Should Christian Forums be Christians only?

[Droobie]

What are your thoughts and views?

[Loki]

No, please don't kick me out. I'ma christian atheist, which doesn't fly so well here, but I like being here, and would be very sad if you went the way of BB and purged all non-believers, especially with how stringent the definition of Christian may be.

[Beauty4Ashes]

No, please don't kick me out. I'ma christian atheist, which doesn't fly so well here, but I like being here, and would be very sad if you went the way of BB and purged all non-believers, especially with how stringent the definition of Christian may be.

If you don't mind me asking, what is a christian atheist?

[seebs]

I'd have a really hard time reconciling a closed community with the Great Commission.

Personally, I'm for all-open-forums, and relying on common courtesy to keep things under control.

[ShetlandRose]

I must second that question... What is a christian atheist? Can't be. A Christian does not deny the existence of God.

:scratch:

[Bulldog]

If you don't mind me asking, what is a christian atheist?

From what I understand, its somone who has very Christian like practices, but does not usually believe in a God. The do thing like worhip and liturgy but do them because they believ they are benefencial to the person. Most of them also look highly on the Jesus Christ, but more because of his principles.

[Loki]

If you don't mind me asking, what is a christian atheist?

Ask and you shall receive:

Christian Atheism, Non-Realist Christianity (http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/atheism/types/christianity.shtml)

I didn't know it was a designation till I stumbled across this BBC page, but it fits me almost perfectly, and I'll go with it.

Specifically, I am very attached to Catholicism, but I just don't interpret it literally. It's a wonderful system of symbolism, sorich and beautiful, but i think the symbolism has gotten lost for the literalism.

The one point I disagree with is there being no ultimate reality outside of our minds. Or, I guess, I should say, I would need to read much more discourse on what exactly they mean by that, because saying schizophrenic hallucinations are ultimate reality because they are in the mind is absurd to me. But I'm a philosophical neophyte, so I could very well be talking out of an inappropriate oriface. :)

[Loki]

Very concise, Bulldog :)

[Morrissey]

Not at all. The whole point of Christianity is to be inclusive and share viewpoints, discuss and try to understand things. Closing off the forums to non-Christians would hinder discussion and the sharing of information.

[Krystina661]

Not at all. The whole point of Christianity is to be inclusive and share viewpoints, discuss and try to understand things. Closing off the forums to non-Christians would hinder discussion and the sharing of information.

I agree.. I think everyone should be welcome here. :)

[rwl]

As stated above, by making this forum Christian only you're just turning a blind eye. The idea is to get out of that comfortable christian bubble so many get trapped in.

Jesus hung out with the sick, not the 'clean'.

[Loki]

Jesus hung out with the sick, not the 'clean'.

Thank you RWL, especially for this quote.

BTW, I love your avatar.

[ShetlandRose]

Should Christian Forums Be Christians Only? What are your thoughts and views?
Jesus said, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation." That means the good news of our Savior is to be made available to all.

Jesus also said, "Shepherd my sheep, and tend my lambs." That means his believers are to be nurtured, instructed, and protected from predators.

My thoughts are that particular areas of this forum should be open wide to respectful non-believers. But others, which are designated as Christian, should be an oasis distinctly for the universal body of believers which is shielded from assault and violation.

ShetlandRose :angel:

[Loki]

Non-christians can participate in dialogue with Christians without assulting or violating. I think I did a pretty good job most the time I was here, when I posted in CO areas (I considered myself Catholic, still do). II allows theists into the Lounge as long as they don't preach, why doesn't CF do that with the current CO areas? Just tighten the moderation. Actually, it wouldn't even need to be tightened. I would still like to chew the fat with the Catholics (if they'd have me), and talk "Catholic" with them, and I'm probably more practicing than anyone thinks.

Aw, whatever...

[Konnie]

Yes, non-Christians should not be allowed to post.

[BigToe]

well ultimately the decision is up to Erwin. but i think discussion of any nature are most profitable if there are members of many different backgrounds and beliefs participating.

[Wolflily]

Personally, I've found that the forums I've enjoyed visiting most are now open to non-Christians and there have been more arguments and misunderstandings than not. I came to this site because it was called CHRISTIANforums - if I wanted to deal with non-Christians in this particular format, there are other websites I can go to. I miss the regional sites being Christian only.

[alaurie]

As stated above, by making this forum Christian only you're just turning a blind eye. The idea is to get out of that comfortable christian bubble so many get trapped in.

Jesus hung out with the sick, not the 'clean'.


I agree- that's why I voted to keep it the way it is now- half and half. I spend more time in the non-Christian forum than I do in the Christian because of a particular burden and love God has laid on my heart for a group of people to come to salvation by grace alone. I'm so glad people of other beliefs are able to come here and interact with Christians.

That being said, when I need prayer or want to encourage fellow believers as defined by CF rules, the "Christain only" section is a wonderful haven- one that I pray all who post in the "non Christian" section can eventually come to.

Love,
Allye

[ShetlandRose]

Here’s an idea. Let’s have forums separated by numbers.

If you are tranquil, rational, and willing to listen, please select Forum #1.
If you are a whiney sniveling complainer, please select Forum #2.
If you are a person afflicted with paranoia, please select Forum #3.
If you are an overbearing, judgmental hypocrite, please select Forum #4.
If you are an argumentative, impetuous hothead, please select Forum #5.
* Please understand in accordance with the rules of this forum, that all official moderators have the authority to forward copies of any of your posts to your mother, should it be viewed as necessary. (Did I cover all the bases?)

Just a wee bit of humor, folks. :sorry:

ShetlandRose

[UK_Personality]

I'm not christian. I'm pegan. I think, so long as noone cusses each others religion, everyone should be allowed on to discuss their beliefs. I mean... if i was to say "Oh you're really stupid coz u believe in all this rubbish" then fine, i'de deserve to be kicked off. But so long as everyone is appreshiative of each others customs etc then it should be fine right? :scratch:

[Snowy]

I say no..becuase we might save a few non-believers...if we keep it open to all

[UK_Personality]

or we might save you. Can work either way.

[HisEagle]

*deleted by groundhog because he doesn't know what he's talking about*

[Gsapious]

Christians need to have fellowship, but simply closing out non-Christians is a bad idea. Discluding them is hindering their ability to ask questions, and maybe be turned to the Truth.

I like how it is now.

[Staind]

I like having the forums open to everyone, it brings in a lot of Religious debates and various viewpoints on issues.

[Heaven_Bound]

I think everyone should be welcome here as well. I also believe there needs to be christian only threads to keep the peace.

[Tangnefedd]

A Christian Atheist, I think that is an interesting concept! I think all points of view should be aired as long as they are not racist, sexist or homophobic!

[Kira Faye]

I like it half and half, everyone can read it but this is a christian site so its to be accpeted some things they would like to keep for themselves and have their own ;little haven. And at the same time be open to everyone! I like it.

[The Midge]

I voted for half and half. It is good to have forums where we can discuss on the basis of faith with out a non-christian popping up and disrupting if -for example- challenging the validity of prayer. I think there may be a case for allowing Non-believers to browse and read in places like Deeper Fellowship where they learn a bit more about practical faith as lived out on the boards or asking for information about specific denominations in the Congreagations forums.

In short, we should open up the forums where ever it will further the spread of the Gospel.

But I would really like to see forums where people of all faiths or none could ask for Christian help and ministry be they prayer requests, counsell, advice from a Christian POV, emotional support etc. Kind of like the Questions about Christianity forum. Then they could ask but not dispute.

[Susan]

I love the way it is now. To close nonbelievers out would only encourage those of us who are Christians to fight amongst ourselves all the more, IMHO.

[Polycarp1]

I agree wholeheartedly with Susan's perspective.

