Slain in the Spirit? Help

[Sephania]

Has anyone here ( Messianics) ever experienced this? I think this just happened to my husband and I am a little unsure............... rather a little scared. Does this really happened? I have watched and read about Benny Hinn and how this is a "palour trick". Anything in the Talmud about this? I can't of anything in the Brit that would even be close except for Rabbi Shaul when he saw Yeshua.

Any help would be appreciated from you, he is still on the floor and says he can't move.

[Plan 9]

I'm sorry; I'm a gentile, but I have seen a great deal of this and I just wanted to assure you that he will find himself able to move and get up soon. Personally, I believe this phenonenon to be a combination of suggestion and an hysterical reaction to great emtion. However, even if I'm wrong, he'll still be fine as long as he hasn't stuck his head too hard, and since he is speaking to you, I doubt that he has. I just want you to know that he's okay, because you're understandably anxious for his welfare.

[WildCelt]

Why do you believe he is "slain in the spirit"? I guess without more information, I would recommend you seek medical attention rather than spiritual.

I do, however, tend to agree with Plan9. My first church experience was Pentecostal, so I have seen (and participated in) this. Athough I am unwilling to state carte blanche that all the outward "gifts of the Spirit" are bunk, I found being slain in the Spirit a little too much to swallow. All of the times I have observed individuals being slain was as a result of strong emotional energy.

[Plan 9]

I agree that if the belief that he has been "slain in the Spirit" is a mistaken one, he definitely needs medical attention.
As a matter of fact, WildCelt, I think your entire post is an excellent one. :)

[SpiritPsalmist]

I'm gentile, but I'm a little knowledgable of this

[simchat_torah]

Well Quaffer... mind sharing that knowledge ;)

[Henaynei]

I will weigh in - in scripture every instance mentioned of people falling down under any kind of positive infulence of G-d they ALL fell forward and the only time I recall anything that sounded liek them falling back was when the Roman soldiers at the tomb - antithetical to the truth of Yeshua - were overcome.

I spent much of my hellenistic years in the Pentecostal churches and saw much that called itself "moves of the spirit" - which I have come to understand as: demonic, flesh, pride, fear, manipulation, or outright falsification. It grieves me to no end that so much of this is still in MJism.

Just for your interest - I *do* speak in tongues, occasionally and I *do* believe in the ministry of the Rukah - but in no way in the fashion and degree that the hellenistic church does.....

/me is now searching for her well used asbestos long johns.....

[SpiritPsalmist]

Since I'm not in a forum where I am allowed to defend any negativity on the issues it is probably best that I remain silent.

[ShirChadash]

I will weigh in - in scripture every instance mentioned of people falling down under any kind of positive infulence of G-d they ALL fell forward and the only time I recall anything that sounded liek them falling back was when the Roman soldiers at the tomb - antithetical to the truth of Yeshua - were overcome.

I spent much of my hellenistic years in the Pentecostal churches and saw much that called itself "moves of the spirit" - which I have come to understand as: demonic, flesh, pride, fear, manipulation, or outright falsification. It grieves me to no end that so much of this is still in MJism.

Just for your interest - I *do* speak in tongues, occasionally and I *do* believe in the ministry of the Rukah - but in no way in the fashion and degree that the hellenistic church does.....

* Henaynei is now searching for her well used asbestos long johns.....
*Zemmy hands an extra pair of those long johns to Henny and takes a seat in her corner as well.

[simchat_torah]

I will weigh in - in scripture every instance mentioned of people falling down under any kind of positive infulence of G-d they ALL fell forward and the only time I recall anything that sounded liek them falling back was when the Roman soldiers at the tomb - antithetical to the truth of Yeshua - were overcome.

I spent much of my hellenistic years in the Pentecostal churches and saw much that called itself "moves of the spirit" - which I have come to understand as: demonic, flesh, pride, fear, manipulation, or outright falsification. It grieves me to no end that so much of this is still in MJism.

Just for your interest - I *do* speak in tongues, occasionally and I *do* believe in the ministry of the Rukah - but in no way in the fashion and degree that the hellenistic church does.....

