What food can we eat?

[FollowerofYeshua]

What foods are ok to eat without bracking the law? Also were in the bible does it say which foods are clean and unclean? I'd like to start eating only kosher foods and I've been reading and I'm not exactly sure what I can and can not eat. Is it ok to eat chicken? What meats can I eat?

Shalom:)
Follower of Yeshua

[visionary]

You can always do the garden of eden diet, for that is what we will be going abck to for the eternity life. In the wilderness of sin, God tried them on the diet but it was still a little too early for "angel" food. and Daniel turned out better than his collegues when him and his buddies did it.

One thing about the vegie diet is that you do not have to worry about the unclean critters.

I was on the veggie diet for ten years and I beleive it has a lot to do with my "young than my years' appearance.

[Bon]

What foods are ok to eat without bracking the law? Also were in the bible does it say which foods are clean and unclean? I'd like to start eating only kosher foods and I've been reading and I'm not exactly sure what I can and can not eat. Is it ok to eat chicken? What meats can I eat?

Shalom:)
Follower of Yeshua

You'll find clean and unclean animals listed in Leviticus chapter 11.

Basically, you can eat chicken, turkey, lamb, beef, veal, fish with fins and scales.

We are commanded not to eat pigs, rabbit, and any sea creature without scales (which would include: all shellfish, squid, octopus, shark, some tunas, swordfish, dolphin, whale, etc.)

We are also forbidden to eat the blood of any animal.

There are numerous other animals we can and cannot eat, but as I said, these are the basics.

Shalom from Bon

[Nossa-the-Lame]

I gots a quick question: Why would G-d make animals that he didn't want us to eat? Unless they were there for temptation?

[Talmidah]

I gots a quick question: Why would G-d make animals that he didn't want us to eat? Unless they were there for temptation?
I don't quite understand your question. I mean, when you see a gorilla or opossum or monkey are you tempted to eat them?

[Buccaneer]

What about SNAKES??

[Talmidah]

What about SNAKES??
:sick:

[Buccaneer]

nar aquatic (all) snakes have scales. are snakes clean?
Also is it okay to eat a fish you caught with a shrimp? I know it sounds picky but alot of orthrodox jews wont even eat meat on the same plate that had milk on it, so this isnt really too stupid to ask.

[Sephania]

No Shrimp! And snakes???? Why would you even want to eat such a thing that HaSatan is represented by?

No, No, NO!

Here are some of the links I have that are good to read regarding all aspects of Kosher.

What IS Kosher??? (http://www.mazornet.com/jewishcl/Kosher/whatiskosher.htm)

Kosher list of clean foods go here ----------------->Abridged LIST (http://www.yrm.org/cleanmeats.htm)

Some Messianic answers to eating Kosher ---------------> Did Noah eat Kosher? (http://www.lightofmashiach.org/kosher.html)

Having trouble convincing someone that Yeshua didn't do away with clean/unclean food laws? -------------------> How to answer ( using NT verses) Christians concerning eating Kosher (http://www.yrm.org/popularcf.htm)

Keeping Kosher in a non- Kosher world (http://www.shemayisrael.com/j/keepingkosher/toc.html)

Looking for things that are Kosher? What to look for (http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm) Symbol wise

[FollowerofYeshua]

If your not allowed to have dairy and meat on the same plate then is it not ok to have a sandwich containing cheese and chicken.

[Bon]

nar aquatic (all) snakes have scales. are snakes clean?

All creatures with fins AND scales are clean.

Just fins and NO scales = unclean
Just scales and NO fins = unclean

Shalom from Bon

[Bon]

I gots a quick question: Why would G-d make animals that he didn't want us to eat? Unless they were there for temptation?

All of Yahweh's creatures have a purpose, whether it be food for human consumption, scavengers of the earth and waters to keep them clean, part of the food chain, to regenerate the flora, etc. etc. etc.

Not everything was created as food for humans and Yahweh certainly did not put them on the earth to tempt us. He clearly tells us in Leviticus 11, which of His creation He intended for our consumption.

Shalom from Bon

[Bon]

If your not allowed to have dairy and meat on the same plate then is it not ok to have a sandwich containing cheese and chicken.

Now that is not exactly a command from Yahweh,.... do not mix meat and dairy...

The whole idea of not mixing these two foods comes from
Deuteronomy 14:21
Ye shall not eat of anything that dieth of itself: thou shalt give it unto the stranger that is in thy gates, that he may eat it; or thou mayest sell it unto an alien: for thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

However, I have heard several people say that they feel very heavy in the stomach after eating meat and dairy together.

There could be something in it.

Shalom from Bon

[By Grace]

I know camels are unclean, but what about their milk?