I think Erwin should limit membership on the overall site only to those for whom Christ died. (;))

I do see the need for places in which discussions can be founded on a common agreement that means, e.g., that a question about, e.g., the mode of inspiration in Scripture, need not be interrupted by what I've come to refer to as "Evangelical Atheists" -- people whose creed is "There is no God, and He sent me to make sure all of you don't believe in Him." ;)

Perhaps the solution might be, not to ban non-Christians from posting in CO forums as is presently done, but to require of them the same respect that is now expected in the Congregation forums -- if you're, say, a non-Catholic, you are welcome in One Bread One Body to fellowship, ask for information, and even discuss in a non-offensive way, but not to debate or cast aspersions on Catholicism or Catholic doctrine. Likewise, what I'm suggesting is a person who is not a Nicene Christian would be welcome to join in CO forums for fellowship, the asking of questions, and even courteous discussion where they grant the premises of Christianity, not as an article of faith they subscribe to, but as the presumptions under which the thread they are posting to is based.

[Shekinahs]

I think it should be half and half just like it is now. Many people and their varied views of what is a Christian post here and I think that is great. I've learned a lot about how people define Christianity and how they define Christ himself. CF should not be Christians only because you then would have to ban a wholeeee lotta people and shut down a number of forums that would no longer serve a purpose. CF should not have all forums open to everybody because then board ceases to be Christian Forums if there is no forum where only traditional Christians are allowed to post.

[Shekinahs]

I'ma christian atheist,
So that means you do not believe there is a God but you believe in the moral teachings of Jesus?

[Shekinahs]

Jesus hung out with the sick, not the 'clean'.
Anddddd that would mean you feel non-Christians are sick and unclean then in a spiritual way :confused:

[Loki]

So that means you do not believe there is a God but you believe in the moral teachings of Jesus?

Yes, and it even goes beyond that. I love the symbolism of Christianity, but I interpret it exactly as that: symbolism. I do not and cannot take it literally. I also think that houses of worship can have great effects on individuals and communities (I've been to 8 different ones in Ann Arbor so far, have been slacking lately, though. I also have a pair that I consider more "my" church than others.). Religious experiences can be great for some people.

But first and foremost, I'm a humanist, so any aspect of religion that is detrimental to either the individual or society (ie, when people try to push their limited views on others), angers me.

For the most part, though, I'm pretty laid back as far as religion goes (despite being a fairly strong atheist.).

[UK_Personality]

That's a load of noncensical garbage to be honest. Obviously, you believe you are right and if you are right then i am wrong. But from my perspective I'm the one who's right. And from an atheist's perspective you're tha 'unclean' and 'sick' one not them.

[msrene]

Yes, non-Christians should not be allowed to post.

I voted as you did that non-Christians should not be allowed to post as well. I did so not to make a stand for this area in particular - but in general.

I know that many will say (have already posted within this thread) that we are to reach out to others. I agree.

I know that many people that say that they are Christians don't now how to reach out to share the gospel (sad to say).

*BUT* I do feel that there should be a place for people that are Christians to go and discuss things with others of the same belief.

I know that the area that I moderate on the internet has had some wild things done to it by those that are not Christian. I know that such is not reflective of all those that are not Christian. Me waking up to find that some wacko had posted all sorts of kiddie porn and mailed it out to everyone on the discussion list - wasn't a great start for that day - nor my birthday.

I have heard many say and have read on the internet, that they wished that they could have a 'safe' place that they could go to and discuss things without the faith attacks that many that are not Christian bring to an area. No matter if one is a Christian or not - when one is in a down place in their life, having someone take potshots at your belief just - - is not easy to take.

So, for that reason, I can see having a 'Christian Only' area for Christians.

[Kathy]

I feel that the forums should be open for everyone...... oh,and there is no such thing as a Christian Atheist! Either a Christian or a Atheist... My opinion.. ;)

[Loki]

That's all fine and well as it's your opinion, but I am a Christian Atheist, Catholic to be specific. That's how I choose to label myself, and then it gets into semantics of what a True Christian (tm) or True Atheist(tm) is. But if it's easier for y'all to just call me an atheist who's extremely sympathetic with Catholicism, be my guest.

[KristianJ]

Too hard to decide. I'm all for people who are genuinely seeking information about the Christian faith, but at the same time when I registered for the forum I did so mainly because of the "motto" at the top of the web page. Are we united as "one body" here at CF? I'm not sure. Wherever conflicting beliefs are present, there can never be union.

But each person who has posted above me has a valid point that we can use this forum to reach out to those who need to hear of the saving grace of God. That's why I find it a very difficult question to answer.

[Loki]

Perhaps just tightening the moderation, to improve the quality of dialogue overall...

[Rising Tree]

Keep them as they are. That's the way to do it.

[ps139]

Keep it like it is.

[Kellalor]

I like it the way it is now.
Some areas open only to Christians and some open to all. It leads to some very interesting conversations. :)

[Spurgeon]

The only way to preach to the unbeliever is to invite the unbeliever in. You may not like everything you hear, but that's the only way to get dialogues started.

[kwimmer]

Voted no.

[Creationist2004]

I voted yes. If the forums are only for Christians, then we will not reach anyone who is not a Christian.
When Christians, Athiests, Agnostics and everyone else are all welcome, we can debate and share beliefs with each other. Also we learn to understand the reasons the "other side" give for their beliefs.
If we did not, then we risk becoming one sided and prejudiced against those with different beliefs.

[Dawn Marie]

"Half half, I like the way it is now". :)

[Tier]

Every thread open to everyone. It seems like discrimination to me, as it is now.

[Texas Lynn]

99.99% of people who cause problems here are Christians. The atheists, pagans, wiccans, etc. are generally nicer people than so many Christians are. The most meanspirited posts on CF will always be found in the Christians Only areas.

IMO the CO areas are refuges for bigotry. The rules demanding political correctness there are unChristian and should be abolished.

[Breanainn]

Definitely the way it is now. :)

[* kittie *]

yes, of course. i like how it is now.

[Bulldog]

It's fine how it is.

[prince didymus]

Making it for Christians only would make the forums boring and that definitely would suck. It's present state is fine and doesn't need to be changed at all.

[Tier]

99.99% of people who cause problems here are Christians. The atheists, pagans, wiccans, etc. are generally nicer people than so many Christians are. The most meanspirited posts on CF will always be found in the Christians Only areas.

IMO the CO areas are refuges for bigotry. The rules demanding political correctness there are unChristian and should be abolished.
I second all of this.

[SqueezetheShaman]

oopsie, i voted yes on accident. no, the answer is no! I came here to ask a few questions about christianity that I couldn't understand, and stayed because I love it, it is a fast moving fun forum. I would hate to leave. I think it is good for the christians to have us keepin em on their toes :) when your faith is questioned, it is good for you (unless of course you agree with us :D )

[Delta]

Churches are not only open to Christians, so this forum shouldn't just be open only to Chrisitians. However, we need to put a limit somewhere. I like 50%/50%

[PaladinValer]

I've only been here for just some days, but I've really enjoyed myself. Its nice to have a Christian forum area that invites non-Christians (I personally don't like the term "unbeliever" since everyone believes in some perception of "The Truth") to participate while giving Christians their own haven.

So I'm all in for the status quo; I believe the presence of non-Christians keeps a nice balance. So long as everyone is tolerant and respectful, I don't think change is necessary (although a few new forums might be nice).

[Tier]

Churches are not only open to Christians, so this forum shouldn't just be open only to Chrisitians. However, we need to put a limit somewhere. I like 50%/50%
My church doesn't have 50% of the pews reserved for only christians, does yours?

[Gunny]

CF should not be a Christian Only Website for if this were the case there would be little or no change noticiable.

[kat00_ca]

I say keep it open for everyone. After all, there may be some non-christians out there who has questions and doesn't exactly want to ask their christian friends, etc. This way here, they can view privately (if they want to) without any fear...

[jeshohaia]

A christian athiest. Doesnt really make sense when looking at both of there defs. It is an Oxymorron I believe.