I too come from a similar background, and would have similar conclusions as well. In every instance when presented with the prescence of HaShem people fell to their faces... never back.

But my question would be, does the absence of an example become proof?

hmmm....

[Plan 9]

People fall backwards when fainting. Is this fact at all useful?

[Plan 9]

Since I'm not in a forum where I am allowed to defend any negativity on the issues it is probably best that I remain silent.

erm...now I'm feeling confused about the forum rules because you're displaying a Messianic icon, Quaffer, and also because you were invited to give your opinion. :help:

[simchat_torah]

because you're displaying a Messianic icon
ahhh... yes... quite ;)

[ShirChadash]

Quaffer, we love you Hun. I don't know what rule you might be breaking, or why it would be a problem or whatever. But I sure hope you know your opinion would be welcomed -- I'd love it. I have had a lot of charismatic-church experince, have been "slain" many times in years long gone by, I admit I have a very skeptical view of it now... but I truly would like your thoughts as well and I value your opinion, Quaffer. :hug:

[SpiritPsalmist]

I was wondering when someone would notice the icon ;) I have a brief explanation in my profile.

I'm feeling that I'm not really ready to take on dissagreements in this forum on issues that I won't defend to the death yet I have definate positive opinions on.

I guess I will just start with a couple of questions: Does Torah (Holy Bible) allow us to do only exactly as we see exampled for us by other humans? Is there no room for the human personality to come forth in it's being overcome by a presense greater than itself?

While there may be some in the Charasmatic/Penticostal camp who are ill-informed on the issue, I do not view this "event", for lack of a better word, as something God does "to" us, but as our physical and emotional reaction to His presense.

[ShirChadash]

*nod* That's an interesting take on it Quaffer -- I would find that a reasonable view, in some cases at least.



BTW, ((((Quaffer)))) You changed your icon! You know I like ya anyway lol, but it's sure nice to see a Torah Scroll by your name.

[Mordechai18]

Does Torah (Holy Bible) allow us to do only exactly as we see exampled for us by other humans? Is there no room for the human personality to come forth in it's being overcome by a presense greater than itself?

Well, there's no rule in Torah stating that your tallit katan must be white. I'm looking for a green one or one with the phrase, "My abba went to schul and all I got was this talles" on it.
^_^

[Sephania]

:( Sorry I asked.

[SpiritPsalmist]

:( Sorry I asked.
:scratch: why? :confused:

[ShirChadash]

:scratch: why? :confused:
I wondered too. =/

Blessings all, and a wonderful Sabbath.

[Plan 9]

Yes, why, Zayit, and how's your husband????

[simchat_torah]

Well, there's no rule in Torah stating that your tallit katan must be white. I'm looking for a green one or one with the phrase, "My abba went to schul and all I got was this talles" on it.

Mordy... as long as it is of "masculine" colors, you are kosher ;)

[SpiritPsalmist]

*nod* That's an interesting take on it Quaffer -- I would find that a reasonable view, in some cases at least. My personal opinion is that is the "correct" view :D I think there is a lot that goes on that is not necessarily God. But it's not necessarily the devil either.

I agree there is a lot of immature and abusive things that people do and then blame it on Holy Spirit. However, as we grow and mature in Him, we should also grow and mature in operation of those gifts, not just continue to use them immaturely. Nor do I believe we should chuck them out the window because all people have not learned to operate in them "correctly". . .if there is such a thing.


BTW, ((((Quaffer)))) You changed your icon! You know I like ya anyway lol, but it's sure nice to see a Torah Scroll by your name.:) Yea, just wanted to get the feel of it. I have a brief explanation in my profile.

[Christy4Christ]

Is Zayit's husband alright???

[The Thadman]

Has anyone here ( Messianics) ever experienced this? I think this just happened to my husband and I am a little unsure............... rather a little scared. Does this really happened? I have watched and read about Benny Hinn and how this is a "palour trick". Anything in the Talmud about this? I can't of anything in the Brit that would even be close except for Rabbi Shaul when he saw Yeshua.

