see them chanting on the news today for the destruction of Israel and the UNITED STATES???
These terrorists are not few... they are everywhere and they are infiltrating. They don't just want Jews dead... they want YOU dead too. When people finalyy realize this, they will stop defending the enemies of G-d.
The Israelis are innocent, the Palestinian/Arab terrorists are fully guilty.
I am tired of people defending murderers that strap on dynamite and blow up babies and men and women in cafes.

Sorry, I can't take this anymore. People blindly defend the enemies of G-d.

Pardon my zeal... it's a battle I fight everyday: to defend Israel by educating and informing people that would rather listen to the media instead of valid sources.

[P_G]

Hi

This is your pal and brother Pastor George
I have attached a picture of where I used to work
Actually the place I used to work is now a big
hole in the ground filled with corpses
It was on the southern tip of Manhatten

It was a nice building well actually several nice
buildings and lots of people worked there
and one day lots of people died there.

They died there because some filthy vermon
er umm misguided men flew fuel laden airplanes into them.
I took this picture from New Jersey 3 days later.
The air was filled with smoke and the smell
of burnt flesh was everywhere.

I was supposed to be in that building that morning
But G-d said no I want you to do something else for me
so you stay home.

I should have died that day
My hands shake every day
I have something the Dr's call PTSD
It makes me cry at night a lot.

So if one of the buddies of those men who hurt so many people
and hurt the friends of mine that live in Isreal got blown up.
Please don't think less of me because I do not seem too
upset or if I don't pray for them.
Their god doesn't exist anyway
so there is no one to listen to those prayers.

Blessings
I am going to go puke now


Pastor George :cry:

[BigToe]

A few?
You are in a forum full of people that have been to Israel, live there and have studied it for years. You are also in a forum full of Jewish people that understand what it's like to be hated, misrepresented and discriminated against. The terrorists want us dead and they want you dead. Did you not see them chanting on the news today for the destruction of Israel and the UNITED STATES???
These terrorists are not few... they are everywhere and they are infiltrating.
The Israelis are innocent, the Palestinian/Arab terrorists are fully guilty.
I am tired of people defending murderers that strap on dynamite and blow up babies and men and women in cafes.

Sorry, I can't take this anymore. People blindly defend the enemies of G-d.

CALM DOWN HUN, i wasn't defending anyone. I was saying there are innocent people on both sides that are going to get hurt in fighting that is inevitably going to take place. Yes there are murderers. Do NOT assume you know what I was saying. WE need to pray for EVERYONE over there. Not just one side. Not all Palestinians are bad people you know. Some of them don't want this fighting to happen any more than you or i do.

[Pray4Isrel]

CALM DOWN HUN, i wasn't defending anyone. I was saying there are innocent people on both sides that are going to get hurt in fighting that is inevitably going to take place. Yes there are murderers. Do NOT assume you know what I was saying. WE need to pray for EVERYONE over there. Not just one side. Not all Palestinians are bad people you know. Some of them don't want this fighting to happen any more than you or i do.

I won't "Calm Down" until Israel is defended justly. I just can't help it, it's my Calling. :prayer:
You and I have gone head to head on this battle in other forums MANY TIMES and I believe it is just a bit odd that you would stop by in this forum full of Jewish people that study there, live there and have knowledge of what goes on there. All I have seen you do in other foums is defend Palestinians and Arab terrorists and I just can't have it here.

Please don't call me HUN, I find it personally degrading and immature.

[BigToe]

ok Erin, but no i never defended the terrorists. but as Christians we should be praying for everyone over there, murderer or not. for the innocent lives that are lost. for the terrorists that they realize the err of their ways. and i have come across you only once before, please do not judge me from one post that was misunderstood. yes, i know its a sensitive subject. i have many good friends over there myself. it is not a good situation over there. i am not some cold blooded person out to see people killed. i think murder is wrong. but that doesn't make me not pray for sinners.

again, i never said that i condemned Yassin being dead either. all i said was to pray for the innocent people over there that will suffer in the ensuing days.

[Christy4Christ]

I think it would be a good idea to pray for the children on both sides because I assure you they have done nothing wrong. Big Toe, I do see where you are coming from in the sence that YES there certainly are innocents over there that need our prayers...

[ILY]

Shalom all,
BigToe please check out this link
http://www.christianforums.com/t98624
If you watch the video you will hear a former Palestinian terrorist tell of the indoctrination he endured, and is still going on today.It is engrained in everything they do, everything.You will see children calling for blood shed etc...
I agree we should pray for all involved, but we simply cannot overlook the degree to which they have been taught such hatred, even in school!!!

In H_M
ILY<><

[ILY]

C4C,
I encourage you as well to watch the video, as these children, act upon that which they are taught.Sad, :( but nonetheless true.

Prayers of Shalom to all :hug:

ILY<><

[BigToe]

i am not about to say they dont brainwash people and commit horrible hate crimes, i agree. i am just saying everyone over there needs prayers. because a lot of bad stuff has, is and will take place.

[Christy4Christ]

Listen, I don't know Big Toe, infact I have never seen her post but I certainly do see her point. Do you think that everyone that lives in Palestine is bad?? There are women and children that are suffering there as well. It is inhuman not to understand that.

I read her posts and I do not see where she said anything wrong. The INNOCENT should be prayed for. I think hate and anger are blinding some. Take a deep breathe and then consider ANY baby of any nationality dying, tell me they do not need our prayers.

Everyone there that is INNOCENT and suffering should be prayed for that they may find mercy.

[Christy4Christ]

C4C,
I encourage you as well to watch the video, as these children, act upon that which they are taught.Sad, :( but nonetheless true.

Prayers of Shalom to all :hug:

ILY<><
I don't agree at all with anything that is being done wrong and I don't need to watch the videos to know. I saw children dancing in the street, cheering after 9/11.

I just also know that there are innocents in every situation. A two year old child that gets his or her face blown off is a terrible thing no matter who their parents are...

[Pray4Isrel]

Listen, I don't know Big Toe, infact I have never seen her post but I certainly do see her point. Do you think that everyone that lives in Palestine is bad?? There are women and children that are suffering there as well. It is inhuman not to understand that.

I read her posts and I do not see where she said anything wrong. The INNOCENT should be prayed for. I think hate and anger are blinding some. Take a deep breathe and then consider ANY baby of any nationality dying, tell me they do not need our prayers.

Everyone there that is INNOCENT and suffering should be prayed for that they may find mercy.
I understand that prayer is for all. But we are to defend the righteous. As a missionary that has been on missions to Israel, Russia, Afrcia and soon China, I have held many babies in my arms as they died. The topic at hand is the defense of Israel and not defending terrorists.
And one last thing:
I'm sorry did you call it PALESTINE???????????????????????????
That would be incorrect. It's rightful name is Israel and it belings to the Jews. It is not called Palestine.

[Inspired]

A few?
You are in a forum full of people that have been to Israel, live there and have studied it for years. You are also in a forum full of Jewish people that understand what it's like to be hated, misrepresented and discriminated against. The terrorists want us dead and they want you dead. Did you not see them chanting on the news today for the destruction of Israel and the UNITED STATES???
These terrorists are not few... they are everywhere and they are infiltrating. They don't just want Jews dead... they want YOU dead too. When people finalyy realize this, they will stop defending the enemies of G-d.
The Israelis are innocent, the Palestinian/Arab terrorists are fully guilty.
I am tired of people defending murderers that strap on dynamite and blow up babies and men and women in cafes.

Sorry, I can't take this anymore. People blindly defend the enemies of G-d.

Pardon my zeal... it's a battle I fight everyday: to defend Israel by educating and informing people that would rather listen to the media instead of valid sources.