But common courtesy rarly exsists in the Christian community. We accept false teachings from well meaning believers as truth. What if a secularist starts changing people's aspects on fundamentals of faith? What are we going to do? Giving them a common courtesy would mean not doing anything about that.

THere needs to be strict guidlines even among the believers here. The Word needs to be the Truth. Indefaticable. And Strong. We can not be bending to their words. How are we to be good witnesses if we are easily swayed by their opinion. They see us as week if we all can not be represented on one accord on the basic fundamentals of faith. (Diety of Jesus for one)

Anyways...be carefull...

[Delta]

My church doesn't have 50% of the pews reserved for only christians, does yours?

No, but I doubt we'd allow nonchristians to a meeting when we vote on a pastor or church board...

[RocketMan]

I like the way it is now. Ostracizing non-believers is isolationist and could put distance between us and potential converts or those who are interested in Christianity.

[Victorian Rose]

keep it the way it is. :)

[Roxa]

I personally like it the way it is.

[The-Doctor]

As a christian I welcome non christian to this forum. How are we to overcome prejudice and hatred if we dont have dialogue?

Are we going to stop non christians visiting the church?

[Bladecarver]

Without reading any of the other posts, I'm going to post my personal view:

No, there should be no forum hidden from any, as pertains to discussions. Only Admin/moderator only forums should be hidden. Christianity is not to be kept secret but to be shown and displayed for all of God's children, especially the non-Christian.

[Billnew]

It should be open to all.
How do we expose Jesus to those who are interested if we close them out.
How can we spread the word if the doors are locked?
We must cast our nets out in the sea of despair, not in the aquarium of church.
Bill

[beatarmy2]

I like it the way it is now. Part "Christian Only" and part for everyone. It is VERY obvious that this site is used by christians and non-christians alike. Plus it's a great way to spread the word. DON'T KICK NON CHRISTIANS OUT. I am a christian, by the way.

[Kelly]

OK, we are to spread the Good News, but then again Jesus also mentioned don't waste your time when people don't want to listen.

Mat 7:6 "Don't give what is holy to unholy peopleDon't give pearls to swine! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you.
I'd wager that the Society and Apologetics section is primarily inhabited by atheists and pagans who fall under that category (People who are not hear to learn but to battle against Christians).

Does that mean we should kick all non-Christians out...of course not. Remember, when one person finds the Lord Jesus the angels sing. If the posts of some Christians plants even a mustard seed of faith within a prospective Christians, it's worth all the worthless debate (thinking of abortion, gay rights, etc were neither side tries to understand each other).

[beatarmy2]

That is true, BUT people may be hard at first. That doesn't mean that they can't learn. Isn't Christianity based on love? If we kick all non christians out, how loving is that?

[JesusFollowerTtE]

I think the way it is, because it gives use christians away to talk to non-christians around the world and try to help them and answer questions they have. I think its alot easier to ask some questions on here then asking people you know. but thats just my opinion!

[USincognito]

Half and half is the proper way. It allows for interaction/debate/evangelism in the open forums and for fellowship/denominational debate in the CO forums. As someone who values a balance between free speech and reasoned moderation I think 50/50 is a pretty good balance.

[Archivist]

I believe that everyone should be welcome here. I recently had a wonderful interaction with several Wiccans in the Philosophy and Morality section that I very much enjoyed.

[G4M5Y5]

I voted half/half

[lookinguptoo]

I like it the way it is. I am very glad that people who are not Christians can come here and ask their questions and look around and see the way Christians think. I also like the fact that there are specific forums open specifically for those who want to debate different aspects of Christianity so those who are not in the mood for debating can skip that all together and leave to the ones who are in the mood. But I also like the balance in that there are some discussions that are only open to Christians posting, and I think that is important because as a Christian if I am seeking Christian advise on something, I want to get the imput from a fellow Christian who will give me Biblical insight rather than worldly advise. Second, if I ask for prayer, I don't particularly want someone coming back and saying "why pray if there is no God?" or "I will call upon the powers of XYZ god". There should be a balance where Christians can come here and get the Christian support and encouragement they need without constantly being challenged to prove their faith, but at the same it is nice to have the forum open as a witnessing tool to nonbelievers as well. The only thing I am opposed to is nonbelievers coming on with the distinct purpose of sabotaging Christianity or setting out to purposely cause doubt in people's minds. No one can make me doubt but, I am concerned about new Christians or weak Christians who are just barely hanging on due to extreme pressures in their lives. I really hate to see these people bombarded with reasons not to believe when what they need is support. I think there should be an element of respect towards the Christian community if one enters into the Christian community space and vice versa. For example, I was once given a sincere invitation by a muslim to go into a mosque and tell the people why Christianty is real and Islam is not, but I turned down the offer because I thought it would be wrong of ME to do that. I am not a muslim but I felt I should still respect their place of worship enough not to go in and tell them they are worshipping the wrong god. I certainly would not appreciate a muslim coming in my church and standing up to preach about how Christianty is wrong. I felt I should treat others as I would like to be treated. However, if the people wanted to meet me in a neutral location like a park, then I would be glad to tell them why I believe Christianty is right and Islam is wrong. Anyway, I hope nonChristians will respect Christians here considering it is a "Christian forum", and likewise Christians will be patient and willing to listen to and answer the comments or questions of nonbelievers.

[Mustaphile]

Half-half. The non-believers sections are good, but sometimes I want to talk to Christians on the same level, without having someone with a totally different worldview coming in and clouding the whole issue.

[AraqirG]

IMO, removing non-believers would weaken the boards and breed ignorance. Free discussion is necessary for a productive discussion. Any hinderance of free discussion would decrease the productive capacity of these boards.

Edit: although I do think that atheists should be respectful of productive religious discussions....

[kerux]

I feel that everyone should be welcomed with open arms. If they are not Christians, they need somewhere to come and get their questions answered, I feel that this is a great evangelistic tool.

[MQTA]

The internet is a brave new world. All information that was easier taught without reference is now being examined closer than ever before. Could be future unity, or further divisions. We shall see.

[UberLutheran]

And CF is doing just fine the way it is right now.

[LifeLuver]

I was really close to putting not sure. I don't mind having some boards closed, for instance, a Christian fellowship board should be exactly that. There are other things....for me, say the teens board, in which I wish I could participate as well. so probably closer to 3/4 open.

[Angeldove97]

I love how this site is set up. At the other Christian site that I work at, www.tribforcehq.com (http://www.tribforcehq.com), it's simply for Christians and those curious/interested in becoming a Christian. We allow any denomination of Christianity and we're less about debating than some of the forums here. It's a refreshing set up because here you can deal with the groups that have questions for Christians, learn about other religions in order to have respect for them, and also get in a few debates about certain issues. I'm also very happy that there are certain areas just for Christians to post in, where I know that I can share my values and faith with my fellow Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

[My Glorious]

No. Doesn't God want us to spread His Word? How will we do that if it's a bunch of Christians shoved in a box arguing together about different denominations when we could be explaining to non-Christians what we believe in and what Christ has done for them?

[UberLutheran]

99.99% of people who cause problems here are Christians. The atheists, pagans, wiccans, etc. are generally nicer people than so many Christians are. The most meanspirited posts on CF will always be found in the Christians Only areas.

IMO the CO areas are refuges for bigotry. The rules demanding political correctness there are unChristian and should be abolished.

Some of the most vile things I see posted on CF are posted by self-professed Christians!

Three people are on my "ignore" list right now -- all Christians.

I don't have a problem with someone being "conservative" (or Wiccan, or pagan, or atheistic). I DO have a problem with people who are deliberately mean, and KNOW that they're being mean -- and then try to cover it over with "we're doing this in Christian love" and "love the sinner, hate the sin."

