Why were people destroyed in the Old testament, but now people say God wont destroy

[joevberry3]

Why were people destroyed in the Old Testament(such as the Isrealites in the wilderness) for disobedience, but now people preach and claim that no matter what we do, God will not destroy his people now?

God Bless

[ShirChadash]

Blessings JoeVB

I think it could boil down to a resistance to let G-d be Who G-d is... and a desire to make Him into Who one wants Him to be instead... as though He cannot be All Loving, and All Just, at the same time in all things.


What are your thoughts on it, Joe?

[ILY]

Shalom joevberry3,
What specifically are you talking about?I don't want to speak for the MJ's here, so I will only ask a couple of questions.
I know it is taught that the Jews will not be removed from the land given them from G_d.Is that what you are talking about?

In H_M
YbiY
ILY <><

[joevberry3]

Blessings JoeVB

I think it could boil down to a resistance to let G-d be Who G-d is... and a desire to make Him into Who one wants Him to be instead... as though He cannot be All Loving, and All Just, at the same time in all things.


What are your thoughts on it, Joe?I agree. I hate it when I hear people say no matter what we do, God will keep us in his hand and will never destroy his people again. The Isrealites were his people, but destroyed them for disobedience.
As well as several other people that were destroyed in the Old Testament.
People want to believe that he is JUST a God of LOVE. But he is also a just God and is not a respector of persons.
Its amazing that people can preach its ok to live in sin.

God Bless,
Joe

[ShirChadash]

:sorry:

HM
*thinks she may have posted far too soon*

[joevberry3]

Shalom joevberry3,
What specifically are you talking about?I don't want to speak for the MJ's here, so I will only ask a couple of questions.
I know it is taught that the Jews will not be removed from the land given them from G_d.Is that what you are talking about?

In H_M
YbiY
ILY <><nah, im talking specifically about God destroying people in the old testament. Why now suddenly in the new testament and today do people preach he wont destroy those in unbelief?

Joe

[ShirChadash]

:clap: I was HOPIN you meant that ^ LOL. I thought you did.


It's easier to say we belong to a covenant relationship in which we have no responsibilities at all...

It's easier on the Ego (and maybe, the Id) to believe G-d has no standards, and certainly no specific actions/practices He expects anyone to learn about and follow to show we really belong to Him...

It is, fleshly, more comfortable for us to justify our behaviors and live as we please, rather than learn what makes our Abba pleased with us... and then to believe that in the end our actions had no bearing whatsoever on our relationship with Him.

[ILY]

Shalom again Joe,

I haven't heard that type of teaching accept from "New Age" beliefs.Sin has consequences.

ILY <><

[Plan 9]

erm...if the Israelites were destroyed, how could this forum full of people be here, not to mention Israel itself?
I'm sorry, Joe, but I'm still not sure I understand what you mean. *returns to lurking*

[joevberry3]

1 Cor 10:1-5

Here's verse 5- yet God was not pleased with the most of them, for they were strewed in the desert.

He destroyed MOST of the Isrealites in the widerness because of unbelief.

[ShirChadash]

Remnant :)

Plus, I think I would say "many" is a much better term than "Most", Joe.

[ShirChadash]

"The first duty of the Gospel preacher is to declare God's Law and show the nature of sin, because it will act as a schoolmaster and bring him to everlasting life which is in Jesus Christ." Martin Luther

"Before I preach love, mercy and grace, I must preach sin, Law and judgment." John Wesley

"Preach 90 percent Law and 10 percent grace." John Wesley, to a colleague.

"They will never accept grace until they tremble before a just and holy Law." Charles Spurgeon

"Evermore the Law must prepare the way for the gospel; to overlook this in instructing souls is almost certain to result in false hope, the introduction of a false standard of Christian experience, and to fill the church with false converts." Charles Finney

"The highest service to which a man may attain on earth is to preach the Law of God." John Wycliffe

"God, being a perfect God, had to give a perfect Law, and the Law was not given to save men, but to measure them." D.L. Moody



Just thought you might like to see those quotes, Joe. :) You are in good company, Brother.

[Plan 9]

1 Cor 10:1-5

Here's verse 5- yet God was not pleased with the most of them, for they were strewed in the desert.

He destroyed MOST of the Isrealites in the widerness because of unbelief.
Joe, They weren't "destroyed" that I can tell; the reverse seems to be true. For instance, one of the verses you mention says that G-d fed them all with manna, preserving their lives, which agrees with my admittedly small understanding of Exodus. They appear to me to have spent forty years in the desert as a sort of test, and most died of old age there without entering the Promised Land. My understanding is that it should have been approximately a six week journey? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong: I think I'm in the right forum for it. ;)

I can certainly see how this teaches that we today may not be receiving all the blessings G-d intends for us, but I don't find G-d's wrath poured out in destruction here, despite their sinfulness.
Am I totally wrong here, would another example would serve Joe's point better?

[joevberry3]

Actually the Bible says God was NOT pleased with them, hence the reason they were destroyed.

God Bless

[Henaynei]

It is true that a whole generation died and were NOT allowed to enter Israel, because of rebellion. However, They were not "destroyed" in the classical sense - that is G-d did not reach down and consume them - even Moshe lived 120 years.. The people travelled in the deseret for 40 years "until that generation died out." They all, for the most part, lived natural lives. This WAS, nonetheless, divine punishment. And there are numerous places where G-d did bring destruction in the classical sense, see the Babylonian Captivity for one.

[Plan 9]

It is true that a whole generation died and were NOT allowed to enter Israel, because of rebellion. However, They were not "destroyed" in the classical sense - that is G-d did not reach down and consume them - even Moshe lived 120 years.. The people travelled in the deseret for 40 years "until that generation died out." They all, for the most part, lived natural lives. This WAS, nonetheless, divine punishment. And there are numerous places where G-d did bring destruction in the classical sense, see the Babylonian Captivity for one.

Thank you, Henaynei, for taking the time to answer my question. :)

[WildCelt]

Last week's sidra--3000 perished because of the golden calf debacle.

[ShirChadash]

It is true that a whole generation died and were NOT allowed to enter Israel, because of rebellion. However, They were not "destroyed" in the classical sense - that is G-d did not reach down and consume them - even Moshe lived 120 years.. The people travelled in the deseret for 40 years "until that generation died out." They all, for the most part, lived natural lives. This WAS, nonetheless, divine punishment. And there are numerous places where G-d did bring destruction in the classical sense, see the Babylonian Captivity for one.
*nod* Thanks Henny. I didn't make much sense posting last night, eh, but you said just what I was tryig to get across -- while the wicked generation died off, it isn't as if the people were destroyed, or even MOST of the people... many died and didn't see the Promised Land due to their sin and yet how many were born during the 40 years and brought into the Promised Land? Way more than a few.