Jesus prayed for everyone, he died for everyone, including those who wanted Him dead, and did so knowing they would betray Him. Praying for someone doesn't mean you condone there actions, it means you pray for Him to guide them.
Side note, education rarely comes through insults, maybe try educating instead of insulting, if you'd like to get your point across? You are more likely to teach someone that way.
Those militants where once children who grew up, the only way they knew how, the cycle can be broken, history has proved this time and time again, only good can come from praying for those militants.

[ILY]

Shalom all,
I am not in disagreement with your sentiments.I believe the children are victims as well.Even as they are taught hatred, they are victims of indoctrination.I pray for all those who are innocent.As far as the video, it is another reason why we should pray for them as well.If Walid who was the former Arab/Palestinian, now Christian, can change then others can as well.If fact that is one of his goals is to go back to prison he was in in Isarel and teahc them there is a better way than hate and violence etc...

YbiY
ILY<><

[Christy4Christ]

You know I see a couple of key things being over looked here. First, we all profess to believe in Jesus and His teachings correct? If that is true then what Big Toe said was in accordance to that. The day we forget what HE said and allow our emotions to take over is the day we may as well just throw in the towel. Guys he said "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"

[Christy4Christ]

Jesus was praying for the very people that killed Him...

[BigToe]

i respect what you do, and i appreciate it more than you know. i hope you realize that Erin. we've obviously gotten off on a completely wrong foot. i guess my thing is that we are called to pray for everyone, not just those we support. because if we aren't praying for the bad guys, who is to say they will ever change? sure the ones there now might not, but their children might and then be able to stop the grossness thats going on. honestly all i meant is that we should pray for everyone.

[Christy4Christ]

I want to explain myself a little better because I feel it is neccesary. I know that it is impossible to act as Jesus did. We are human and we are sinners. I do not always love my enemies or pray for those who persecute me. If I did that, I would be perfect, wouldn't I? I am far from perfect and I understand your pain. The thing is, we should STRIVE to live like Him. Will we fall short? You can bet on it. I saw an attempt here to preach Jesus's word and I saw one being shot down for it and I felt I had to respond. I hope I haven't offened anyone with my posts. I just felt the need to point out that Big Toe was posting in accordance to what He taught and I think you should take it easy on her. :sorry:

[ILY]

Shalom all,
I am in agreement that we should pray for all, as I have stated previousley.
The video I gave the link to is from a man who was born in Bethlehem Israel, and lived in Jericho during the 6 days war.He grew up in the indoctrination, and that is what he is taking about in his video.It is informative to say the least.

If you want just do a simple search of his name, "Walid Shoebat.

Shalom in H_M <><
ILY

[P_G]

we've obviously gotten off on a completely wrong foot.



Hmm

A Big Toe on a wrong foot

That really could be a problem you know! ;)


Blessings

PG :wave:

[Christy4Christ]

Hmm

A Big Toe on a wrong foot

That really could be a problem you know! ;)


Blessings

PG :wave:


HAHAHAHAHA! That is hilarious! :cry: <--laughing so hard I am crying

[Plan 9]

Attention Gentile Christians: this is the Messianic forum and we are not to debate here! Please stop! There must be a gazillion threads about this subject by now in fora in which we may debate, if we wish, but we are not to do it here! :cry:

[Andre]

This is the thing, we need to pray for Israel protection, most of the land now ocupied by Arabs rightfully belongs to Israel, it's their promissed land that was given to them by G-d.
Now, most of the Arabs are Muslims and they are brainwashed to hate Israel, and they all do, not only Muslims, but most of the world hates Israel.
Right now the Arab world hates Israel and Israel has the right to defend itself, we need to pray that G-d would deliver Israel from their enemies, by killing them if necessary, on the other hand we also need to pray that G-d would reveal Himself to Muslims so they may repent from the wrong they are doing and give their lives to G-d otherwise they will be destroyed, either by Israel or by G-d Himself.
G-d will protect His people, it's His promisse to the nation of Israel. He will bless those who bless Israel and He will curse those who curse it. Therefore the Muslim world better repent from their ways or they will be destroyed.

I believe the only reason why the U.S. is "safe" and it's still a great place to live is because we support Israel, otherwise I believe judgement would have come to this nation a long time ago due to people turning away from G-d and turning to sinfull lifestyles that are an abomination before G-d.

Shalom,
Andre.

[Domi_Adsum_05]

Attention Gentile Christians: this is the Messianic forum and we are not to debate here! Please stop! There must be a gazillion threads about this subject by now in fora in which we may debate, if we wish, but we are not to do it here! :cry:
I don't think I've shared with you how pleased I am to see you around these parts, Plan! :)
(No, not just for this post!)

[Plan 9]

I don't think I've shared with you how pleased I am to see you around these parts, Plan! :)
(No, not just for this post!)

These are the best parts of these here parts for me. :D
It was a big day for me when I saw you were back. I've missed you, Tribe. :)

[Domi_Adsum_05]

These are the best parts of these here parts for me. :D
It was a big day for me when I saw you were back. I've missed you, Tribe. :)
Yay! :D

[Talmidah]

Hi

This is your pal and brother Pastor George
I have attached a picture of where I used to work...


{{{Pastor George}}} :cry: :cry: :(

[Plan 9]

{{{Pastor George}}} :cry: :cry: :(
My father and I were forced to wait three weeks to discover if my brother and sister-in-law were still living. Had the rubble rolled three more blocks we would have waited much longer to have their remains identified. :sigh:

[Hix]

We should pray for the poor "palistinian" people, only becuase they are being used as pawns by the PA and Egypt to wage war against the Zionists. Every day they are systimatically indoctrinated with hatred and rage against the Jewish people. And even more so than that their very leaders are involved in embezzling all the funds that were supposed to be given as aid to help the people in poverty. Israel only lately had to cut off its anual 1 billion dollars of aid to the "palistinians" becuase not a penny even saw the people, it was being used to fund terror. And the PA dont want to see the "palistinians" living in anything other than poverty anyway, becuase so long as they live in poverty then it can be blamed on Israel.

So we should pray for these people too, they are nothing but pawns being used to murder the Jewish people. But make no mistake about it, there can be no similarities between targetting armed murderers and targetting innocent civilians. The 29 people Yassin ordered the death of 2 years almost to the day at Pessach remain in memory.

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

[JewishHeart]

HIx,

I was in the middle of a Passover Seder in Israel when it happened. I think that terrorist attack shocked more people than any prior or after so far. The only other shocks for Israel recently like this is Yassin's assasination and the video of the funeral in Jenin when the guy fell out of the casket, jumped up, and got back in. Here we are two years later and Yassin is dead, the one who ordered that shocking attack. Oh yeah, I forgot about the Purim attack one year in which was in a mall...little children's legs and feet were scattered all over the mall with their cute costumes smeared in blood ordered by Yassin. Yassin deserved his death! A death of natural causes would be a dissapointment to Israel, justice was served. I am 100 percent for targeted killings. Terrorists don't deserve trials, they are lower than that... think of children in a Purim costume smeared in blood and ask me if the murderer deserves a trial. By the way, contrary to news legends, Israel is the most humane army in the world. They could have killed Yassin years ago, but wanted to save even one innocent life and did not do so. Just look, Israel released some thousand Lebaneese terrorists for Syria to return one Israeli buisnessman who broke the law. If France, Britain, or any other country were in this situation I can guarantee you they would be worse. They have no right to condemn. There are innocent Palestinians who need Yeshua, they are bound by the madness Arafat and the rest of the Arab world has hyponotized them into.

[P_G]

I believe the only reason why the U.S. is "safe" and it's still a great place to live is because we support Israel,
Shalom,
Andre.
Ahh Were that it was true Andre!

1 I do not feel "safe" in the US any longer we are a big target each of us and these terrorists hate us with a passion. There is not one who would not jump at the chance to kill an American, better if they were Christian and even better if they were Jewish!