[Big C]

Is CHRIST not for all mankind? Thus, isn't Christian Forums for all readers?
As far as the issue of who acts the most unbecomingly, it's not the "Christians", but rather the individual"s human nature (flesh if you will)! I think we naturally have an expectation of how Christians are supposed to conduct themselves...whatever your beliefs (or lack thereof) may be.
So we naturally maginfy "so-called" Christians negative actions...thus giving ourselves a feeling of "alrightness" (yes, I made that one up) and "that's why I don't need Christianity". Or at least that's what it did for me!
We all have a long way to perfection... "can't we all just get along?"

[Bartimaeus]

What are your thoughts and views?
I like it the way it is, and it leaves open opportunities to witness. Only the Lord knows how this site is changing lives, you know? :)

[Molly7]

I voted that it should be open to everyone. I think its a great way to discuss religion and everything else.

~Molly

[Smi1eWarrior]

How are we supposed to share our faith, if our faith is kept in a box! :)

Jesus sat with sinners!

Mara :)

[Unique]

I like the idea of having most of the boards open to everyone but having some closed where only Christians can post. If nonChristians want to ask questions, great! But I think Christians need a place to talk to only Christians.

[Mobidem]

I agree that it can be hard to have a christian forum, that non-christians are allowed to post....

BUT... as stated many times, GOD has sent us to reach the lost, if they came here and had questions, then let them here.... If we deny them that, then we are just like the world in the fact that we believe that we are part of a secret club, that needs to have a invitation in order to attend. I dont think that Jesus would have been invited to too many events if that was the case..

I voted to let them in... Ignorance can only be solved by knowledge. I also find that the loudest voice, is the loudest broken heart....

[steelmagnolia]

Well, although I don't think the Christian forum should "not allow" non christians to be members, I do have a question? WHY would a non christian want to come here? I'm not talking about someone that is clearly searching for truth but those that come here just to instigate an arguement and start trouble.

[msjones21]

I voted to keep things the way they are now. I think it's great to have a neutral ground and a place for Christians only to socialize. It's kind of funny how alot of the Christians on this thread have said the biggest reason non-christians should be allowed to be here is in hopes that they will get saved when this website had the exact opposite effect on me. Seeing how Christians treated one another as well as non-christians caused me to rethink my spiritual position which caused me to turn to the Wiccan faith. I'm actually more happy as a Wiccan and I don't want the Christians to feel sorry for me.

What saddens me are the people who earnestly wish they weren't obligated to "put up" with us godless heathens. We're in your workplace, we teach your children, we save lives, we give blood, we protect your home, we are here.

[victoriamarie]

I think the way it is now is fine.

[Mimi]

All forums open for everyone..........:)

[SolomonVII]

To not have forums where frank discussions can occur between Christians and non-Christians would take a lot away from these forums.
On the other hand, it is also good to have forums where Christians can discuss their own religion knowing that evryone agrees on some certain basic tenets, such as the Nicene Creed.
Of course, I have seen some Christians who have in some forums described Yaweh as a monster go on and post in the Christians-only forum. One would think that such a treatment of the first person of the trinity would imply that they don't believe in the Nicene Creed.
On the whole, though I like the way that CF is set up right now. there is more than enough places where anybody can discuss anything with anyone they choose to.

[SolomonVII]

On second thought, though, I can't see General Apologetics as being anything more than a monumental waste of time. It's main pupose seems to be for non-christians to get together and bash God, or Christians in general. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it being discontinued.
There seem to be even a few voices in this thread that agree that their participation in CF has led them away fro being Christian. I can only assume that the only reason that they still are here is the enjoyment that they get from such (anti-christian) forums as GA.

[mac_philo]

I see a few similar posts here regarding General Apologetics. I'll just quickly present my take on this.

Arguments are not a case of starting trouble. Apologetics is not where non-Christians bash God, or Christians in general.

Argumentation is not trouble. It is how Apologetics is done. And it is not Apologetics without disagreement.

Disagreeing with a Christian is not bashing God or Christians. Of course some atheists do bash Christians, just as Christians bash nonbelievers. I'm seeing a lot of recognition of the former and denial of the latter.

Bad behavior is not monopolized by either group, and isn't really relevant since it is purely a moderation issue. The question is whether Christians here find Apologetics worth pursuing. It has a long and distinguished history--but now it is time for you to quit?

Having non-Christians here guarantees that Apologetics will happen, so there ought to be a forum for it. If it is a waste of time because it doesn't generate conversions/agreements, then plenty of forums are wastes of time.

[bgoddenia]

Bless You all, well lets look at it this way how can we Minister to those lost if we don't share with them, for the message of the cross are for those who are lost. Like when Jesus had dinner with sinners at Matthews house the Pharisees saw this and told his disciples why does Jesus eat with tax collectors and sinners? Jesus hearing this said, It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick..
So in other words the Lord wants us to preach the Gospel to the non-Christians for they the one who are in need.

Looking Unto Christ, Betsy

[SolomonVII]

It may be more accurate to state that rather than being a waste of time, GA is a waste of time for me. It seems best suited as a forum for fundies and ex-fundies to lok horns with each other. Being neither a fundamentalist or a ex-fundamentalist, it's just not my fight. As often as not, a non-fundamentalist Christian point of view becomes relevant only to the extent that it is in opposition to the fundamentalist one. Personally, even if I don't share the Christian views of the fundies, I deeply admire their obvious devotion to their faith and therefore it is almost unthinkable for me to oppose them.

Perhaps GA does serve a purpose though. The bitter struggles that appear to be just mindless bickering from a non-fundamentlist point of view most probably are indicative of the inner turmoil and internal struggles that the ex-fundie is having with his former faith. The fundamantalist post that they respond most strongly against are possible just echoes of the voices in their own head that they just can't seem to shake.

At any rate, that is my impression of why many non-Christians feel the need to spend their time at a Christian site.

[rubberduckie]

hey I resent that solomon. I am a fundamentalist ;) that's ok. lol I know what your saying, I don't like to argue with fellow believers, I mean why should we, if we serve the only true God, and have the same Holy Spirit living within us. But I do like how at least non-believers can read this site, and post in it. Because hey, you know it's kinda rude to form a secret society and church doors are open to non-believers, but the internet is available to sooo many people, what a great opportunity to witness for the Lord, either to non-Christians, bitterly trying to wage war with Christians, or those seriously interested and searching for something, which they may or may not know to be the Lord Jesus Christ.

[Emmy]

I like it the way it is at the moment,that way we can uphold each other and perhaps at the same time can be witnesses fo our Lord Jesus.Greetings Emmy.

[rubberduckie]

Amen sister :)

[I_are_sceptical]

Christian Sword and Contender Ministries have made me feel unwanted. Now this. :sigh:

I think us thick-headed argumentative types should be allowed to post in some areas here.

[I_are_sceptical]

I do have a question? WHY would a non christian want to come here? I'm not talking about someone that is clearly searching for truth but those that come here just to instigate an arguement and start trouble.
Because you people flat out will not answer the questions I have been asking since 1976 when I first realized Christians were trying to tell me something. Every Christian I've ever talked with is evasive. I always get the same five or six verses, none of which deal with the issues I am concerned with. I keep thinking that if I just ask one more person I will get a real discussion instead of a mindless parrot reading from a tract.

[rubberduckie]

Hey I_are_sceptical, (very honest :) ) We need to talk ;) What are the questions you have? Please if there is anything I can give you the answer too, let me know. I posted a long thing in the poll on sex before marriage that talks about the basic beliefs, but I'll be praying for you. Man, that's a long time to be searching.

[Mustaphile]

Because you people flat out will not answer the questions I have been asking since 1976 when I first realized Christians were trying to tell me something. Every Christian I've ever talked with is evasive. I always get the same five or six verses, none of which deal with the issues I am concerned with. I keep thinking that if I just ask one more person I will get a real discussion instead of a mindless parrot reading from a tract.

Welcome to CF, I_are_skeptical. :)

[The Whammy]

I think non-Christians should be able to read everything that goes on...I think it's part of the ministry that goes on here. I don't think they should be allowed to post in the designated Christian areas.

