Charlesinflorida
7th March 2004, 09:24 PM
This came up in another thread so I am moving it here for coments. I know we have lots of scholars here, so there will differences in our opinions. That's OK. This is one of the most difficult prophecies to understand. So we can share our views but we do not need to become too insistant on them.
I have looked at end times studies for a long time. If anyone has ever visited the old "Yeshua the King" web site you will know of my indepth studies on the subject.
Daniels 70week pophecy is roughly divided into three pieces. The first 69 mark time from the babylonian exiles end to his birth, and makes comment that after that time, Messiah would be cut off. Doesn't say exactly at the end of the 69th week but some time after that. We can say now 33 years after that. Then there is the 70th week, and it is divided into two parts about 3 1/2 years each. It is divided in the "Midst" which is "About" middle.
The question always comes up about does there have to be a temple built and sacrifices started and ended again before the return of Messiah. I say no, perhaps not. Here is why.
I have looked at this in another way. I believe it has merit. First we must remember hat the Tribulation is (according to the revelation to Daniel as well as to John) 1290 days or about 3 1/2 years not seven. There are two signs given to Daniel that would precede the begining of this tribulation; The sacrifice whould be ended, and the abomination that make desolate. These signs beign in the middle of a week of years, the 70th week of Daniel 9. The 69th points to the comming of Messiah his birth not his death.
The first half of the 70th is the ministry of Messiah. With his death and resurrecion the need for sacrifice is ended until the Millennial Kingdom. So the fist of the two signs occured at the middle of the 70th week. We wait now for the abomination, which will signal the beginning of the second half of that 70th week. It was cut in the middle and held for these 2000 years.
Part of the confusion here is that it says that there will be "an abomination on a wing of the temple". This is not an accurate reading from the Hebrew and is an English translation "assumption." In fact the word "Temple does not appear in the text at all. What is says really is (Please excuse my memory here) "And on a wing, abomination until the consumation, desolation is poured out . . ."
In Hebrew the word for "Wing" is "Kanaph" which is also is used for "Wind" and in this setting means, "Abominations will come sudenly, like the burst of wind from a birds wing." This understanding is parellel to other verses which say, "And destruction will come as a flood" (A Flash flood is what is refered to" The point is, the verse "on a wing of the temple" really means suddenly and without warning, like a rushing wind"
So the botom line=
Messiah is the one who put an end to sacrifices (for a time) in the middle of the 70th week, and that was the first of two signs that will happen before the tibulation of the end times begins. The other sign will be when the abomination (Antichrist), rushes against them with sudden and unexpected destruction. The only qualifier here is that the Jews have to be in posession of Jerusalem, which happened in 1967.
I have looked at end times studies for a long time. If anyone has ever visited the old "Yeshua the King" web site you will know of my indepth studies on the subject.
Daniels 70week pophecy is roughly divided into three pieces. The first 69 mark time from the babylonian exiles end to his birth, and makes comment that after that time, Messiah would be cut off. Doesn't say exactly at the end of the 69th week but some time after that. We can say now 33 years after that. Then there is the 70th week, and it is divided into two parts about 3 1/2 years each. It is divided in the "Midst" which is "About" middle.
The question always comes up about does there have to be a temple built and sacrifices started and ended again before the return of Messiah. I say no, perhaps not. Here is why.
I have looked at this in another way. I believe it has merit. First we must remember hat the Tribulation is (according to the revelation to Daniel as well as to John) 1290 days or about 3 1/2 years not seven. There are two signs given to Daniel that would precede the begining of this tribulation; The sacrifice whould be ended, and the abomination that make desolate. These signs beign in the middle of a week of years, the 70th week of Daniel 9. The 69th points to the comming of Messiah his birth not his death.
The first half of the 70th is the ministry of Messiah. With his death and resurrecion the need for sacrifice is ended until the Millennial Kingdom. So the fist of the two signs occured at the middle of the 70th week. We wait now for the abomination, which will signal the beginning of the second half of that 70th week. It was cut in the middle and held for these 2000 years.
Part of the confusion here is that it says that there will be "an abomination on a wing of the temple". This is not an accurate reading from the Hebrew and is an English translation "assumption." In fact the word "Temple does not appear in the text at all. What is says really is (Please excuse my memory here) "And on a wing, abomination until the consumation, desolation is poured out . . ."
In Hebrew the word for "Wing" is "Kanaph" which is also is used for "Wind" and in this setting means, "Abominations will come sudenly, like the burst of wind from a birds wing." This understanding is parellel to other verses which say, "And destruction will come as a flood" (A Flash flood is what is refered to" The point is, the verse "on a wing of the temple" really means suddenly and without warning, like a rushing wind"
So the botom line=
Messiah is the one who put an end to sacrifices (for a time) in the middle of the 70th week, and that was the first of two signs that will happen before the tibulation of the end times begins. The other sign will be when the abomination (Antichrist), rushes against them with sudden and unexpected destruction. The only qualifier here is that the Jews have to be in posession of Jerusalem, which happened in 1967.