Please check this thread

[P_G]

I don't know if this is an allowable post or not and if it is not please Mods feel free to delete it and let me know I wont do it again.

There is a thread regarding "Do Jews Beleive in the Same God" as Christians?

Now I am not getting too far with the discussion and would invite all yall to throw in your comments.

http://www.christian-forums.com/t104022&page=2

Blessings

Love

PG :wave:

[seebs]

As someone who is considered P/R/E by forum rules, let me just say that I am saddened beyond words by this. I have no idea what to say.

Actually, I have lots of things I could say. They would almost all be violations of forum rules.

[Pray4Isrel]

I can't comment in that thread... it deeply angers me and frustrates me.
Gret job, Pastor George, for refuting their misinformation.
:(

[P_G]

I can't comment in that thread... it deeply angers me and frustrates me.
Gret job, Pastor George, for refuting their misinformation.
:(
Alas
Being the token Messianic Gentile puts me in a tricky posisition
If anyone has some read and wants to send me a PM then cool

Meanwhile

Ruach Ha'Kodesh anointeth my spirit that I may speak in truth and love in this matter!

PG :wave:

[ShirChadash]

Amen. I'm praying for you PG. May the Ruach Elohim rest sweetly, with a steady heaviness upon your shoulders... and go before you to prepare the way in the hearts of your readers... and may you speak the Truth in love.


Shalom

[Hix]

This is so sad, nothing but sheer ignorance.

[Pray4Isrel]

Let's not play their game.
I think we should show grace to those that have been taught incorrectly and gently lead them to the Truth.
If we respond in the same manner, they will never see the light...
We indeed serve the great I AM.
May they be encouraged to come seek the truth.

[Pray4Isrel]

I would like to apologize to anyone that has seen my anger.
This is truly a touchy subject for me...
:(

[Hix]

:( your telling me.....dang anti-semitism rears its ugly head again. These people need serious prayer

[Pray4Isrel]

So let's pray:

Abba,
Give us all peace and understanding within the MJ Forum. Bind us together in our broken hearts and let us remember that it is not us they persecute, but you. May we be a light to help guide them in Truth and see the error of thier ways. We realize that it is from a lack of knowledge that people perish. Let us show Grace because of the Grace you've shown us.
Use us. Heal us. Guide us.
And may your Love and Slavation be as a blazing torch.
Amen.

[ShirChadash]

((((my brethren in Yeshua))))

Sad to see this here. But I am not surprised... I kinda knew it would resurface.

[P_G]

Hey can I say something here?

I just saw how like everyone from MJ descended on that thread and didn't leave
me to debate alone. I got beat to death in that area not too long ago simply preaching love instead of law.

I just wanted to say how sweet all y'all are
and that I love you guys and gals. To put up
with some old country preacher that just wants all
of Gods children to come home.

I carry many titles many tags
Seems like nobody wants to play fair
or simply do what Jesus did.


Blessings

I weep

Pastor George :cry:

[ShirChadash]

{{{{{George}}}}}

[Hix]

G-d bless you PG and shine brightly on you for your love of his people. Take comfort that he says "I shall bless those who bless thee and curse those that curseth thee" :)

Your part of the "family". Gotta stick together when the yetzer hara stirs up such hatred as is seen on said thread.

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

[ShirChadash]

So let's pray:

Abba,
Give us all peace and understanding within the MJ Forum. Bind us together in our broken hearts and let us remember that it is not us they persecute, but you. May we be a light to help guide them in Truth and see the error of thier ways. We realize that it is from a lack of knowledge that people perish. Let us show Grace because of the Grace you've shown us.
Use us. Heal us. Guide us.
And may your Love and Slavation be as a blazing torch.
Amen.
:cry:

Amen and amen

[Plan 9]

I, too, am considered P/R/E by the forum rules and I found that thread appalling. :(
*hangs head*

[ShirChadash]

Plan 9 -- many blessings, hugs and love. (((Yeshua's love surround you)))

[P_G]

I, too, am considered P/R/E by the forum rules and I found that thread appalling. :(
*hangs head*


My oh my
I was told last week I was not Protestant
I am not Jewish
I am not Catholic
Jehovahs Witness, Nope
Mormon? Bhudist? Muslim nope nope and NO WAY!

You know I think I am having an identity crisis!

But hey HIX and I agreed on something today
THAT IS SOOOOOOOOOO COOL!


Love you little brother!

Pastor George :hug:

[ShirChadash]

I'm not Jewish either...


and while I have been intensively Catholic, Protestant, Charismatic, Fundamentalist, Calvimenian, Messianic and just plain ol berean believer and more... all at appropriate points in my walk with Yeshua... sometimes my spirit is lonely and tired, grieving over the lines drawn by the members of the Body of believers on earth.

The more I learn, the more I know I have yet to learn, and the more I feel with every fibre of my being -- and am getting to know -- my own Jewish soul within me. And I am more at home here among my Jewish Messianic brethren, and non-Jewish Messianic brethren, than I have felt in years with anyone but my own family.

[Plan 9]

Plan 9 -- many blessings, hugs and love. (((Yeshua's love surround you)))

Thank you, Zimirah. :blush:

[Mordechai18]

Wow, that thread sure doesn't make me want to rush right out and attend church and get baptised.
I can understand them saying that we Jews are misguided or wrong (or stiff-necked, even), but to say that we don't even worship G-d (and then get offended that we leave the "o" out as a sign of respect)??