--Chris

[rubberduckie]

I_are_skeptical, I so resent the mindless parrot thing. Please don't say that about us or anyone. I am not a mindless parrot and neither are you. I may repeat to you the same verses as others, but what are the issues you are concerned about? You must realize that as Christians, the issue we are concerned about, and you'll see it in prayer requests. is Is he/she saved? Because, all else comes later, the most important thing is a person's salvation. Their health is also a concern, but what the body lacks for a short time in which we call life on earth, is nothing compared to the torture the body might endure in hell.

[I_are_sceptical]

rubberduckie, I wasn't calling YOU that. Look at my post again. Doesn't it say

I keep thinking that if I just ask one more person I will get a real discussion
and that's what happened, right? Keep those lengthy PMs coming. :)

My statement was a challenge to the members of CF to talk to me. Really talk, not say the same things I've heard a hundred times already.

[The Julikenz]

Christian Sword and Contender Ministries have made me feel unwanted. Now this. :sigh:

I think us thick-headed argumentative types should be allowed to post in some areas here.

hey man, great to have you here! :wave: thats kool if ur argumentative and thick headed, we just know to have more patience, persevwerance and prayer with you!! :prayer: if u wanna pm me, id love to have a chat to ya even if it isnt a Christian based Chat, i see ur a united nations person, how very cool! i dont believe i know any body from the united nations! be welcomed as we r all family in here..cya.

In the name of Christ Jesus i greet you :hug:

[Arwen Undomiel]

I like CF the way it is, with a place for CO. My one question: does it bother anyone else that more than a few people have said (here and in other threads) they left Christianity because of CF? I am not at all criticizing, just honestly wondering.

[SolomonVII]

I like CF the way it is, with a place for CO. My one question: does it bother anyone else that more than a few people have said (here and in other threads) they left Christianity because of CF? I am not at all criticizing, just honestly wondering.Such statements need to be taken with a grain of salt. With 800+ people on this forum at any one time, every aspect of Christian life and belief being described here, any question that anyone could possibly think of being answered from a variety of different angles and perspectives, people have ample opportunity to select what posts are going to influence them the most.
If people are looking for reasons to leave Christianity, those reasons will be found here right alongside with the reasons and personal experiences of others having their faith fortified by the witness of the many wonderful Christian voices here.

[MQTA]

Such statements need to be taken with a grain of salt. With 800+ people on this forum at any one time, every aspect of Christian life and belief being described here, any question that anyone could possibly think of being answered from a variety of different angles and perspectives, people have ample opportunity to select what posts are going to influence them the most.
If people are looking for reasons to leave Christianity, those reasons will be found here right alongside with the reasons and personal experiences of others having their faith fortified by the witness of the many wonderful Christian voices here.
I'll agree with ya there. When I read threads, I'll find myself agreeing with what someone is saying, and then the next post someone shows where the original was in error. I may then also see the errors of the first post, but then someone else will reply and show how the 2nd was also in error.

Everyone reads each post and gets out of it something different, based upon their personal experiences and what they're looking for.

If CF is "responsible" for someone losing their religion or another becoming even more religious, then for each of those two people, CF was a valuable resource. It helped someone help themselves. It may not be the design or intent, but the big picture, to be Helpful, it was indeed that.

[Libby1]

Quote from Arwen Undomeil

"I like CF the way it is, with a place for CO. My one question: does it bother anyone else that more than a few people have said (here and in other threads) they left Christianity because of CF? I am not at all criticizing, just honestly wondering."

I too like CF the way it is and I'm fairly new here. No it does not bother me. Anyone looking for an 'excuse' will find it either here or at home....anywhere

Example: an alcoholic who is on the wagon for one year suddenly becomes nasty, grumpy and starts looking for any excuse to drink but refusing to accept responsibility for themselves as an individual but will blame anyone else for taking that drink.

Libby1

[xMinionX]

What a silly poll. Of course non-christians should be allowed. Otherwise, you'd just have a bunch of people sitting around agreeing with each other all the time. What fun would that be? ;)

[violetstar]

No this is a perfect way too lead more people to Christ, the internet is search by everyone, so it give us more people we can touch through this site.

[weezyjenn]

all are welcome...but keep it clean folks!!!!

[JW youth]

I'd like to comment here. I have grown up as one of Jehovah's Witnesses and am searching for 'truth' now.

1. If this was just for Christians isn't that un-Biblical? we are to 'go ye therefore' not make it an exclusive club.

2. I can't grasp trinity, so the Nicene Creed states that in order to be called Christian you need to declare that it is true FIRST... did Jesus say this? no.

3. I love Jehovah God and I thank His son daily for being willing to die for me. If this forum didn't allow me in here I wonder where the line is drawn then....mind boggles doesn't it?

We must remain witnesses for GOD to ALL of His...John 1:10 states that Jesus came to His own and His own knew Him not....His own is HIs created and that is All mankind.

James

[violetstar]

No, we are christian we should not discriminate against other people , religion an or belief, only God is the judge over that.

[Pacigoth13]

the claim of Christianforums "uniting all as one body" sure sounds ecumenical, doesn't it? but once you get dragged down into the ghettos of Churchianity and Biblianity you find yourself wondering if unity really extends further than just between conservative republican right-wing homophobic dispensational fundamentalists.

what one really finds here is a
CHRISTIAN CASTE SYSTEM

because there are different levels of acceptance here. yes, everyone has their own little "forum". but we all know who is at the bottom of the triangle: all "non-christians". the next level is progressive christians. so and so forth. believing in the literal dictation of scripture here will get you more brownie points than holding to a 'God through human minds' view. if you don't buy into pres. bush or the rapture or whatever the recent christian pop fad happens to be, then you get demoted. if you stand up for gay people or other minorities you get demoted as well... and, if, by some freak chance, a real live gay person (christian or otherwise) were to wander onto this board, they would probably be banned after three posts. so we see who is really at the low end of the totem pole here... gays, freaks, liberals, and oh yes...

did i mention the entire requirement of mental suicide upon joining 'christian forums'? you do realise, don't you, that real christians don't use their god-given mind? they open it up and let their _________(fill in the blank: pastor, friend, family, church, left behind book etc) dump garbage inside and then they close it up and accuse other people of being too open minded and tolerant. one can hardly point fingers against tolerance given some of the merde some people here tolerate in their own beliefs.

so yes, it is all about the christian caste system. nevermind that there is nothing 'christian' about caste systems. before liberals "redefined" things like the resurrection, conservative "redefined" 'christian' (the pot keeps calling the kettle black). when 'christian' isn't about christ, it isn't 'christian' (duh). and where have we all left the historical Jesus in all of our abstract systems of theology? we have left him as a relic of ancient judaism, in the stones and the pages of old... and the way of peace we have not known.

die menscheit ist arrogant... leider.

[Pacigoth13]

conclusion: "christianforums" is already too exclusive... if it gets any more exclusive, i'll have to leave.

[Pacigoth13]

btw, loki, have you read 'the gospel of Christian atheism' by Thomas JJ Altizer?

[Blessed-one]

that's because people have the wrong focus.
try the deeper fellowship forum instead..

half half. Christians are in the world but not of the world. Complete isolation is impossible, and it's not what God wants either.

[SFBay]

I vote to keep it the way it is now. :)

[encouraging loves animals]

The whole point believing in God as GOd would do is include non christians in the convesation on christian forum.
Think about it how would you like to be kick out for not believing in God.
God accepts non christian, if we believe in him, we should accept anyone in here

[honeybadger]

well since I'm not a Christian obviously I don't believe in kicking non-Christians off the forum. kicking people off only makes Christians look self-centered and close-minded. don't you want to encourage non-Christians to learn more about Christianity? a little debate is healthy and does not have to lead to aggressive arguments. I have been kicked off Christian discussion boards before simply for being a non-believer. how silly.