2 President Bush has denounced the military removal of a high value target by Israel. Bad move on his part really bad move. He says it will increase the animosity in the region. You know what at some point the Palestinians could not hate the Israellis any more than they do now.

Bless the IDF keep them safe oh Lord
Bless the Mousad make them invisable to their enimies
Bless Ariel Sharon give him great wisdom!

What would have happened if durring the inquisitions in Spain the church had stood up and said "No this is wrong stop it!"

What would have happened in Germany if the Lutherens and Reformed church had said "NO we will not carry out these murderous orders"

What would have happened if the Orthodox Church would have said in Russia "No these are peaceable people leave them alone"

Today I choose as an American and as a Messianic Gentile beleiver to say

I STAND WITH ISRAEL!

Shalom - YHWH Tsvot!


Pastor George :wave:

[ShirChadash]

Hi

This is your pal and brother Pastor George
I have attached a picture of where I used to work
Actually the place I used to work is now a big
hole in the ground filled with corpses
It was on the southern tip of Manhatten

It was a nice building well actually several nice
buildings and lots of people worked there
and one day lots of people died there.

They died there because some filthy vermon
er umm misguided men flew fuel laden airplanes into them.
I took this picture from New Jersey 3 days later.
The air was filled with smoke and the smell
of burnt flesh was everywhere.

I was supposed to be in that building that morning
But G-d said no I want you to do something else for me
so you stay home.

I should have died that day
My hands shake every day
I have something the Dr's call PTSD
It makes me cry at night a lot.

So if one of the buddies of those men who hurt so many people
and hurt the friends of mine that live in Isreal got blown up.
Please don't think less of me because I do not seem too
upset or if I don't pray for them.
Their god doesn't exist anyway
so there is no one to listen to those prayers.

Blessings
I am going to go puke now


Pastor George
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Pray4Isrel]

To Whom it May Concern:

Will someone please point out to me where I ever said NOT to pray for anyone?

I never said not to pray - go back and read my posts, please. Oh the drama! :D

Take a look at my name, for example: Pray4Isrel
Hmmmmm... seems pretty obvious to me. Prayer is not the issue at hand. Prayer is a given and I doubt anyone here doesn't pray. I have and always will try my hardest to pray for those who are my enemies and those who persecute.

My replies were simply defending Israel and the Jewish people. Others decided to distort my words and pretty soon I have three people that rarely, if ever step into the MJ forum telling me that I am not following "Jesus' example" by praying for my enemies! Where did that come from?

[ShirChadash]

{{{{{Erin}}}}}





ps: where it came from? I have a few thoughts on that. Um... bet you can guess. Nevahmind anyhoo...

[Talmidah]

My father and I were forced to wait three weeks to discover if my brother and sister-in-law were still living. Had the rubble rolled three more blocks we would have waited much longer to have their remains identified. :sigh:
{{{Plan 9 and family}}} I am so, so sorry. I cannot even fathom what you have been through. May our Father always give you comfort and solace. I am just so sad about all of this. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[P_G]

Yes I concur with Erin
and I do pray for them actually

That they would lay down thier arms
and accept Y'shua as Messiah

Who was it that used to have the line in their sig

"If the Palestinians laid down thier weapons today there would be peace in Isreal
If the Isreallis laid down thier weapons today there would be no Isreal"


Blessings

Pastor George :wave:

[Charlesinflorida]

I have prayed for Israel and for the peace of Jerusalem for years. We do so daily as a family. I used to do the same or the U.S. and one day Aonai (I blieve) stopped me in my spirit, and said, "Do not pray for the U.S. for judgement has already been decreed. It's leaders are corrupt, and the people corrupt. The Church has become blind." I wept and pleaded before the Lord for a long time that day but felt only assurance that God had a remnant that would serve him, and that the Judgement was so that he could extend his mercy. Through affliction comes repentence. The U.S. had turned rom worshipping God and trusting in Him to trusting in its military and monitary might to preserve it. I felt that I was to pray or the Church, for my bothers protection in this country, and to work to bring the truth of Gods word to the church that had long ago departed from Gods Torah. This was in 1998. After much praying I felt Adonai say to me. Watch what is happening. A few weeks later, the Monica Lewinski ase exploded, and I saw the files being loaded in the back of a suburban. I saw the president look all america in the face and lie and say,"I had nothing to do with that woman." And the saddest part of all, the American people said in a loud resounding voice, "It is none of our business what he did. We don't care. What matters is the money, the market, our prosperity! Leave him alone so that we can continue to grow rich!" And the people defended him. Because they hae lost siht of what is right and what is wrong. The leaders are corrupt. The people are also Corrupt.

9-11 was a wake up call to repent. But the people said together, "God Bless America" They should have said, "America, Bless God!" There was not repentence, only a ralling call to patriotism and national pride and the exalting of our national god, Mammon, and power the god of fortresses."

Judgement is decreed. It is comming. I pray for you my brothers and sisters. I pray that the church is losed from the alse religion of mens traditions and returns to the words of the living eternal elohim.

Charles the nut case from Florida

[Christy4Christ]

But ummm the US has done nothing but support Israel, so are you saying that is part of our corruption?

[P_G]

But ummm the US has done nothing but support Israel, so are you saying that is part of our corruption?
Christy

Have we really supported them? Really?

Or have we said time and again "Stay out of it don't get involved"
Have we forced a peace that can never work down their throats like
in Camp David etc?

Personally I think that the US has kissed the hind quarter of the UN and world opinion far more than it has supported Isreal.


PG :wave:

[Pray4Isrel]

The USA is considered Israel's only true supporter, and even that is a joke. How much money have we allotted the Palestinians over the years? How often have we told Israel not to retaliate against it's evil terrorist enemies? Just like you're saying, PG, how supportive are we really?
The sad answer: Not much... and it's starting to get even worse with people here in the USA that defend the Palestinian and Arab terrorists.

BTW, outstanding post, Charlesinflorida... simply outstanding.

[Domi_Adsum_05]

I am sorry to say it, but the U.S. often supports Israel as an absentee parent supports their child: throw money at them and then yell at them for what they do with it.
The U.S. starts a War on Terror after an attack on our soil, but we tie Israel's hands when they hunt down and kill those who murder their children and grandparents.
America seems to be ambivalent about Israel. We know that it is good, but we get in trouble for saying that it's good. It's unpopular to believe that the Israelis and the PLO are not morally equivalent.
Instead, we are too often willing to bow to world opinion. Especially the opinion of the U.N. which is ruled by tyrants and anti-Israelists.
The world liked Jews alot better when they didn't have the power to defend themselves; but they didn't like us much back then either.

[ILY]

Shalom all,
I think the U.S. more than any other nation has supported Israel.Certainly we have tried to have our cake and eat it too at times.But largely we have been supportive of Isarel.It's not easy to try to not be biased towards our Jewish brethren, but IMHO, if Israel were attacked we would back up the nation of Israel, if neccessary.The need for oil does cause problems that I would guess causes us to let politics interfere.

What nation is a greater friend to Israel?
Just my humble opinions.

Shalom
ILY<><

[Christy4Christ]

But what are we doing about God saying "Vengeance will be mine" ? I am so confused..

If we live by the sword we will die by the sword, so many other things that were said that we just seem to be completely ignoring.

Do you believe that one day all of us will be together in paradise? Is that enough for us? Do we need to seek vengeance on this earth?

I don't have all the answers but I know God does and what does He say about all of this bloodshed? :cry:

[PeterPaul]

The USA is considered Israel's only true supporter, and even that is a joke. How much money have we allotted the Palestinians over the years? How often have we told Israel not to retaliate against it's evil terrorist enemies? Just like you're saying, PG, how supportive are we really?
The sad answer: Not much... and it's starting to get even worse with people here in the USA that defend the Palestinian and Arab terrorists.