Any help would be appreciated from you, he is still on the floor and says he can't move.

First of all, let me say that I no longer have the privilege of disbelieving Spiritual gifts, or demonic warfare. I was "infested" with a demon for some time and it was exorcized (a story in and of itself, blood coming out of one's nose is NOT fun), I've spoken in tongues (the languages of man and of angels), interepreted tongues (my, at that time soon-to-be-roommate, burst into Aramaic, not knowing the language), had visions (which came to pass), saw manifestations of demonic power (which took on the form of these orbs, or balls of light), prophesied (heavy duty stuff), and experienced prophesy (through my Other Half). All of this through the glory of God. :-)

Being "slain in the spirit" however, I have always been skeptical of, as its symptoms follow almost completely with those of hysteria. Some people can lose their eyesight, like my Other Half when she was very stressed, get migraines, see lights, lose feeling in limbs, etc. but this can be discerned from that which is Spiritual (i.e. when what you think may be a hallucination passes the tests set down in Torah and Paul's writings). I honestly do not know if it is God working through someone, but there is no Biblical precedent for it, as far as I have read in my memory. Most major Televangelists preach it and demonstrate it, and many Televangelists I do not see God working through :-)

Until I experience it, I'm not certain, but until then I'm going to be VERY leery.

Shlâmâ,
-Steve-o

[Hix]

Has anyone here ( Messianics) ever experienced this? I think this just happened to my husband and I am a little unsure............... rather a little scared. Does this really happened? I have watched and read about Benny Hinn and how this is a "palour trick". Anything in the Talmud about this? I can't of anything in the Brit that would even be close except for Rabbi Shaul when he saw Yeshua.

Any help would be appreciated from you, he is still on the floor and says he can't move.


Deuteronomy 13:1 - The entire word that I command you, that shall you observe to do; you shall not add to it and you shall not subtract from it. If there should stand up in your midst a prophet or a dreamer of a dream, and he will produce to you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes about, of which he spoke to you, saying "Let us follow gods of others that you did not know and we shall worship them!"; do not hearken to the words of that prophet or to that dreamer of a dream, for HASHEM, your G-d, is testing you to know whether you love HASHEM, your G-d with all your heart and with all your soul. HASHEM, your G-d, shall you follow and Him shall you fear; His commandments shall you observe and to His voice shall you hearken; Him shall you serve and to Him shall you cleave. And that prophet and that dreamer of a dream shall be put to death, for he had spoken perversion against HASHEM, your G-d Who takes you out of the land of Egypt, and Who redeems you from the house of slavery to make you stray from the path on which HASHEM, you G-d, has commanded you to go; and you shall destroy the evil from your midst.

From reading this passage we can gain three things. First of all as is mentioned at the top, Torah is ment to be followed eternally (of cource ;)), but after that it delves into prophets and divine dreamers. An example of this is benny hinn for example, it says that if he comes along and performs miracles, even if the miracles come TRUE, if he changes the way things were when this was given at Sinai then he is false. He has been sent by G-d to test us to see if we will hold true to the one eternal true G-d.

Now lets look at Benny Hinn, hes a weirdo, and a palestinian but ignoring that for the time being. He preaches that Torah is done away with, and he also preaches that people should worship someone other than HaShem. Both these are distinct changes from things at Sinai. The people were commanded to follow the Torah and they knew only one G-d, HaShem. So therefor, even if he does do all this "in the spirit, pushing people over, miracle healing" etc etc he is FALSE.

This actually leads to another interesting point, the Torah says that those who follow the true HaShem would always be a small minority in the world. I often wonder what the likes of benny hinn would say to that.

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

[JewishHeart]

My view is close to Quaffers. I have personally been overwhelmed by the shekina presence of God. If you just think one second about people who've had encounters with God in the Bible, something always happened. Hey next thing you know some of the people who claim this experience to be true will come out of a worship service with their faces glowing ( like Moshe). I remember once laying under the power of the Ruach HaKodesh hours and felt waves of His glory pouring over me. I felt the love of Abba father and His Son Yeshua. I got up from that experience totally changed, I fell deeper in love with Yeshua ( and not just the experience, but Yeshua Himself). I have shaken before as well.