[TheMainException]

I think that some forums should be for Christians only, others for non-christians and others for both so that we can mingle when we want to and talk amoungst our selves when we want to. If you don't want to be contradicted every time you say something, go to a Christian forum, if you want to have a moreopen discussion on the things of God with everyone and allow non-Christians to say what they believe then that should be okay too.

[signwonder]

Perhaps non-christians can see the truth and get saved becaue of what they see out here. It would kinda be nice to have a place where only Christians could come and fellowship and grow without the world's influence. That isn't even available in churches with the tares that God says have been sown along side the wheat. Oh well, I guess we will just have to eat the meat and spit out the bones in the meantime.

[lilchristiangurl]

i think its better this way so non-christians can meet God

[Philled-one]

It is good for Christians to have a place where we con discuss concerns and we need a place that is for Christians only. We also need a place for non-christians who have genuine concerns and questions about the Chrisitain faith to be able to come and get honest answers without fear of being rebuked.

[Athanasian Creed]

What are your thoughts and views?I like it the way it is now - obviously there are going to be forums that are "Christian specific" and therefore should only be such.

I have found most non-Christians on the various forums to be respectful of Christians and, more importantly, of Christ and it's nice to understand where others, Christian and non, are coming from on various issues. Maybe, when all is said-and-done, there will be more non-Christians who will come to the saving knowledge of Christ because of our interaction together and that our words/actions as Christians will show non-Christians how utter worthy our great God and Saviour is of their trust, love, honour, devotion and worship !!!:pray: :bow:


Ray :wave:

[going_crazy_am_i_me2]

i think all the forums should be open to everyone. casue if non-christians have questions and dont know where to ask, they can just post and most likely they will get an answer. the way it is now, not all the forums are open to non-christians, so if they ask a question, the only way christians know about it is if they go searching in the other section.

[Dr Majestic]

It should be open to all just as christ is.

[DanielJamesSimon]

I think having a Christian forum open to everyone is good because non-Christians can come in and ask questions about/discuss Christian issues they might be wondering about. It is also a bit unChristian to exclude other people from public places such as this, and non-Christians would especially think so.

I think having a Christian forum exclusively for Christians is also very good, because it allows Christians to discuss issues with other Christians without having to, excuse the term, fight off the non-Christians who will largely try to argue with or disprove the Christians. Having Christian only sections is definitely a good part.

So I voted half-half. I like it how it is.:)

[Dark_Adonis]

What are your thoughts and views? No, No, No... This place is just too much fun to prohibit non-christians, besides I'm sure most people here enjoy the interaction with people of other faiths... At least I do...

[*nicholas*]

As Christians you want non-Christians to be able to visit otherwise how will they know.

WOuld you tell non-Christians they are not allowed in Church???

[Big Mouth Nana]

I put open for everyone. How do we know that we won't lead that athiest to Christ by something that was say. Gods word doesn't return void, and His words are life.

[Crystal_Dawn]

For some non-believers this could be their only way to ever learn about Christ so I think that we have an obligation as Christians to love them and include them here. But I do not think that we should tolerate any sort of abuse from anyone, Christian or not. I like the way it is now.

[RobinB]

<<if you went the way of BB and purged all non-believers>>


Hi--I'm new here--what is BB??

[Centrifuge04]

I voted for Yes, non-Christians should not be allowed to post

[BobbieDog]

Jesus broke the hermetic seal on the Jewish faith.
Jesus said that the gentile too should have free access to living water.

What CF chooses to do is something else. Its something of a hybrid. A somewhat open private club. As such the private club can choose how to run itself, can set its own goals and management.

What would happen it it shut out non-Christians, remembering that this shut out would include many who consider themselves Christian, but come to be not so considered by some on CF.
A certain orthodoxy could become better organised. Simultaneously there would be a drift from engagement with the world.
The intellectual capability carried in CF would drop of dramatically. Within the orthodoxy, this might be welcomed. Again this drop off would weaken the ability of CF to engage with the current human world, which again might be welcomed in itself by an orthodoxy.

Is CF an academy for the production of orthodox Christians, or is CF an opportunity for engagement with the human world. Is CF a vehicle for salvation, or a vehicle for human redemption.

Could CF hack it without the non-Christians. Are the non-Christians required to rescue some from the excesses of orthodoxy. Does Christianity have the best take on God anyway. In what sort of comparative state is Christianity anway, compared to the other mainstream faiths.

Is ecumenicalism important.
Do we as Christians have a responsibility to ameliorate the faith and perspective based conflicts of the world.
Can we as Christians, from our discussions with all on CF, make important general contribution to an often troubled world.
Is it important to practice witness with all comers, in a somewhat safe environment.
Is cyber estate something that Christianity is still learning about. Is CF a learning opportunity, rather than a facility for Christianity.

I wouldn't vote in this, because I think that this issue will be settled one way or another, by a grouping who already have placed the sea anchors on the CF orthodoxy, for better or for worse.
I cannot tell what they intend, or what they understand. I don't think my reasoning, one way or another could influence this orthdoxy.

All the Christian forums I visit are open. Christianity is increasingly ecumenical and inclusive in its general life.
It seems a strange question to be asking, unless its being used as a lightning rod.
At the end of the day it wouldn't really matter. If CF failed to be something, one way or the other, then something else would arise to fill that void and need.

[cat has felt the light!]

I like it like this
C@ xx

[Evee]

It should be open to all just as christ is.


Yes right!
When we start considering it an exclusive club then it don't mean nothing.
The reason would be because Jesus intended for everyone to hear.
After that it is the responsibility of the hearer.

[Evee]

From what I understand, its somone who has very Christian like practices, but does not usually believe in a God. The do thing like worhip and liturgy but do them because they believ they are benefencial to the person. Most of them also look highly on the Jesus Christ, but more because of his principles.

Then they should consider jesus if he is talking to their heart.

[Evee]

Why is this subject brought up?
If it ever becomes exclusive to christians only I can guarantee I will be gone.
I would not stay and listen to people that are so closed minded and fearful that a non christian could not post.
What good is that?
Jesus wants us all to mingle.
This is one of the reasons I post in apologetics.

[rhemarob]

I like the way it is now, we need to be open to non-Christians so they can get ahold of the gospel but some forums should be Christians only to discourage troublemakers that are not really seeking legitimate answers and are only looking to flame.

[Ashlynne]

if they were Christian only I would not be here..
I think they should be monitored carefuly to keep the garbage out but not Christian only.

[Amanda-Soo]

I like it the way it is now. If it were for Christians only we wouldn't be able to reach out to others.

[faith by day]

I like the way it is.......

[Touring3D]

I post on the spirituality boards at IGN.com. The atheists are terrible there! They troll in innocent threads, and constantly bash Christians. They don't even bash theists... just Christians. It's pretty sad.

[MQTA]

I post on the spirituality boards at IGN.com. The atheists are terrible there! They troll in innocent threads, and constantly bash Christians. They don't even bash theists... just Christians. It's pretty sad. Oh but that doesn't happen here. Not that I've seen, anyway.

[Mimi]

Nope, because we learn from each other and not only from Christians!

Did I say that before????

[Sacrifice]

Half. Like it is now. I think that some topics, non christians would not fully understand them, but some topics are better if many different types of people participate in them.
This forum is great the way it is.

[~Lynn~]

I think all forums should be open to everyone. Right now I feel like Christians have something to hide where they don't want non-Christians in their "space" to discuss, where there is really no area for "non-Christians only" to discuss Christianity and how it impacts them without feeling the prying opinions of us Christians.

[indeep]

I'm content the way it is now. :)

[A4C]

But I'm a philosophical neophyte, so I could very well be talking out of an inappropriate oriface. :)
I think there are certain things we could agree on :)

[stray bullet]

Should be open to everyone. What kind of Church would only open its doors to Christians? What kind of Christian only welcomes Christian strangers?