BTW, outstanding post, Charlesinflorida... simply outstanding.

I would agree with not defending terrorism, certainly. But, and this is only a question, wouldn't you say that complaining that the US gave money to the Palestinian people, nationalistic such someone complained earlier about 9/11? As G-d's children, shouldn't we care for innocent life and suffering? This is only a question, not meant to be antagonizing.

[P_G]

You know as an interesting aside

Before 9-11-01 I never saw not one bit of "Islamic Awareness" PC non sense

I notice now that instead of marking the traditional Jewish holidays on my desk calender I see the traditional Islamic holidays marked instead.

Hey I cant tell when Purim is but boy I know when the first of Muhrarram was!

And this is the subtle infiltration of acceptance.

I suppose what will be next are funny jokes about the size of the Jewish nose and how they love money or something.

Yupp seems like we been there done this before folks.

I STAND WITH ISREAL

Pastor George :wave:

[Christy4Christ]

I stand with Jesus :bow:
I cannot determine politically who is right or who is wrong so I feel safest just to stand for Him..His will be done, whatever that may be..

[Christy4Christ]

I suppose what will be next are funny jokes about the size of the Jewish nose and how they love money or something.


What do you mean next? This has never stopped. Do I think it is right? Noway, I don't think jokes about Blondes, Catholics, Baptists, Rednecks, Nuns, and the the list goes on... are right either but jokes are jokes...this stuff we are talking about here is much more serious than anyone's idea of humor..

[Pray4Isrel]

I stand with Jesus :bow:It's spiteful statements like these that only cause a rift.
We stand for Israel because Yeshua stands for Israel...
Don't throw the "I stand for Jesus" statement at us as though we are against him. That is downright hurtful. :(

[Pray4Isrel]

I would agree with not defending terrorism, certainly. But, and this is only a question, wouldn't you say that complaining that the US gave money to the Palestinian people, nationalistic such someone complained earlier about 9/11? As G-d's children, shouldn't we care for innocent life and suffering? This is only a question, not meant to be antagonizing.Thank you so much for asking kindly... that is a rare occurance around here these days and I commend you for it. :)
Could you maybe expound upon your question for me? I am trying to correlate the example of 9/11 as it compares to funding the Palestinians. Thanks.

[Christy4Christ]

You took that the wrong way, I know you are angry but now you are taking it out on me. I cannot see how saying "I stand for Jesus" could be considered spiteful.

[PeterPaul]

Shalom pray4isrel, I think Christy means that given political sides to take, she would rather take a religious side. Sometimes, in nationalism takes over and we support one thing or another because of patriotism, and this can be a dangerous road. Given that some on Israel's side and the Palestinian side might act like Barabbas, she chooses Christ. That's all.

[Christy4Christ]

Anyway to clarify, that was not intended as a slam to anyone.

[Christy4Christ]

Shalom pray4isrel, I think Christy means that given political sides to take, she would rather take a religious side. Sometimes, in nationalism takes over and we support one thing or another because of patriotism, and this can be a dangerous road. Given that some on Israel's side and the Palestinian side might act like Barabbas, she chooses Christ. That's all.

That is exactly what I meant and ALL I meant.

[Pray4Isrel]

You took that the wrong way, I know you are angry but now you are taking it out on me. I cannot see how saying "I stand for Jesus" could be considered spiteful.Christy4Christ,
You said that in response to Pastor George's post. It was hurtful and it is not needed in the MJ Forum. We all stand for Jesus...
Be careful not to respond emotionally.

[Christy4Christ]

As I said that was a misinterpretation of what I meant by that. I simply meant that I can see the bad on both sides and I would rather just stand for Jesus. I never ever implied that you or anyone else here doesn't. If you took it that way then I am sorry, truly..

[PeterPaul]

Pray4isrel, I meant that as someone noted, patriotism instead of religious pondering has not had the effect that it should have on people post 9/11. If people would have, as someone put it, "America, Bless G-d", perhaps we would have learned something after the destruction of 9/11. Patriotism has poor effects, but religious renewal can have long lasting effects. In the same manner, perhaps if we complain of U.S. assisting financially, the Palestinians for aid to the suffering, aren't we appearing nationalistic?

Shalom

[Christy4Christ]

I edited the post and hopefully it is more clear what was meant by it now..

[P_G]

I don't have all the answers but I know God does and what does He say about all of this bloodshed? :cry:
Christy - Erin BE GOOD remember Pastors rule! Sheeps don't bite sheeps!


Now having said that What does G-d say???

Here were his instructions:

Deu 20:17 But you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, as Jehovah your God has commanded you;


Y'sreal was not obedient and allowed them to live in their midst. G-d knew better. And what we see today is the result of disobedience of 6000 years ago. I do not think that G-d recinded this order by the way.


Blessings

Be good

I love you both!

Pastor George :wave:

[ShirChadash]

I too stand with Yeshua.




And while Yeshua stands for/with many individuals, one thing is certain -- He will not stand with anyone who stands against Israel.

[Henaynei]

Giving money to the "Palestinian Authority" is giving money directly into Arafat's bank account and into the coffers of the terrorists. It *DOES NOT get to the Palestinian people - this has been proved over and over. Arafat has *known* foreign bankaccounts that total several billion. He does not work and there is no way his *official* salary could accrue this amount. The paper trails all lead from incomming monies to his pockets and into homocide bombs and awards to homocide bomers families . This is why Israel stopped it's protection payments. AND why the US should.

[Pray4Isrel]

Yes Pastor George, I hear ya! ;)
Hence the reason I started my old thread up again:
http://www.christianforums.com/t47981

[Christy4Christ]

Pastor George yes He did say that but wasn't that before He sent Jesus to give us a new commandment? Aren't we suppose to love all who persecute us? Aren't we supposed to turn the other cheek? We are supposed to lay our lives down glady knowing that in the end we will be rewarded in eternity. Remember what Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall inherit the Kingdom of God" this is what I meant by saying that I stand for Jesus. I am not going to retaliate against anyone in word thought or deed because I was commanded not to. Is this easy for people? Noway, if it were easy then it wouldn't be so hard to live righteously. If it were easy then we wouldn't read the passage that says "Not everyone who says to me Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven" It is VERY hard to walk in His shoes. I am only saying that I think we should try..

[Hix]

The remarkable thing is that the US knows, or at least partially knows of the PA's embezzlement of the aid money which was supposed to help the "palistinian" citizens. I remember reading a number of months back that an American inquirey found that over 3 billion US dollars donated by America never even saw the people, and instead went towards terrorism and for Arafats wife and daughter to live comfortably in France.

Really, the "palistinians" are victims in their own way, the PA itself is basically Egypts proxy in the region and they use the every day people to fight this war aainst Israel. They teach them hate and violence, they teach them to kill. They make them live in poverty so Israel is blamed and the hatred for it rises more and the anti-semitic propaganda spread by them is rivaled only by that seen during the holocaust by the nazis.

[Pray4Isrel]

Pastor George yes He did say that but wasn't that before He sent Jesus to give us a new commandment? Aren't we suppose to love all who persecute us? Aren't we supposed to turn the other cheek? We are supposed to lay our lives down glady knowing that in the end we will be rewarded in eternity. Remember what Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall inherit the Kingdom of God" this is what I meant by saying that I stand for Jesus. I am not going to retaliate against anyone in word thought or deed because I was commanded not to. Is this easy for people? Noway, if it were easy then it wouldn't be so hard to live righteously. If it were easy then we wouldn't read the passage that says "Not everyone who says to me Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven" It is VERY hard to walk in His shoes. I am only saying that I think we should try..
So what would be your solution for ending terrorism?
My Bible says that "Whoever sheds mand blood, his blood shall be shed."
How would you go about keeping spineless cowards from strapping dynamite to themselves and walking into grocery stores and pizza parlors and blowing up innocent men, women and babies?