FOR ME IT IS NOT THE MANIFESTATION that happens when we meet with G-d, but rather the MEETING WITH GOD ! I don't care if I shake, roll, scream, laugh, or do nothing, just as long as I meet with G-d !

Critics or Revival Chasers - both concentrate too much on manifestations rather than on the SUBJECT of the manifestation - a divine encounter with the Holy Spirit.

This is the true test of a charismatic - do you love the gifts more than the Giver?

BTW- I found a majority of revivals ( Toronto, Brownsville, Redding) to genuinely want G-d and have seen many people go to these meetings and come back totally changed ( repentance, deeper in love with Yeshua).

I don't want to hear any messianic mumble jumble that it isn't real if they don't come out practicing Halacha or the feasts.

I also received revelation to keep the feasts, love for Israel, keep kosher, love the Torah, etc from the Holy Spirit; but the Holy Spirit always points to Yeshua first!!!

I feel the presence of God everytime I light the Shabatt candles, my wife and I sometimes break out in laughter !

By the way - it would be good for people here to read my wife's testimony.

www.simeonscry.org

[P_G]

Beloved

Be not quick to lay hands

I am not going to get into a defense argument of any other pastor or preacher. I am in no posistion to say who is true and who is false.

Slain in the spirit yeah it's real alright. And yes when you are really slain it won't matter if there is a "catcher" or not you will go down and down hard!

Yes I have gone down backwards and forwards.
And yes I lay hands on people
And yes they go down - HARD
No you can't get up till the Lord shall release you.
Yes I have seen people phoney it up
And Yes I know who they are when it happens.
Yes people do fall forward and sometimes backwards


Now as to the falling forward thing when I personally pray for people and annoint them I have people who are surrounding the person I am praying for and my prayer team is sensitive to what is going on. I am in no posistion to catch anyone.

Last night we had a major healing service
And I ened up so weak aftewards I could barely walk myself
Bless my brothers that help me!

The report
One Atshma attack completely restored with one touch
One severe bad back healed that night
One person who was lost comming to the church suddenly saw the light we prayed for to guide her in (a glow atop the roof - This is more significant than time allows me to discuss)
Apparently the virus in my own wifes body decided to go away also

From last week our dear sister Patty's hair has nearly all grown back! Mind you She is prayed over constantly so it does not surprise me.

And beleive me it aint me! It really aint me!!
I am mostly like Balaams mule - a talking donkey at best.

So there is the experiences of one night - one pastor - one place of worship.

Perhaps I am a fraud! I accept no money not ever and I have no fame for the Glory belongs to the Lord!

Bless his name



Bless you too!

Much Love

Pastor George :wave:

[Christy4Christ]

I still want to know if Zayit's husband is alright. Has anyone heard from her since this?

[SpiritPsalmist]

I still want to know if Zayit's husband is alright. Has anyone heard from her since this?
:scratch: I don't understand why we think something is wrong. Being overwhelmed by God's presense is not something that physically hurts us. I'ts not a disease. Why would'nt he be ok?

[WildCelt]

Perhaps she was looking at it from the medical standpoint...

[Sephania]

Yes, thank you to those that were concerned, I do appreciate it very much.







First my experience: I have watched that Benny Hinn on TV numerous times and was always skeptical. I did some research on him online and found out many interesting things of which I won't go in here in details, needless to say I have always cautioned on the hesitant side of anything abnormal being the work of HaSatan.







Here is the situation. My husband has been struggling big time for quite awhile with his faith. This has been a long weekend indeed but I am feeling that we are finally starting to see the light at the end of a very long tunnel.