Gen 32:13 He lodged there that night, and took from that which he had with him, a present for Esav, his brother:

Gen 32:14 two hundred female goats and twenty male goats, two hundred ewes and twenty rams,

Gen 32:15 thirty milk camels and their colts, forty cows, ten bulls, twenty female donkeys and ten foals.

[Sephania]

Another way to say female? :)

[Buccaneer]

still never answered if it is alright to eat a clean fish which you caught using a shrimp as bait.

[Katydid]

Who uses shrimp as bait???? I have no clue the answer to your question, I wish I did, but you know, who uses shrimp as bait?????

[Buccaneer]

I used to salt water fish every weekend years ago. Shrimp is a very good bait to use and if the fish bite at shrimp being bait they consume wild shrimp as well. if kosher foods eat nonkosher do we inhereit that uncleaness as well?

[Katydid]

WOW!!! I never realized that shrimp were bait. OK now I am curious because that means we would have to be careful about what kind of fish we buy.

[Buccaneer]

Haha hardly. I doubt it is that its not okay. By that same principal wed be okay eating soem unclean animal which eats clean ones (like a tiger to a goat)

"But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself." Titus 3:9-11

[green suiter]

Zayit,

I loved your links, the do a very good job explaining the Food Law!!:thumbsup:


It also gives a good indept desciption of animals that are good to eat weather from catching them or Hunting them and how to prepare them after wards.. Excellant post:cool:

[By Grace]

I used to salt water fish every weekend years ago. Shrimp is a very good bait to use and if the fish bite at shrimp being bait they consume wild shrimp as well. if kosher foods eat nonkosher do we inhereit that uncleaness as well?
I've never been saltwater fishing, so I don't know the answer to this question, but I was curious: what kinds of fish generally eat shrimp?

[Buccaneer]

Trout Red fish Flounder Pompano Grouper amber jack snook snapper dolphin (not the mammal) you name it they all do. And Freshwater things eat worms and flies all of which are not considered kosher. Further bees are not kosher but honey is, why?

[living2przHim]

Shalom, Yes, you can eat fish if the bait was shrimp. The fish would not have digested the shrimp since it was used as the bait, and you clean the fish and do not eat the undigested shrimp in the stomach of the fish, so....... If the fish had a "wild" shrimp for lunch two days ago (already digested) then it is no longer a shrimp, but rather has become part of the fish, so...... does this make sence?
Kosher is actually pretty EZ. And the statements about meat and dairy, it takes different enzimes to digest the different types of food. Medical science has proven this. It is not so much the eating of cheese and meat at the same time, but rather the melting (boiling) of the cheese with the meat, therefor changing it's (the cheeses') molecular structure. The Orthodox do not eat them together, even have separated refrigeration, and sometimes even different cooking facilities and serving, but this is an interpretation of the mentioned verses, and these are all "fences" or "hedges" established by the Rabbi's for our protection. (laws and traditions of man)

[Henaynei]

I know camels are unclean, but what about their milk?


Gen 32:13 He lodged there that night, and took from that which he had with him, a present for Esav, his brother:

Gen 32:14 two hundred female goats and twenty male goats, two hundred ewes and twenty rams,

Gen 32:15 thirty milk camels and their colts, forty cows, ten bulls, twenty female donkeys and ten foals.


Torah forbids the consumption of any part or product of an unclean animal :) a "milk" camel would be one with colts young enough to need milk - denoting their fertility :)

[Bon]

still never answered if it is alright to eat a clean fish which you caught using a shrimp as bait.

This is just my opinion.....

The animals that Yahweh made specifically for human consumption are clean not just because He says so but because their metabolic systems are designed in such a way that they are able to digest and discard any toxins they may ingest via their waste.

Unclean animals, on the other hand, are unable to do this. The toxins from foods eaten are taken into their systems and stored in their flesh, which human then consume at their dinner tables.

For example: scientists can perform tests on our ocean water by placing muscles in various areas and after a period of time, they are able to determine the waters toxic levels via the amount of these toxins absorbed into their flesh.

So, in conclusion, IMO, it is still OK to eat a clean fish after it eats a prawn because it does not affect it's flesh.

Hope this makes sense.

Bon

[By Grace]

Torah forbids the consumption of any part or product of an unclean animal :) a "milk" camel would be one with colts young enough to need milk - denoting their fertility :)
Like Buc mentioned, what about honey? Aren't bees considered unclean?

The animals that Yahweh made specifically for human consumption are clean not just because He says so but because their metabolic systems are designed in such a way that they are able to digest and discard any toxins they may ingest via their waste.