[Christy4Christ]

So what would be your solution for ending terrorism?
My Bible says that "Whoever sheds mand blood, his blood shall be shed."
How would you go about keeping spineless cowards from strapping dynamite to themselves and walking into grocery stores and pizza parlors and blowing up innocent men, women and babies?


I would pray for God's will and vengeance because for me I know that there is nothing we can do to stop it. The more we try the more blood is shed. This is all going to happen whether we like it or not and if you really want to know what I think we should, it is PRAY and keep praying...

I know this is SO hard for everyone who has family there but you gotta trust HIM! He will take care of everything in the end..That is all I have been trying to say here, I am sorry if it is offensive. I know that it would be harder for me to say this if I had family there, don't think I am not aware of that. The truth is I don't have the answers, I only know I trust that He does. Put your hope in Him.

[Pray4Isrel]

I would pray for God's will and vengeance because for me I know that there is nothing we can do to stop it. The more we try the more blood is shed. This is all going to happen whether we like it or not and if you really want to know what I think we should, it is PRAY and keep praying...

I know this is SO hard for everyone who has family there but you gotta trust HIM! He will take care of everything in the end..That is all I have been trying to say here, I am sorry if it is offensive. I know that it would be harder for me to say this if I had family there, don't think I am not aware of that. The truth is I don't have the answers, I only know I trust that He does. Put your hope in Him.
So during WW2, you wouldn't have tried to stop Hitler? You would have let him massacre the Jews and just let him go on his rampage? Please help me see, because my Bible teaches me about the severe justice for those who hate G-d's children.

[PeterPaul]

So what would be your solution for ending terrorism?
My Bible says that "Whoever sheds mand blood, his blood shall be shed."
How would you go about keeping spineless cowards from strapping dynamite to themselves and walking into grocery stores and pizza parlors and blowing up innocent men, women and babies?

Pray4Isrel, I know what you mean, my friend. It is so hard not to become passionate about the horrors by these madmen. I, too know what terrorism is like, as my country has endured it for decades, even though I would not try to compare it with the suffering of my Jewish brothers. The question you ask is difficult, as all answers to it are. I remember, when 9/11 happened (I have been in the US for about 10 years now). My first reaction, out of spite and anger, was to destroy the entire middle east (except Israel of course). I felt almost the same way after 3/11. These are my emotions, and it is hard to ignore my sinful reaction.

The mentality of the Palestinian murderers is the same as the Morrocan attitudes in Spain. They wish nothing more than to destroy and make their cause justified in the eyes of others. It saddens me when anyone justifies murder, even when it appears appropriate.

Since, I am on your thread, however, I think it is only appropriate that I tell you I am praying for the safety of Israel and its people. I pray that one day there will be peace and the Israelis will prosper. May your suffering bear the fruits of peace.

Shalom

[P_G]

Pastor George yes He did say that but wasn't that before He sent Jesus to give us a new commandment? Aren't we suppose to love all who persecute us? Aren't we supposed to turn the other cheek? We are supposed to lay our lives down glady knowing that in the end we will be rewarded in eternity. Remember what Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall inherit the Kingdom of God" this is what I meant by saying that I stand for Jesus. I am not going to retaliate against anyone in word thought or deed because I was commanded not to. Is this easy for people? Noway, if it were easy then it wouldn't be so hard to live righteously. If it were easy then we wouldn't read the passage that says "Not everyone who says to me Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven" It is VERY hard to walk in His shoes. I am only saying that I think we should try..

Christy

I agree we should and everyone who knows me knows that I am like the most non violent - don't get angry person you will ever meet in your life.

But let me tell you what is really really going to happen.

In the book of revelation (Apocolypse for our Roman Catholic brothers and sisters)
it says this:

Rev 19:11 And I saw Heaven being opened. And, behold! A white horse, and He sitting on it having been called Faithful and True. And He judges and wars in righteousness.
Rev 19:12 And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head many diadems, having a name that had been written, which no one knows except Himself;
Rev 19:13 and having been clothed in a garment which had been dipped in blood. And His name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies in Heaven followed Him on white horses, being dressed in fine linen, white and pure.
Rev 19:15 And out of His mouth goes forth a sharp sword, that with it He might smite the nations. And He will shepherd them with an iron rod. And He treads the winepress of the wine of the anger and of the wrath of God Almighty.
Rev 19:16 And He has on His garment and on His thigh a name having been written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:17 And I saw one angel standing in the sun. And he cried with a great voice, saying to all the birds flying in mid-heaven, Come and gather together to the supper of the great God,
Rev 19:18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of chiliarchs, and the flesh of strong ones, and the flesh of horses, and of the ones sitting on them, and the flesh of all, both freemen and slaves, even of the small and great.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth, and their armies being assembled to make war with the One sitting on the horse, and with His army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was seized, and with this one the false prophet doing signs before it, by which he led astray those having received the mark of the beast, and those worshiping its image. The two were thrown alive into the Lake of Fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the rest were killed with the sword of the One sitting on the horse, the sword having gone forth from His mouth. And all the birds were filled from their flesh.


Not to get into a long exegesis on this but here is the long and short of it

This battle will take place
It will happen in Isreal
It will happen in the valley of Meggido
The forces of G-d will be lead by Y'shua
The forces of the Antichrist will be lead by Ha'Satan
Y'shua will win this battle.

There is every reason to beleive that those who are attacking Isreal right now are those who will be lead by the antichrist and actually are at this point being lead by the spirit of the antichrist.

Muhamoud more than any other person in history fits the bill and description of the antichrist. And the abomination called the Dome of the Rock like no other fits the description of the Abomination that causes desolation.

Now I know I am making bold in fact VERY bold statements here.

I too Stand with Y'shua! I stand with him on the planes of Meggido also
I stand for him and with him in Y'sreal!
In Jerusalem - His home - my home!


Man you got me preachin up in here!


blessings

Pastor George :wave:

[Christy4Christ]

No, I wouldn't have just sat back and allowed Hitler to do what he did, no God loving person would have. This thing with terrorism and Israel and Palestine has gotten so huge that what can we really do about it? I mean what is your suggestion? What do you feel should be done? Honesly?

[Pray4Isrel]

Here is a sad taste of reality:
http://168.143.89.85/index.asp?op=Feb2jpostbanner
Imagine the face of your brother, sister, mother, father, child there.

[Henaynei]

Love does NOT mean pacifisim ;)

G-d does NOT change - period - He told us to kill those who were trying to kill us many times - even to the last child and cow.....

I've said it before and I'll say it again!!!:
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as with most blanket statements "war is sin" (or killing is sin) is WRONG :(


if war is sin, then G-d is a sinner - G-d forbid ;)

Like my hubby has been known to say - "What? did G-d http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_2_111.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)go take anger management classes during the Inter-testamental period and become Jesus http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/352v.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001) who is just all peace , love and gentleness??" ^_^

[Christy4Christ]

Right Pastor George that is exactly what I mean! God will lead us through. We need to be silent enough to hear His will. He has already won! It is written. But for now what do we do? I suggest we stand on His promise and allow Him to do the work promised. We over here can only pray, none of us that I know of are soldiers. It is OUR job to pray. It is our job to do whatever God calls us to do. For me it is to bring a message of love, for you or someone else it may be different. God calls each of us according to His purpose, let us listen to Him.

[ShirChadash]

woooot! :clap: go PG go PG. Preach it bro! :priest:

[Christy4Christ]

Anyway I leave you all with my prayers that you will get your families back alive and well. I pray that we all do the will of God, whatever that may be.

[Pray4Isrel]

That is the most beautiful post I have read today...
Thank you so much, friend.
Your kindness, prayers and support have not gone by unnoticed.