My husband is a Vietnam Veteran and for anyone who has a relative or friend or even yourself that fought in this war, and saw combat, well that should be all I have to say. Because of what his country called him to do he has been struggling with his acceptance of Yeshua in his life. HaSatan has been telling him over and over in many ways that his sins are too grievous; HaShem could never truly forgive him, let alone love him. And because of this he could never fully open his heart to Him. Friday he was home from work and we were talking and I had asked him something, and then we were reading from the word and he said to me that he didn't think that the L-rd loved him, he cried out and shook the Bible in front of him and was saying where is the answer to my problem? ( But he was not hysterical, my husband is as far from hysterical than anyone I know, that is my job ;) ) He then went into the other room and ( this I found out later) was praying and asking the L-rd if he loved him? He also told Him that he needed to know this for sure because he couldn't understand how or why HaShem would even do it because of his past.







He says that he was standing in front of the window, in front of our loveseat, praying and he remembers feeling like someone was gently holding his shoulders ( my explanation of what he explained to me) and rocking him back and forth and side to side. I do that in worship so that doesn't mean anything extraordinary to me, but he does not. Next he says he felt like being pushed by the shoulders and he went down. This is the thud I heard, he landed on the floor. Now our living room where he was is carpeted with very thick padding. I wasn't worried about his head ( he has a hard one, always cracking it on the garage door ;) ) but what might be spiritually happening to him as I have never seen this or heard about this happening to someone by themselves ( but not totally alone as i was there). I did not want to “break any communication” if this was the L-rd doing this but wanted to assure myself if he was alright or not. I knead down besides him and called his name about a half dozen times and then he shook his head like I had slapped him and his eyes came wide open and he looked startled and it took a moment for him to see where I was (behind his head looking down over him) and he answered me. I asked him if he was all right and he said “yes”. So I walked around the stairwell and came into the living room through another entrance down near where his feet were. BTW he was spread eagle, which I don’t think he would have been if he had tried to catch himself. And his arms were spread out wide. I was not sure what to do, hence coming here for advice.



I have to say for the most part the first few answers to my post made me feel foolish, and without discernment, as well as being scoffed at. I am sure you all meant well but it was not helpful. If anything it made me think that we were under serious spiritual attack and I was not sure what to do. I was going to call my Rabbi, but I felt the L-rd was telling me not to.



I waited a few minutes and then I went back in and put a pillow under his head. He had told me he couldn’t move but at that time he could slightly lift his head, but nothing else. IN a few minutes he got up and came into the office where I was and told me what happened.



He told me that he felt himself falling but couldn’t stop it (after describing what had lead up to this) and felt himself hit the floor but that it didn’t hurt. He then said he tried to move but couldn’t. He didn’t feel any weigh holding him just that he thought he heard the L-rd say to him not to move yet. This is when he said that HaShem spoke to him and told him that what I had been telling him about being worthy of his love was true and that he really did love him. Just remembered that when he came into the office after this that I asked him what had happened and he told me that first he had to tell me something else and that what we had been talking about before about him being worthy of G-ds love was true, that He had told him that and something else I can’t remember right now.



Anyway, Nothing happened the rest of the day but he went into prayer right before Shabbat started and was praying for over an hour and was late coming to the Shabbat table.



Yesterday in the morning he had come down and made coffee and then was flipping through the channels on the TV to see if he could find anything worthwhile on the stations and he said something ( ONE) told him to put on this one channel. They were showing the movie “The Killing Fields”. I know this movie is relatively old but he has never watched it.

He watched the whole thing.



I had been lazing around in bed ( and now I know why cause I usually don’t do that) and when I came down the movie was just getting over. I came into the office and sat at the computer and he came in shortly afterwards and he was choked up quite a bit and told me he needed to talk to me.



I will continue this when my hands stop hurting. Too much typing today. :)

[WildCelt]

Wow, Zayit, what an ordeal! I will be praying for you and your husband.

I certianly hope you did not feel I was scoffing at you, I was not. I work in the mental health field, and am a registered social worker. Through my vocation I have learned that whenever "abnormal" behaviors are manifest, always rule out medical reasons first. I suppose that's where I was going in my post. It certainly appears from your description there was something supernatural going on.

[ILY]

Shalom Zayit,

I read with great interest your statements about your husband, and certainly it is a huge struggle.Some of the Vietnam Vets I know struggle to overcome their past, which is so hard for us that haven't experienced such to understand.Certainly David sinned against Uriah the Hittite, and many other sins, but he was forgiven.