My gosh. That was enlightening. :sigh:

[seebs]

I've been thinking about it for hours, and I'm still stunned.

[Dominus Fidelis]

Another seebs of wisdom post for my collection:


I am pretty sure that Christianity runs into foundational problems if Jesus is wrong about God.


ROFL :D

:clap:

[Plan 9]

Wow, that thread sure doesn't make me want to rush right out and attend church and get baptised. Why not, Mordechai? Doesn't being mistreated, insulted and told to abandon G-d for polytheism make you want to embrace the ways of your abusers? ;)

I can understand them saying that we Jews are misguided or wrong (or stiff-necked, even), but to say that we don't even worship G-d (and then get offended that we leave the "o" out as a sign of respect)?? I confess I missed that one, and it may have been just as well; I was already so enraged I was about to chew my leg off. If I'd seen that, I'd have posted a third time and gotten myself banned.

My gosh. That was enlightening. :sigh: I am so sorry, Mordechai! :(
I'd say they were born in a barn, except that it's an insult to farm animals.
It certainly was enlightening, and there must be some other designation I can use besides "Christian". As poor a follower of Yeshua as I admit I am, I'm still ashamed to be confused with them for even a second, and according to the guidelines, that's supposed to be my forum. It's humiliating! grumble grumble grumble just shoot me grumble grumble rant

[ShirChadash]

I agree with you all. 2:45 in the morning and I am still stunned. just about the most heart-sickening display of disdain and hatred I've seen in, oh, a decade or so, i think.
shedding tender tears for my Jewish and non-Jewish brethren alike,
~z~

[WildCelt]

I am coming a bit late in this thread/the other thread (funny how a few hours is somehow ancient past in internet time :) ), but I am likewise deeply shocked and saddened. I guess I had never come across that sort of idea in my 20+ year Christian walk.

This whole thing makes me want to change my icon! As a matter of fact, I'm going to. I hadn't realized how far my thinking had come until that thread. I believe I am ready to take upon the yoke of Yeshua and follow Him fully by willingly placing myself under the Torah's guidance.

This has been something my wife and I have been struggling with and considering for a while now, and I am feeling led to actually make the committment instead of continuing to kick it around. (My wife wanted to wait until we got to Vayikra in our Torah study and were "commanded" to do so, but I think she's ready now as well :) )

Please pray for my wife and I, chaverim.

[ShirChadash]

((((Wildcelt)))) We're with you, Loved One. I will add you and yours to my prayer list :)

[WildCelt]

Thank you, Zemirah

[Henaynei]

The affore mentioned thread has been closed - the moderator felt it was an unfair discussion as the very ones being talked about were not allowed to debate in that forum- per forum-wide CF rules. (Just like our similar rule here :) )

May I suggest that we leave off the discussion of this topic in THIS forum, for the same reasons?? I'm sure you can understand the wisdom in such an action. ;) What has been said, has been said and is enough on which to ruminate......

As she said (and paraphrased by me): Blessings to Jews and non-Jews, alike!!

[WildCelt]

I suppose I was not discussing the thread per se as much as my reaction to it, and the decision I made because of it. My apologies if this offended anyone.

[Henaynei]

I would like to bring up a point.... especially in the light of the activity on the forums over the last couple of weeks. Our G-d is a G-d of wisdom and says He grants wisdom *liberally* to those who seek her!!

It is not necessary to respond to every "attack." Even in the military one assesses the situation and will respond in the timing and manner most likely to achieve the objective. There *are* times when any reasonable objective is just unatainable in a particular "arena" - and attempting to wage a defense is actually depleting your resources, demoralizing your "troops" and envigorating/encouraging A very wise person once said: "pick your battles very carefully."

Just because it stings *does NOT mean you have to scratch it." Swatting at a buzzing bee is the best way to get stung.;)

Some statements/lies/assertions/confusions/misunderstandings are best left unanswered at that time. Pray G-d brings to you those who are honestly looking for an answer and leave the rest to His wisdom.:holy:

[P_G]

It is not necessary to respond to every "attack." Even in the military one assesses the situation and will respond in the timing and manner most likely to achieve the objective

Some statements/lies/assertions/confusions/misunderstandings are best left unanswered at that time.
Sis
I am going to respectfully agree to disagree with you on this one.

And I think the posistion of the Israelli military is the proper stance.
You take a shot at us and we will respond with 10 times the force.

For too long the world has used the peace desiring Jew the one who really would prefer to be left alone by the outside world as the scapegoat for all manner of ills. And I for one will defend with all I have my Jewish brethern.

Sorry to sound militaristic here. But if I don't stand for them who will stand for me when they come for me? And to be sure all this persecution always starts with rehtoric and it always starts the same way. So I say better to defend with words now than with guns and missles later. For the path to peace (which is what we want to begin with) starts with destroying sterotypes and lies when they first apear and before they become state policy.

Blessings

Pastor George :wave:

[Henaynei]

Even the Israeli military does not respond to *every* attack, they *very* carefully pick and choose *where, when and how* they will respond "with 10 times the force!! (GO IDF!!) And in a full war - NO military can indiscreminately retaliate every incursion - or they would never have the resources for the truly important campaigns :) Remember - we are to be a wise as serpants - not a enraged as bulls :)