Unclean animals, on the other hand, are unable to do this. The toxins from foods eaten are taken into their systems and stored in their flesh, which human then consume at their dinner tables.
This is what I understand, too. Horses, for example, store toxins in their fat and meat. Cows, on the other hand, tend to eliminate those toxins. That may be one reason why horses are unclean and cows are clean, even though they eat the same grass for dinner. And that's why some fish would be clean, even though they eat shrimp, while other shrimp-eating animals would be unclean.

It's all in the way their bodies process the toxins that come through. Our bodies don't eliminate those toxins very well, then the toxins poison us. That's one reason why it's so important that we don't consume them to begin with.

[Katydid]

Maybe becuase the honey doesn't come from the bee, but they make it. In all honesty, I don't know if this is right, as I have no knowledge as to how bees make honey.

[By Grace]

Isn't honey basically bee spit?

[green suiter]

All the animals that are good to eat, Really don't eat other animals mostly just plants and fruits try think of it that way, simple. The ones that eat meat are eating the blood of other animals, and guess what I don't think the lion has a microwave or hot plat to cook the blood/toxins out of it's food. So no I don't think the shrimp used in fishing is good, tempting clean with unclean :sick: simplicity works for me.

[Sephania]

Zayit,

I loved your links, the do a very good job explaining the Food Law!!:thumbsup:


It also gives a good indept desciption of animals that are good to eat weather from catching them or Hunting them and how to prepare them after wards.. Excellant post:cool:
Thank you! I am happy someone got some use out of them. I had researched many sites about Kosher and those are ones I thought good enough to save and bookmark. The list certainly helps and since this is a subject that totally is necessary right after breathing we could all use to learn as much as possible without being caught up in too many fences that spoil the whole pot! ;)

You are the soldier right? Let me say from the US, thank you for what you are doing and may the L-RD's protecting right hand be over you and your family always and may you bring light into whatever region you are in. :thumbsup:

[Sephania]

Isn't honey basically bee spit? Actually Honey is one of the most safest foods to eat, and cleanest. It has to be for the bees sake alone.

Check out this report and you may throw your antibiotics out the window! http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/data/Manuka_Honey.html

HaShem makes the best medicine! :thumbsup:

http://www.shokos.com/RawHoney.htm
Torah forbids the consumption of any part or product of an unclean animal :) a "milk" camel would be one with colts young enough to need milk - denoting their fertility :)
Not every product, see below.


Jill, This may answer you bee-spit question and also why Honey IS Kosher

http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-palate-honey.htm

[green suiter]

Yes Zayit, That would be me and I also copyed your links to our CP also, like I said thier perfect and give good interpretations of Heshem's word.

Thank's Agian

[Katydid]

WARNING!!!

Honey is great for adults, but do not, I repeat DO NOT feed it to a child under two. Apparently, according to the WIC nurse and the doc here, it can contain a virus that can be very harmful to babies and toddlers.

[By Grace]

WARNING!!!

Honey is great for adults, but do not, I repeat DO NOT feed it to a child under two. Apparently, according to the WIC nurse and the doc here, it can contain a virus that can be very harmful to babies and toddlers.
Thanks for the reminder, K. And yes, I was very careful when my first daughter was younger to not give her honey. Actually, she still hasn't had much of it, since she's only 27 mos. For a while, my DH didn't even want me eating honey when I was pregnant b/c he didn't want to risk me hurting the baby!

Thanks for the links, Zayit. My baby just woke up, so I can't check them out now, but maybe later today.

[Sephania]

WARNING!!!

Honey is great for adults, but do not, I repeat DO NOT feed it to a child under two. Apparently, according to the WIC nurse and the doc here, it can contain a virus that can be very harmful to babies and toddlers.
I would like to see a report on that as it totally contradicts the honey fact that it is antibactierial and Contains antimicrobial agents; inhibits growth of bacteria, yeats and molds (virus and bacteria cannot live in the high sugar medium of honey).
Also I found this at a foodbourne disease site:



High salt, high sugar or high acid levels keep bacteria from growing, which is why salted meats, jam, and pickled vegetables are traditional preserved foods.

[Sephania]

And then I found this:


Honey is not safe for babies under the age of one.
Honey can harbor the botulinum spore. This spore, under the right conditions, can grow and give off a deadly toxin. The spore is inhibited from growing in environments of high acidity. The acidity of an infant's digestive system is not high enough to prevent the growth of the spore. By the time a baby is one year old, stomach acidity has risen closer to that of an adults, and is at a level that would inhibit the growth of the spore.



So I would guess that generally it is not good to give straight, but with lemon mixed in for a cough relief would probably be OK but better to be save than sorry.

:)