I will be praying for your husband as well.It's so easy to tell them they are loved and forgiven, but one must forgive themselves first is my guess.I apologize as I am struggling to find the words.

I think these words are relevant:
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.


Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.


Mat 11:30 For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light.

shalom and shalom to you and yours. :)

ILY <><

[Christy4Christ]

:scratch: I don't understand why we think something is wrong. Being overwhelmed by God's presense is not something that physically hurts us. I'ts not a disease. Why would'nt he be ok?
yeah I don't think that being overwhelmed by God's presence requires medical attention. Please read through the thread again and you will see that others advised her to seek medical attention, I was just following up on that.

[SpiritPsalmist]

Yes, thank you to those that were concerned, I do appreciate it very much.

First my experience: I have watched that Benny Hinn on TV numerous times and was always skeptical. I did some research on him online and found out many interesting things of which I won't go in here in details, needless to say I have always cautioned on the hesitant side of anything abnormal being the work of HaSatan.


Here is the situation. My husband has been struggling big time for quite awhile with his faith. This has been a long weekend indeed but I am feeling that we are finally starting to see the light at the end of a very long tunnel.


My husband is a Vietnam Veteran and for anyone who has a relative or friend or even yourself that fought in this war, and saw combat, well that should be all I have to say. Because of what his country called him to do he has been struggling with his acceptance of Yeshua in his life. HaSatan has been telling him over and over in many ways that his sins are too grievous; HaShem could never truly forgive him, let alone love him. And because of this he could never fully open his heart to Him. Friday he was home from work and we were talking and I had asked him something, and then we were reading from the word and he said to me that he didn't think that the L-rd loved him, he cried out and shook the Bible in front of him and was saying where is the answer to my problem? ( But he was not hysterical, my husband is as far from hysterical than anyone I know, that is my job ;) ) He then went into the other room and ( this I found out later) was praying and asking the L-rd if he loved him? He also told Him that he needed to know this for sure because he couldn't understand how or why HaShem would even do it because of his past.

He says that he was standing in front of the window, in front of our loveseat, praying and he remembers feeling like someone was gently holding his shoulders ( my explanation of what he explained to me) and rocking him back and forth and side to side. I do that in worship so that doesn't mean anything extraordinary to me, but he does not. Next he says he felt like being pushed by the shoulders and he went down. This is the thud I heard, he landed on the floor. Now our living room where he was is carpeted with very thick padding. I wasn't worried about his head ( he has a hard one, always cracking it on the garage door ;) ) but what might be spiritually happening to him as I have never seen this or heard about this happening to someone by themselves ( but not totally alone as i was there). I did not want to “break any communication” if this was the L-rd doing this but wanted to assure myself if he was alright or not. I knead down besides him and called his name about a half dozen times and then he shook his head like I had slapped him and his eyes came wide open and he looked startled and it took a moment for him to see where I was (behind his head looking down over him) and he answered me. I asked him if he was all right and he said “yes”. So I walked around the stairwell and came into the living room through another entrance down near where his feet were. BTW he was spread eagle, which I don’t think he would have been if he had tried to catch himself. And his arms were spread out wide. I was not sure what to do, hence coming here for advice.



I have to say for the most part the first few answers to my post made me feel foolish, and without discernment, as well as being scoffed at. I am sure you all meant well but it was not helpful. If anything it made me think that we were under serious spiritual attack and I was not sure what to do. I was going to call my Rabbi, but I felt the L-rd was telling me not to.



I waited a few minutes and then I went back in and put a pillow under his head. He had told me he couldn’t move but at that time he could slightly lift his head, but nothing else. IN a few minutes he got up and came into the office where I was and told me what happened.



