Faith alone?

[Buccaneer]

We all know that faith is vital to salvation, and that adherence to the law and deeds also count toward our salvation, but what of all the truely faithful who died who were under the impression that the law was abolished. what of them who lived such good 'new testament' lives and loved god and loved one another and their enemies and helped the needy but consumed swine and worked on the sabbath? Are they salvaged by faith or damned for their lawlessness?

[Sephania]

We all know that faith is vital to salvation, and that adherence to the law and deeds also count toward our salvation, but what of all the truely faithful who died who were under the impression that the law was abolished. what of them who lived such good 'new testament' lives and loved god and loved one another and their enemies and helped the needy but consumed swine and worked on the sabbath? Are they salvaged by faith or damned for their lawlessness?
Adherence to the law and deeds............

I am not sure what you meant by this but I dont' believe that anything but our belief 'counts' towards our salvation. Now our works I believe will set us apart in our place in heaven so to speak, but remember the theif on the cross was promised paradise because he believed Yeshua was sinless and the son of G-d. He didn't have any time to do any works.

As to your question, yes they are saved by their faith and their love one to another. But by not seeking the L-rD and his word for wisdom and understanding of what is there they will not hold a special place.

My understanding to date is that at the Marriage feast of the Lamb there are three 'componants'

The Bridegroom
The Bride
The Wedding guests ( those of the first invitation and the second) Remember even if the second they must have on the proper wedding attire ( robes washed in blood).

Now all these three are in 'heaven' but there is a difference between the Bride and her guests. ;)

[muffler dragon]

Dear Buc:

Salvation is always by the grace of G-d alone.

m.d.

[visionary]

Here are the saints, they that keep the commandments and have the testimony of Yeshua.

You know them by their testimony....they witness of Yeshua and their faith in Him. They behave in a certain manner that shows that they keep the commandments of God.

what of them who lived such good 'new testament' lives and loved god and loved one another and their enemies and helped the needy but consumed swine and worked on the sabbath? Are they salvaged by faith or damned for their lawlessness?

Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. Here are they.........

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

In the outer court just outside the temple, you find the symbolism of the sacrifice of Christ, and the baptism by water in the Altar of sacrifice and in the Basin of the Temple service. This is where you find most of the believers clinging to the cross and having faith that their baptism into a new life in Christ is enough.

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

You see that God loves His followers no matter how far behind they are on the path of righteousness.

But we are called to be priests and kings with God. We are to enter boldly into the most holy. We are to eat the unleaven bread found on the table of shewbread in the holy place which is lite by the Menorah (Holy Spirit) , and offer our prayers at the altar of incense before God. And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. There is a high and Holy calling, which though many are called, few are chosen. As Talmidim once presented, the way is the curtain into the outer court area, and the truth is the door into the most holy place and the curtain is the life, which Yeshua alluded to being Him. He is the way, the truth and the life. [I hope I got that right, did I Talmidim?]

[Katydid]

I agree, they are saved, but they will have to answer to HaShem for their lack of actions. They will have to look at Yeshua and explain why they felt that they did not need to follow His commands. They will be the ones who when called to the Feast of Tabernacles, will say "The feast of whaternacks"LOL. OK but anyway, my mom actually did say that when I mentioned it, and when I showed her the verse she said, "Well, honey, you will be there to show me". So I think that is our position, to take them by the hand and show them how to live according to G-d's Will.

[Buccaneer]

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'


Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of ELOHIYM, and have the testimony of YAHSHUA MASHIYACH.

[rooster]

I think it is a good question to ask, Y'shua's sacrifice washed away our sins, did it wash away our impurities?

Because from my limited understanding, impurities, or at least most of it is not sin. Wilfull breaching of the purity code and aproaching the place of worship while impure is sin but not becoming impure because for many instance it cannot be helped (i.e menstruation, touching dead bodies)

[Henaynei]

review the passage about works that pass through the fire - what shall be consumed as "wood hay and stubble" and what shall come out "refined as silver and gold - with the dross removed"?