P.S. I did not ignore your question to me a few posts back but I don't have the time to answer yet so I will answer it a little bit later :)
Pray4Isrel, I know what you mean, my friend. It is so hard not to become passionate about the horrors by these madmen. I, too know what terrorism is like, as my country has endured it for decades, even though I would not try to compare it with the suffering of my Jewish brothers. The question you ask is difficult, as all answers to it are. I remember, when 9/11 happened (I have been in the US for about 10 years now). My first reaction, out of spite and anger, was to destroy the entire middle east (except Israel of course). I felt almost the same way after 3/11. These are my emotions, and it is hard to ignore my sinful reaction.

The mentality of the Palestinian murderers is the same as the Morrocan attitudes in Spain. They wish nothing more than to destroy and make their cause justified in the eyes of others. It saddens me when anyone justifies murder, even when it appears appropriate.

Since, I am on your thread, however, I think it is only appropriate that I tell you I am praying for the safety of Israel and its people. I pray that one day there will be peace and the Israelis will prosper. May your suffering bear the fruits of peace.

Shalom

[Christy4Christ]

I also give you my prayers for the safety and well being of your people. Anyone who knows me at all on this forum knows that I would never wish anything bad on anyone. Maybe my problem is that I try too hard to see the good in everyone and I am possibly blinded by that. I only wish we could all stop killing because it is so sad. I know that won't stop until it is all over. I continue to just pray for peace and for a little less hate from everyone. :prayer:

[Domi_Adsum_05]

[Pray4Isrel]

Wow Tribe, that says it all...

[P_G]

Right Pastor George that is exactly what I mean! God will lead us through. We need to be silent enough to hear His will. He has already won! It is written. But for now what do we do?
This war has already started Christy - The battle lines are being drawn even today. See what is happening. Pray to be certain pray. Pray that as many Hamas and Islamic Jihad and Al Queda are brought to Christ as is possible. That will save their lives in eternity.

Understand too that the Jew is historys most persecuted race.
I rememeber in school learning about WWII and wondering why they didn't fight back. I think we all did.

Now Isreal is fighting back and we wonder why they are doing that.


Blessings

Don't forget the youth group will be holding a bake sale today after service to raise money for the trip.

(Now you KNOW I'm in full preach mode!)

Pastor George :wave:

[Christy4Christ]

I will make sure and buy something yummy...

[Pray4Isrel]

I need an entire batch of cookies :yum:

[Christy4Christ]

Please everyone know that I am not a bad person. I didn't mean anything bad and I don't want contention between us. P4I I will BUY you an entire batch of cookies if we can all just get along :)

[P_G]

Please everyone know that I am not a bad person. I didn't mean anything bad and I don't want contention between us. P4I I will BUY you an entire batch of cookies if we can all just get along :)
Ahh good
Grazing sheeps
Sheeps using their teeth for cookie eating!

This is wonderful good!

Now the only thing I need worry about is your respetive husbands blaming me for you all putting on 400 pounds! I shall wear a disguise :cool:


Blessings

Pastor umm Fred! :wave:

[Pray4Isrel]

Plese everyone know that I am not a bad person. I didn't mean anything bad and I don't want contention between us. P4I I will BUY you an entire batch opf cookies if we can all just get along :)
Ok that's it! It's time for a giant group hug!!!!!!!!!!
:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
I never thought for a moment that you were a bad person, Christy.
It's just that our hearts hurt so much for our people in Israel.
Many of us have been there or live there and it is so different than what is shown on the news.
Sometimes I grow weary of constantly defending G-d's Chosen against those who are supposed to be on our side. Last night, it upset me that people who never so much as linger in our forum decided to come in and "set me straight" when they don't have nearly as much experience with Israel as we do in this forum. It's like me going into another denominational forum and setting them straight on issues and then getting mad when they respond.
Sometimes it would just be nice to have someone say "I support you".

I'll never forget going to lunch one day in Israel... I flew home the next day after having been there over a month. I woke up with jet lag here in the USA and turned on the news. The very street I was on the day before had a suicide bombing. I went into the bathroom and vomited.

The harsh reality of violence does not fully register until we have it effect us personally.

[Christy4Christ]

My husband tries to make me get fat! I think he feels then he won't have to worry about anyone looking at me! LOL Men and their ulterior motives! It reminds me of the song, "If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife"


By the way he has done a wonderful job and I have put on about 30 pounds in the last six months! I know his efforts are working! Time to break out the rollerblades and get back on the dreaded treadmill!


OK Back to the topic! Sorry :)

[ShirChadash]

Pastor umm Fred! :wave:

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I love that even in the hardest threads, PG manages to make me smile with his wit. :)
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[Kelly]

Understand too that the Jew is historys most persecuted race.
I rememeber in school learning about WWII and wondering why they didn't fight back. I think we all did.
They did fight back. There was a recent TV special on the ghetto resistance fighters. Awesomely brave people.

[Pray4Isrel]

They did fight back. There was a recent TV special on the ghetto resistance fighters. Awesomely brave people.
Hi Flanders ;)
Yes, you are right...some did fight. The Warsaw Ghetto is one of the most amazing examples of this.

[Domi_Adsum_05]

Understand too that the Jew is historys most persecuted race.
I rememeber in school learning about WWII and wondering why they didn't fight back. I think we all did.I used to wonder, too. But, as Kelly mentioned, there were Jewish resistance fighters. In them, Jewish women fought as bravely as Jewish men. An excellent fictionalized account of this is in the book Mila 18 by Leon Uris.

A problem for the resistance fighters is the fact that they would be betrayed by Polish resistance fighters, because of Polish anit-semitism.

Another problem was the internalized "Don't start trouble" philosophy of Jews of the time.

I also think of the "Boiled frog" analogy: How if you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water, it will jump out. But if you put the frog into cool water, and gradually, bit by bit turn up the heat, the frog woill be boiled without realizing it was in danger.
Jews in Germany had been doing pretty well. They were VERY assimilated (after all, Reform Judaism started in Germany) and many considered themselves Germans first and Jews second. When bad started to happen, they couldn't belive that it would get even worse, I mean this was civilized Europe after all! German Jews thought: it can't happen here! They had been disarmed long before they rounded up and put into the ghettoes.
This is one thing that makes today so difficult for Jews also - we watch every act of antisemitism, every synagogue burned, etc. watching for trends, watching for a crucial sign that might warn us so that we can do better than our grandparents did at reading the signs of the times.

Remember also, that many did flee. But other nations weren't accepting Jews. Including America. Whole boatloads of fleeing Jews were returned to Nazi Germany where the Jews were put right in Concentration camps.

In a sense, many of them "turned the other cheek," too. After 12 million Jewish cheeks, Hitler was stopped.

Maybe we can be a little too nervous - but it's a reaction to the tragedy that befell our ancestors only 60 or so years ago, because they weren't nervous enough.

[Plan 9]

Hi, Kelly! :wave:

Kelly made my marvelous avatar and banner and he did so at a particularly difficult time in my life. :)
He said he chose the different images to reflect my changing moods, and he told me that I must always keep my phaser rifle on stun. He's a wise man, don't you agree? ;)

[Henaynei]

Trekkes - I LOVE Trekkes - even if they are TNG and not *real* trekkes!! LOL

[Christy4Christ]

Ok that's it! It's time for a giant group hug!!!!!!!!!!
:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
I never thought for a moment that you were a bad person, Christy.
It's just that our hearts hurt so much for our people in Israel.
Many of us have been there or live there and it is so different than what is shown on the news.
Sometimes I grow weary of constantly defending G-d's Chosen against those who are supposed to be on our side. Last night, it upset me that people who never so much as linger in our forum decided to come in and "set me straight" when they don't have nearly as much experience with Israel as we do in this forum. It's like me going into another denominational forum and setting them straight on issues and then getting mad when they respond.
Sometimes it would just be nice to have someone say "I support you".