He told me that he felt himself falling but couldn’t stop it (after describing what had lead up to this) and felt himself hit the floor but that it didn’t hurt. He then said he tried to move but couldn’t. He didn’t feel any weigh holding him just that he thought he heard the L-rd say to him not to move yet. This is when he said that HaShem spoke to him and told him that what I had been telling him about being worthy of his love was true and that he really did love him. Just remembered that when he came into the office after this that I asked him what had happened and he told me that first he had to tell me something else and that what we had been talking about before about him being worthy of G-ds love was true, that He had told him that and something else I can’t remember right now.



Anyway, Nothing happened the rest of the day but he went into prayer right before Shabbat started and was praying for over an hour and was late coming to the Shabbat table.



Yesterday in the morning he had come down and made coffee and then was flipping through the channels on the TV to see if he could find anything worthwhile on the stations and he said something ( ONE) told him to put on this one channel. They were showing the movie “The Killing Fields”. I know this movie is relatively old but he has never watched it.

He watched the whole thing.



I had been lazing around in bed ( and now I know why cause I usually don’t do that) and when I came down the movie was just getting over. I came into the office and sat at the computer and he came in shortly afterwards and he was choked up quite a bit and told me he needed to talk to me.



I will continue this when my hands stop hurting. Too much typing today. :)
Thank you so much for sharing all this with us. I will try and keep my response short. :)

Please forgive me if I don't use the Jewish words in my sharing. From my experience, I have found many an emotional wound to be healed under the working of the Holy Spirit. It does not seem to matter what name is given it. There really is no such term "slain in the Spirit", to be found in the Word. However, as a Pastor I had use to put it, it was more like being on God's operating table.

Only God knows the inner man. Only God's finger can reach inside a man and heal what hurts. I believe, that this is what happened with your husband. He cried out with a pure heart to God and God laid him on the operating table to begin work.

I will pray for continued progress in your husband's walk with God. He is on his way to recovery. :) And to acceptance of God in his life and knowing that his sins are forgiven.

Hugs,

Quaffer

[SpiritPsalmist]

yeah I don't think that being overwhelmed by God's presence requires medical attention. Please read through the thread again and you will see that others advised her to seek medical attention, I was just following up on that.
I was not intending to be offensive. I did read it all and was curious the whole time why medical attention would be advised for this. Again, I'm sorry.

[Christy4Christ]

I was not intending to be offensive. I did read it all and was curious the whole time why medical attention would be advised for this. Again, I'm sorry.
No you didn't offend me at all :)

I was just clearing up why I was thinking along the lines of medical attention ..

[Sephania]

Thank you all for your kind words. :hug:

I should finish what happened after he was lead by the L-rd to watch "The Killing Fields".

He told me about being lead to watch this movie and asked if I had ever seen it, I told him "no". He briefly told me that it was about "what they did" in Vietnam, he called them "atrocities". And he started crying and told me some details about what he did that he had never shared before, I pretty much had an idea but never asked him to go there, I knew he couldn't and shouldn't until he was ready. He broke down and asked me how could G-d love him?

Well the L-rd started bringing scriptures to mind. First I believe was Psalms 51, verse 7, of which I was very familiar:



Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me and I shall be whiter than snow



and then verse 10:



Create in me a clean heart, O G-d; renew a right spirit within me.

Then he lead me to Hosea and Matthew where the L-rd says "I desire mercy and not sacrifice". I told him that the L-rd did not want him sacrificing to him in guilt, but he wanted to show him mercy, if only he would allow HaShem to do this.

Then he asked me if the L-rd could really forgive all he had done, all his sins and the L-rd gave me these verses:



Psalms 103 Bless the L-RD O my soul and all that is within me, bless His Holy name. ...................Who forgiveth all thine iniquities who healeth all thy diseases, who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies; who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagles.

These were very important verses as he could see that for over 30 years he had been carrying this burden and it had been weighing him down but he could reclaim the joy of his youth without the guilt no longer plaguing him.

Then we went on to verse 10:



He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities. For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him. As far as the east is from the west , so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. Like a father pitieth his children, so the LORD has mercy on those that fear him. (10-13)


He is still repeating this to himself "As far as the east is from the west " as we all should when the tempter comes to pull us down.
Then I was lead to Psalm 25


Psalm 25

1 Unto thee, O LORD, do I lift up my soul.

2 O my God, I trust in thee: let me not be ashamed, let not mine enemies triumph over me.

3 Yea, let none that wait on thee be ashamed: let them be ashamed which transgress without cause.

4 Shew me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths.

5 Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day.