[mesue]

IMHO

I like it the way it is. I like that there's an outreach to the Non-Christian
and
A place where I, as a Christian, can go to fellowship with other Christians.

[Jennifer615]

I think it would be wrong to exclude non-Christians. Who knows, what they read here may lead to their salvation. If we reject them, they will reject us.

Keep it the way it is!!!!!

[_Zap_]

I like how it is now.

[hopper]

It's great to be able to field questions and offer help to unbelievers.

[The "J"]

I like it the way it is now!

Actually, I have no idea how it is now, I'm just trying to spam to 100.

[Moros]

Nope.

[Constantine]

I do like it how it is now, but I do wish non-Christians had more options, because I like reading about their faiths (Don't worry, I'm secure in mine) and talking with them, it's kinda hard to right now, but it still works.

[TheDandyMan]

I just realized that the way it is right now is perfect. I wouldn't change a thing.

[Kristi1]

I voted ~> No, all forums should be open to everyone!


* Leave it open to everyone, this way they can see that Christians are Loving people and maybe this way they can find Jesus here!!!


Blessings, \o/ :clap:

KristiAnn

[Evee]

I voted ~> No, all forums should be open to everyone!


* Leave it open to everyone, this way they can see that Christians are Loving people and maybe this way they can find Jesus here!!!


Blessings, \o/ :clap:

KristiAnn I also agree with you.

[Starting again]

Yeah, it is a hard one, I'm not all that fussed, but I like how it is now.

[Guioam]

I think it shoule be open to all 'cause Jesus said:

"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed! 51Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. "
Luke 12:49-52

34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn
" 'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--
36a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'"
Matthew 10:34-36

[christianfilmcrew]

Let me rephrase the question and you can deduce an answer:

Should Jesus be for Christians only?

[Kristi1]

Let me rephrase the question and you can deduce an answer:

Should Jesus be for Christians only?



Nope, Jesus Died for Everyone's Sin's!!!!!!! ;)


BTW ~ Welcome to Christian Forums!!!


Blessings, \o/ :clap:

KristiAnn

[christianfilmcrew]

Thanks... Kinda came looking for a forum to be able to discuss end times stuff and the current state of the world, but I love poll forums :D

[Kristi1]

Thanks... Kinda came looking for a forum to be able to discuss end times stuff and the current state of the world, but I love poll forums :D


You're most Welcome!! There are a lot of them here too.. ;)


Blessings, \o/ :clap:

KristiAnn

[whatseekye]

It's very hard via the internet to authenticate who the real Christians are. Things are pretty nice the way they are, surprisingly enough. Lots of nice people here.

[OhhhChung]

Absolutely not. Christian Forums can be a way of evangelism so it must be for everyone.

[brismatt]

Thanks... Kinda came looking for a forum to be able to discuss end times stuff
if you want to discuss end times , i dare you to take on workingmum.;)

[Workingmum]

My thoughts are that particular areas of this forum should be open wide to respectful non-believers. But others, which are designated as Christian, should be an oasis distinctly for the universal body of believers which is shielded from assault and violation.
I couldn't have said it better if I tried. There are times when a person does not want to have to debate a Biblical topic with an atheist who just seems bent on proving there is no God.:sorry:

[Workingmum]

I feel that the forums should be open for everyone...... oh,and there is no such thing as a Christian Atheist! Either a Christian or a Atheist... My opinion.. ;)
Macquarie Dictionary: "Christ - The Anointed One the Messiah expected by the Jews, Jesus of Nazareth as fulfilling this expectation."
"Christian - relating to or coming from Jesus Christ, believing in Jesus Christ and belonging to the religion of Jesus Christ."

Jesus was and said He was the Messiah, God's Chosen One, the Redeemer for mankind, and those who follow Him are His people, Christians. To call yourself a Christian but not believe there is a God is theoretically impossible according to the definition of the words. You are basically good, moral, law-abiding atheists.

PS Sorry, kind of getting off the point of this discussion - maybe we need a thread on this topic!

[Workingmum]

Oooops, did I kill this thread?

[k]

Voted "no" because who knows how the Holy Spirit works? What if God had said "That Saul is a Christian murderer, no room for him in Heaven!?" God turned Saul into Paul and used him to forever mold the Bible. The forums should be open to everyone, but not without monitoring. If someone wishes to join in discussion the Holy Spirit will make it clear in God's time whether the person is seeking God or seeking to destroy God's children.

Peace

[DXRocker73]

I think it's fine the way it is. There are forums for only Christian discussion as well as forums that are open to anyone. This gives everyone an oppurtunity to speak.

[princess_ballet]

I enjoy the board the way it is now.

[Qidron]

I'd like to see the forums opened to everyone. Most of us state our spiritualitly and that helps when we read a post to know if someone is coming from a Bible based understanding. We can always glean.

I'm thinkin here that a "Christian Athiest" is an obvious oxymoron. How about a Pagan Christian? I know ppl who vehemently claim they are just that. I just don't understand how anyone can claim Christianity and then mix something else into it....especially when the Bible says NO WAY.

QUESTION: Can non-Christians READ the "Christian Only" posts? If they can, then those private forums aren't much of an oasis, OR very private. Those who do not know Christ ought to be able to post and ask questions right there where they come up. But then sometimes, like mum said, we just don't always want to put up with someone who wants to just hassle or argue....BUT I'VE ALREADY RUN INTO "CHRISTIANS" HERE WHO DO THIS :sigh:

In any case...I REALLY DO LIKE CHRISTIAN FORUMS AND AM VERY GLAD TO BE HERE.
^_^

[~Wisdom Seeker~]

Remember the childrens song, Behold I stand at the door and knock, knock, knock? It's the illustration of Jesus standing at the door of our heart, asking to be welcomed in. If we're supposed to be "Christ like"...why would we ever think we should lock the door to anyone?!

"Christian" means "Christ like". If Christians can't hold Christs example as their own, then those Christians shouldn't call themselves "Christians".

[Gwynne]

I like the way things are :D How are we to reach out to non-believers if we close ourselves off entirely?

[ChristianGirlNY]

forums should be open to non-christians becase they may need help

[PrayerPointPerson]

I think non-Christians should be able to have input and to explain their POV, but I think that to avoid flamming or hate posts that some should be limited to Christian members

[brinny]

No. Christian forums should not be Christians only.

[CeCe]

Fine the way it is. :thumbsup:

[97trsgl]

it is hard to truly say because different people would have a different opinion on who is a Christian and who is not

[okiemommy26]

I like the way it is now

[Neal]

Absolutely not. We can know all the creeds of the other religions, but until we ask a person, "What do you believe," we won't understand them more fully.

[Maeyken]

I like the way it is now. I think it's good to have sections where both Christians and non-Christians can post, but I also like the Christians-only sections. Christian sections can be a supportive environment for asking questions you want a Christian opinion on, which I appreciate.

[rahul_sharma]

for all:)

[apadilla]

i think that if a non-christian comes in a looks at a christian forum, i believe that God is working in him/her.
he/she must be searching for something or he would not be in a christian forum.
so, i love it the way it is.
i believe that as long as people keep asking the right people, the right questions, they will get the right answers.

"information without interrogation is an abomination"

[honeybear06]

If you close the forums from non-Christians where does that leave the rest of us? Who do we turn to with our questions, when we seek comfort and salvation, who will be there to open that door and help us in? Food for thought my friends...:confused:

[FishR'O'Men]

I think it is very important for fellowship and the uplift of Christian man but what good do we all do if not the work of Christ? We are to spread the word amongst ourselves and to sinners.

[Evie]

What are your thoughts and views?
Christ said to go into all the world.
What would our purpose be if we did not allow others to be on here?

[savvy]

If this place was all Christian, the debates sure wouldn't be as interesting as they are now.

[begoten son lover_1]

... If we kick all non christians out, how loving is that?
ok i disagree with most of yall but this made me mad God said not to yoke your self to them and so i think that means that yes do preach but dont let them control the things your in.

you do know that means that you can have some thing and not have them in it!!