I'll never forget going to lunch one day in Israel... I flew home the next day after having been there over a month. I woke up with jet lag here in the USA and turned on the news. The very street I was on the day before had a suicide bombing. I went into the bathroom and vomited.

The harsh reality of violence does not fully register until we have it effect us personally.

The first thing I should have told you is that my heart bleeds for you. It is my fault for being so insensitive that I just assumed that was already known. I have a wonderful Jewish friend who grew up in Egypt but was kicked out in the 1950's for being Jewish, he is very old and frail. I spoke of him awhile ago in that I was actually able to speak with him about Jesus after the outpouring of media on The Passion. He has family in Israel and just the other day he wound up in the hospital, his heart is not good and this whole thing is so hard on him. I am so afraid he is going to die. He must be one of the most sincere and sweet persons I have known. So knowing that about myself and my feelings for him I guess I just assume everyone would know that I feel this way.
Anyway, please pray for this man too that he comes to his spiritual understanding before his time comes to "fall asleep". I hate to see anyone die without being sure of what they believe :cry:

I really do pray for you and your pain, I am so sorry again if I did not come out that way.


Peace be with you all and may God's angels surround you and your families in loving protection during this horrible time. :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel:

[P_G]

I used to wonder, too. But, as Kelly mentioned, there were Jewish resistance fighters. In them, Jewish women fought as bravely as Jewish men.
This raised an image of a truely frightening spectre in my mind

Erin
Angry
Uzi

Are you getting the picutre?

My advice to Hamas in this situation?

Throw the chocolate

Run the other direction!


blessings

Pastor George :wave:

[Charlesinflorida]

Please everyone know that I am not a bad person. I didn't mean anything bad and I don't want contention between us. P4I I will BUY you an entire batch of cookies if we can all just get along :)

You are a sweet and gentle spirit Christy, a peacemaker at heart. Bless you. Let us pray for those Palestinians whom Elohim has called for Himself. There are many. Friends there have told me of many Islamic people, Palestinians who are having miraculas visitations from Angles and such and the Gospel is spreading like wild fire among the people.

As with most groups or nations, its people become the pawns and canon fotter of political agenda. These poor souls are trapped and it is very difficult to get out. We need to pray for these which are the property of Elohim and trapped in that system. We need to use our spiritual weapons of prayer and fasting to scatter their leaders who are the enemies of peace, of Jews of Christains, and all who are called Gods.

Charles the crazy one :help:

[Christy4Christ]

You are a sweet and gentle spirit Christy, a peacemaker at heart. Bless you. Let us pray for those Palestinians whom Elohim has called for Himself. There are many. Friends there have told me of many Islamic people, Palestinians who are having miraculas visitations from Angles and such and the Gospel is spreading like wild fire among the people.

As with most groups or nations, its people become the pawns and canon fotter of political agenda. These poor souls are trapped and it is very difficult to get out. We need to pray for these which are the property of Elohim and trapped in that system. We need to use our spiritual weapons of prayer and fasting to scatter their leaders who are the enemies of peace, of Jews of Christains, and all who are called Gods.

Charles the crazy one :help:

:prayer:

[P_G]

My husband tries to make me get fat! I think he feels then he won't have to worry about anyone looking at me!
I was going to tell you to tell your husband that with a smile like that - men will always find you attractive, But then I got concerned that he might like drop your dental insurance or something!

Q: Do you have the Joy of the Lord in your heart?
A: Yes

Good then TELL YOUR FACE!


Blessings

PG :wave:

[Christy4Christ]

LOL I dont have any dental insurance I rely on prayer alone for that!!! God help me keep my teeth for a few more lovely years!

PS thank you for the nice compliment :)

[cleaveun2him]

I know this is slightly off the subject, but since some of the above posters brought up the subject...do you know, is the Jewish community upset about the recent decision in France outlawing the wearing of any obvious religious symbols in the public schools. I know that this law was targeted more specifically at Moslems in France, but I understand that the law also pertains to the wearing of Yamaka's (sp?) and also large crosses. Personally, this decision by a supposedly 'modern' government is VERY troubling.

[SeraphWolf79]

My prayers go out to Israel, may God protect them from the hands of these evil men. :cry:

Christy, I hear ya about the dental insurance...I went through over 3 years of pain and discomfort from braces and fixing my teeth and now I don't have any dental insurance to keep them in good shape. I thank the Lord that He helps me & I'm still able to scrape up enough money to go in when I have problems :D

[ShirChadash]

I thought this might be of interest to someone here:

"Since early media reports misrepresented the IDF strike in a number of fundamental ways, be on the lookout for these four myths. "

story at:

http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/mediaobjectivity/Sheikh_Yassins_Happiest_Day.asp

[Domi_Adsum_05]

I know this is slightly off the subject, but since some of the above posters brought up the subject...do you know, is the Jewish community upset about the recent decision in France outlawing the wearing of any obvious religious symbols in the public schools. I know that this law was targeted more specifically at Moslems in France, but I understand that the law also pertains to the wearing of Yamaka's (sp?) and also large crosses. Personally, this decision by a supposedly 'modern' government is VERY troubling.
Thanks for bringing this up; many people don't seem to realize that the legislation affects all faiths, not just Muslims. I find this move by the French gov't disturbing for two reasons:

1.) It is anti-religion. This shouldn't surprise us considering the direction Europe is headed, but it's a crazy law. Secular fascists.
2.) It is raising Muslim ire against Jews and Christians because they seem to think that other religions aren't affected. It's not just hijabs being banned, brothers and sisters.

[Domi_Adsum_05]

I thought this might be of interest to someone here:

"Since early media reports misrepresented the IDF strike in a number of fundamental ways, be on the lookout for these four myths. "

story at:

http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/mediaobjectivity/Sheikh_Yassins_Happiest_Day.asp
Thanks for posting this. HonestReporting.com is the source for this report, and I very, very highly recommend them for anyone wishing to get a more balanced view of Israel: http://www.honestreporting.com

[Pray4Isrel]

LOL! Love the avatar, Tribe! :D

[Domi_Adsum_05]

LOL! Love the avatar, Tribe! :D
Thanks! Wolverine's THE MAN!

[P_G]

Pastor George proves that Messianics will argue about anything:


Thanks! Wolverine's THE MAN!
Is he really a man Tribe? I am not seeing any scriptural evedence to back that up in fact I am pretty convinced that Wolverine may be Nephilim. Can you back up your statement please?

Love

PG :wave:

[Pray4Isrel]

Pastor George proves that Messianics will argue about anything:



Is he really a man Tribe? I am not seeing any scriptural evedence to back that up in fact I am pretty convinced that Wolverine may be Nephilim. Can you back up your statement please?

Love

PG :wave:

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ShirChadash]

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_5_135.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)

[Domi_Adsum_05]

Is he really a man Tribe? I am not seeing any scriptural evedence to back that up in fact I am pretty convinced that Wolverine may be Nephilim. Can you back up your statement please?
You won't find it in Tanach, but it is clearly stated by Rav Claremont in Tractate Mutatis Mutandis (94:150) that Wolverine is a man. "For though his mien is that of an ravening animal, truly the Wolverine has a man's neshama."

[P_G]

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_5_135.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)
You know Zemmy your use of really fancy smilies could be considered mosdestly offensive to those of us who ascribe to a more traditional form of smiley.

Please try to be more sensitive ok?

:D

PG - Othodox Smiliest :wave:

[P_G]

You won't find it in Tanach, but it is clearly stated by Rav Claremont in Tractate Mutatis Mutandis (94:150) that Wolverine is a man. "For though his mien is that of an ravening animal, truly the Wolverine has a man's neshama."
See here is your whole problem Tribe I don't think the esteemed Rav Claremont was trying to say that Wolverine IS A MAN but more that he at times apears as a man and at that juncture that logic would dictate that if he sometimes apears as a man that he is not truely a man but something other than man.