6 Remember, O LORD, thy tender mercies and thy lovingkindnesses; for they have been ever of old.

7 Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O LORD.

I told him that his enemy was HaSatan and what he was trying to make him believe about G-d was not true.

Verse 7 really got to him as he sat and contemplated what King David was referring to here and remembering that this pain and guilt was from his youth as well. Then the L-rd really brought it all together by bringing us back to Psalm 51, verse 14





14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.
15 O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.
16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

He was really blown away by all this. He shook his head in wonder and proclaimed “there really are all the answers in here and they are speaking just to me!” I too was amazed at the trail through the scriptures that Adonai had taken us and how he used these to answer my husband questions and deepest fears.


Last night he said to me before going to sleep,

“It feels so good to be clean”! :)

[Plan 9]

:scratch: I don't understand why we think something is wrong. Being overwhelmed by God's presense is not something that physically hurts us. I'ts not a disease. Why would'nt he be ok?
Zayit has given us a moving and inspiring account of G-d working in her husband's life, and of her part in it, and, as someone who knows that many of our troubled Vietnam vets here live on the street, with no family to care for them and Veteran's hospital services pared to the bone, this account gives me renewed hope for all.
Thank you for sharing this with us, Zayit! :)

That being said, I am one of a minority of people who, having had such an experience, no matter how beneficial in nature I found it, would need to discuss it with my doctor afterward, and she would be quite likely to respond by ordering a test or two.
In doing so, neither she or I would be necessarily be questioning the validity of my experience as G-d's gift to me. The Good L-ord is always capable of bringing good from bad, no? :)

[SpiritPsalmist]

Yayit has given us a moving and inspiring account of G-d working in her husband's life, and of her part in it, and, as someone who knows that many of our troubled Vietnam vets here live on the street, with no family to care for them and Veteran's hospital services pared to the bone, this account gives me renewed hope for all.
Thank you for sharing this with us, Yayit! :)

That being said, I am one of a minority of people who, having had such an experience, no matter how beneficial in nature I found it, would need to discuss it with my doctor afterward, and she would be quite likely to respond by ordering a test or two.
In doing so, neither she or I would be necessarily be questioning the validity of my experience as G-d's gift to me. The Good L-ord is always capable of bringing good from bad, no? :)I'm not sure I'm following your question. . .sorry. I've grown up seeing this type of response to God moving and have yet to see anyone require medical help. My question was just to understand why someone would suggest it.

No, I don't believe going to the dr is ever bad. . .except when you are charged money and nothing is wrong. ;P

[Plan 9]

I'm not sure I'm following your question. . .sorry. I've grown up seeing this type of response to God moving and have yet to see anyone require medical help. My question was just to understand why someone would suggest it.
Quaffer, I purposely haven't gone into detail because I see this as an opportunity to celebrate G-d's healing work in the life of Zayit's husband's life, rather than focus on my physical infirmities, and those of others. :)

No, I don't believe going to the dr is ever bad. . .except when you are charged money and nothing is wrong. ;P
I am always thrilled when I go to the doctor to find that something which might have been wrong with me is not. ;)

[SpiritPsalmist]

Quaffer, I purposely haven't gone into detail because I see this as an opportunity to celebrate G-d's healing work in the life of Zayit's husband's life, rather than focus on my physical infirmities, and those of others. :)


I am always thrilled when I go to the doctor to find that something which might have been wrong with me is not. ;)
:clap: I agree.

[Sephania]

Well going for a check-up at the doctors right now is not an option. My husband just started a new job ( another gift of the L-rd's, this job is a 10hr per day 4 day week with Fridays off!) and we have no insurance as of yet so will have to fully trust the physician in the sky, and I think that He did it at this particular time when we don't have insurance just so my husband can "excercise" his trust in the L-rd to watch over all things for him. Amen!