[d-11even]

Just leave the way it is now.

[Hisbygrace]

I believe that Christian Forums should be open to all who would participate. How do we know or choose who God has sent here for edification or encouragement?

[Kestrel25]

I think the forum should be open to everyone. It wouldn't be fair if some of us could stay and others of us had to go.

[Saint2be27]

I think turning away someone from the forum because they are not Christian would be similar to turning someone away from church.

We wouldn't want to do that, would we? :)

[sammipher]

No, all forums should be open to everyone!

[JesusFreak877]

I also agree that the forums should be welcome to everyone here.

[Lutheran444]

I think they should be open to everyone...otherwise you give no one else a chance to express their beliefs. The forums would go like this:

Member 1: "Praise Jesus!"
Member 2: "Darn Right!"
Member 1: "Yeah..."
Member 2: "........."

:) Ok well that's an exaggeration, but I do think that having a diversity of viewpoints can only be a good thing.

[no_worries]

I like how it is now.. I think it's very important that non-christians be welcomed as members (like any church) but I also think it's nice to have a Christian's only forum where we can discuss our faith more deeply without having to constantly debate it's validity and talk about good ways of witnessing :D that's my two-pence on the matter

[sictransitgloriamundi]

yeah

[bubblefish]

I think these forums should be open to anyone. It is a way for non-christians to see our views and ask questions about our religion and just get to know us a bit.
They may even bring people to God. To be saved.

[sictransitgloriamundi]

I think these forums should be open to anyone. It is a way for non-christians to see our views and ask questions about our religion and just get to know us a bit.
They may even bring people to God. To be saved.

mega good point. i agree.

[RalPA]

I like it the way forums are now, don't see any need for a change! :thumbsup:

[Revelation 19:6]

I think the forums should be open to Christians and Non-Christians alike.

[Auren]

Whoever can conduct themselves in a civil manner should be allowed.

[Love&Pain]

I think this site should be opened to everyone, regardless of their beliefs :thumbsup: Christians tend to create a christian ghetto where we tend to stay in our own world. What we need to do is keep this site open so everyone can be welcomed. I knew an atheist that joined this site. She was confused about her site. She came here everyday. She read and posted in these forums. Other believers stood by her, prayed for her, spoke the message to her. Now, she gave her life to Christ because of this site :amen: I think everyone should be allowed to express their opinions, thoughts, and ideas in this forum. This is a place to learn, make disciples, and teach others the Good news about Jesus Christ :preach:

[monkeystink]

This is a great witnessing tool. I found it while looking for a way out (sort of speak.) My relationship with God is growing much faster than it was before I found you all. Thanks and God bless.

[eaglex]

this is a good way to introduce others to Christ and to explain the Christian walk.Also to explain what salvation in Christ really means.:amen:

[NacDan]

The only reason I support the half & half system being used now is due to my experience with forums where anyone can post. Usually you have a few trouble makers that just want to anger everyone else. The discussion can never get any deeper than petty arguments against the very existance of God.

[JohnnyV]

I think the Atheists like to cause too many arguements, Thats my only beef with the way things are. Why allow people to come in and berate believers for their faith?? If they are actively seeking information and UNDERSTANDING then thats one thing, but when they come in JUST to pick an arguement and try to humiliate people then thats another!

[hazeleyes80]

I voted that I like the way it is now. I think it is a good idea to allow non-Christians to post so that they can network with Christians. Maybe something that someone on this site would tell a non-Christian will make him/her a believer.

[ALASKACHICK10]

I voted I like the way it is now. half and half so non-christian can ask stuff to Christians..

[SmEaGoL!]

In the non-Christians sections yes. :)

[XxAuroraxX]

it should be open to everyone! afterall if you had a bunch of people, all around the same age, with the same beliefs, talking about the same things. how boring would that be?

[jcright]

I like the way it is now. There is a section for us so that we can discuss what we want without interference and there is a section where we can talk to nonbelievers.

[Godjunkie]

This is an interesting question, and I am going to have to say yes in the sense that if a non Christian wants to come in and engage in a civil conversation, then that's great. However, there are some non-Christians out there that find it humerous to be absolute slobs and just see what they can get away with all the while having no intentions of listing to what we have to say.

[Saruman]

I think everyone should be allowed here, regardless of faith.

[A4C]

I think this place should be rated like any other place of worship: It would be open to all but it is expected that visitors be respectful.
Too many times I have seen that because the christians viewpoint is in the minority in a forum, the non christian believes that his "darkness" prevail and ridicules and abuses the believer. Of course the experienced ones know how to milk the moderator system often trapping the believer into warnings and banning.
The scenario above would be like a group of bikies storming into your church, taking over the microphone and expelling those who didn't like it.
Now nobody's saying that bikies shouldn't come to your church but they should be respectful to you when they arrive , obey the rules and not attempt to manipulate anybody.

[MQTA]

I think this place should be rated like any other place of worship:
So, how do you rate this place?

What scale?

[A4C]

So, how do you rate this place?

What scale?
On the 1 to 10 scale of bikie tolerence
perhaps 9.5

[LilRitt04]

My thoughts would have to be that if you are not giving the opportunity to read what Christians have to say and also ask questions for Christians to answer, it opens there horizons and allows them to see the other point of views. I think that they should keep the forums as is.

[LilRitt04]

I think the Atheists like to cause too many arguements, Thats my only beef with the way things are. Why allow people to come in and berate believers for their faith?? If they are actively seeking information and UNDERSTANDING then thats one thing, but when they come in JUST to pick an arguement and try to humiliate people then thats another!
You hit the nail on the head! lol

[ascribe2thelord]

We need to allow non-Christians to pose questions, hopefully for us to answer them and perhaps correct some wrong notions about Christianity that some people seem to have.

[MQTA]

Or maybe even give some more clarity to some correct notions. Some of these threads may seem like useless bantering, but I'm sure getting a lot out of it. There's quite a few well versed folk actively engaged on CF. Being able to hear both sides of some issues is great.



We need to allow non-Christians to pose questions, hopefully for us to answer them and perhaps correct some wrong notions about Christianity that some people seem to have.

[chris714ndud3]

i like things the way they are now

[Waterhouse]

that would make this place boring!

[Richard]

We learn from those who differ from our viewpoints. How are we to know what non-christians are thinking about us, and what we are doing that is turning them away from Christ, if this forum was Christian Only. How would we grow?

2 Peter 3:18

[Richard]

So, how do you rate this place?

What scale?

1 to 10 on Growing Mature in Christ

9.7

I think this is a marvelous place to be.

[JacqS]

I have only been a member of CF for a couple of months, and feel I have grown a lot in that short time simply because when I find a comment on a subject that I don't instantly agree with, it causes me to question my stance on the topic, and do some study and research into it, therefore I believe that having non-christians in here can only help to strengthen us all...and I think that if we maintain a christian attitude when someone does become 'argumentative' as someone has previously suggested, it is quite easy to respond politely, but to ignore any attempts to egg you into an argument.

[plum]

i said half and half because i think it works well this way. though i'm not sure so many forums should be restricted to Christians only.

[pentecostalgirl0414]

I like it the way that it is. :)

[ShilohCity]

if it ain't broke...

[big1968dog]

We should never close the door on the possibility of someone becoming saved. If a non-Christian is posting (or just reading) on this website, then they must be seeking something... whether they admit it or not. We (Christians) have a great opportunity to witness right here on this forum.

[fairiedust]

we should allow everyone to post because there is always a chance that that person will see God's light and become a Christian

[Greenthumb]

I like it just the way it is.

[goldenviolet]

:groupray: Philippians 4:11
I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. ;)

[cyberfugue]

Half-half - I like the way it is now. I think these forums are perfect!

[xray01]

I like it the way it is. Some should be open to non-Christians, in the hope that they may become saved

[AvgJoe]

1/2 & 1/2, like they are now