PG :wave:

[ShirChadash]

:cry:

wahhhhhhhhh!

[ShirChadash]

:sorry: ps I think this is the first time I have ever almost been called a... Liberal! ;)

[P_G]

My deepest appology to Zemeriah

I did not mean to be offensive.
I just get so very worked up because of those of us who
do not use the newer fancier smileys really do have a hard time
adjusting to the visage of them in public.

I am sure that you did not mean to offend anyone

My bad


PG :sorry:

[Pray4Isrel]

/me sits back in her chair laughing so hard! What will her boss thinks when he sees her doubled over in laughter???

[ShirChadash]

out of a deep desire to communicate my respect for my brother's *cough* weak*cough* strongly held convictions against using even the most modest "special" smilies let me simply send hugs all around and close with











:D

[P_G]

Sorry gang I had to do it.

I beleive I have proven that we can and will
disagree on anything.

Kosher Smileys indeed.


I even made myself laugh that time


Blessings

Pastor Shecky Greene of the Catskills ^_^

[Pray4Isrel]

* P4I peels herself off of the ground

[ShirChadash]

Pastor umm Fred! :wave:
Othodox Smiliest
PG
Pastor Shecky Greene of the Catskills





:sorry: I'm schizophrenic and so am I. :cool:

[Pray4Isrel]

:sorry: I'm schizophrenic and so am I. :cool: BAaaaaaaaHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

http://www.christianforums.com/images/smilies/Happy.gifhttp://www.christianforums.com/images/smilies/Happy.gifhttp://www.christianforums.com/images/smilies/Happy.gif

[P_G]

Bless you all
I love you all

I am glad in the midst of such serious discussion we could laugh a bit.

For tears may come soon enough
Today I will share a smile and some laughter with my friends!


Blessings

I am going home and will try to learn how to play "Kadosh" on my recorder this evening.

Pastor George < The real one, who prays for each of you and who loves you though not as much as Y'shua does :wave:

[Sephania]

Arguments and comedy routines, yup this is the Jewish forum! :)

[Christy4Christ]

Arguments and comedy routines, yup this is the Jewish forum! :)


LMAO!!! Thats funny, you know I waitressed for awhile in a Kosher Jewish deli and most everyone that came in were older people (seniors) these people were great! One minute they were yelling at each other, or me :( about something and the next they were doing Jackie Mason type stuff! LOL too true! Gotta love em!

[ShirChadash]

Heeeheeeee Zayit!



And PG (the real one, er... all of ya anyway.) Love you brother.

Thank you so much folks for lightening and brightening my day -- as always. I too am glad that no one got upset over the levity (is that levitical btw?) on this thread...

[Hix]

I'm schizophrenic and so am I. :cool: [/font]


You stole my joke Zemmy!!

[ShirChadash]

oh buddy, that joke been mine for all your life lol!^_^

bwahahahaaa but I'll give ya credit iffn ya want it Hix.



Attention everyone: It's Hix's fault. :P

[Pray4Isrel]

PG, You are a blessing here... and you are truly one of a kind.
I mean, what kind of Pastor fellowships with Messianics, preaches with action figures on his pulpit, eats kosher and learns to play Kadosh at night?!? :)
Awesome!!!

[Domi_Adsum_05]

I mean, what kind of Pastor fellowships with Messianics, preaches with action figures on his pulpit, eats kosher and learns to play Kadosh at night?!? :)
Don't they all?? :confused:

[P_G]

PG, You are a blessing here... and you are truly one of a kind.
I mean, what kind of Pastor fellowships with Messianics, preaches with action figures on his pulpit, eats kosher and learns to play Kadosh at night?!? :)
Awesome!!!

I don't want that anyone should take me as misrepresenting myself I at this time am not keeping kosher. I am in the process of conviction and change in that regard.

All the other stuff is true though and I keep both the shabbat and the Lords Day Mostly cause I don't like working too hard on the weekend.

Hey Pastoring is a good gig! You work an hour and a half a week and all the cassaroles you can eat! Golly how I love church social tuna and macaroni bake! Oh goody Mrs Clark made one too! Can you imagine we had nine different versions each one worse errr um better than the last.

No wonder I am 45 pounds overweight and have no taste buds still living.

Well gotta go Mrs Clark awaits!


PG
:wave:

[Henaynei]

Arguments and comedy routines, yup this is the Jewish forum! :)
WE need a NEW name!!

The Borscht Forum!!

[Domi_Adsum_05]

WE need a NEW name!!
How about: Kvetch and Kvell ! ;)

[Plan 9]

oh buddy, that joke been mine for all your life lol!^_^

bwahahahaaa but I'll give ya credit iffn ya want it Hix.



Attention everyone: It's Hix's fault. :P Bah! That one's so old it has moss growing on it. I heard it as part of a poem as a young girl:

"Roses are red,
And violets are blue.
I'm schizophrenic,
and so am I."


Tribe! Wolverine is indeed The Man!

Those of us who can make inanimate and potentially dangerous objects spring from the backs of their hands must stick together. ;)

Behold! Seven of Nine with her injection tubules extended (but not into anyone's throat) :

http://happyplace.cherrytaco.com/forums/files/seven_s_assimilation_tubules_lg.jpg

[Domi_Adsum_05]

This is a good one:

[Domi_Adsum_05]

And this is a bad one:

[Adiel batKelev]

And this is a bad one:
That makes me so mad I'm nauseous....... uhg!:sick:

[yod]

Didn't he play the part of Sauroman on Lord of the Rings?

[ShirChadash]

That makes me so mad I'm nauseous....... uhg!:sick:
All I can seem to type is


DITTO!!!!!!!!


UGH! :cry:

[Sephania]

Very Bad! :(

[SeekingTorah]

Hi

This is your pal and brother Pastor George
I have attached a picture of where I used to work
Actually the place I used to work is now a big
hole in the ground filled with corpses
It was on the southern tip of Manhatten

It was a nice building well actually several nice
buildings and lots of people worked there
and one day lots of people died there.

They died there because some filthy vermon
er umm misguided men flew fuel laden airplanes into them.
I took this picture from New Jersey 3 days later.
The air was filled with smoke and the smell
of burnt flesh was everywhere.

I was supposed to be in that building that morning
But G-d said no I want you to do something else for me
so you stay home.

I should have died that day
My hands shake every day
I have something the Dr's call PTSD
It makes me cry at night a lot.

So if one of the buddies of those men who hurt so many people
and hurt the friends of mine that live in Isreal got blown up.
Please don't think less of me because I do not seem too
upset or if I don't pray for them.
Their god doesn't exist anyway
so there is no one to listen to those prayers.

Blessings
I am going to go puke now


Pastor George :cry:

:cry: :prayer: Words cannot describe how I feel your pain and still not be able to comprehend what you actually feel.

[SeekingTorah]

{{{Plan 9 and family}}} I am so, so sorry. I cannot even fathom what you have been through. May our Father always give you comfort and solace. I am just so sad about all of this

Amein....These posts are getting harder to read... :( :prayer: :cry:

[Verrid]

When I read the headlines of the world condemning Israel,I cant help but think the Edmund Burke quote :The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.I am also reminded of Osirak in 1981.
Back then the world condemned Israel for attacking an Iraqi nuclear reactor even though 13 feet under there was a secret installation for use in developing an atomic weapon.They had 200 tons of yellowcake,the deadly powder for making plutonium.
Years later we now know what Saddam Hussein was capable of and what his diabolical intent was.
Who knows how many more people Yassin would have murdered.I wonder what took the Israelis so long to take out Yassin,they put up with him for years.
Its about time!
We must take evil like this seriously!
There is a Jewish saying that goes like this: Never Again!