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<blockquote data-quote="FredVB" data-source="post: 66632599" data-attributes="member: 259043"><p>Previous to my posting there were others introducing themselves as vegetarians more or less in coming to this subforum who were welcomed as I saw. After I posted to introduce myself, instead of that another poster who is clearly not vegetarian at the time of posting came on this thread and said things to oppose everything I said. It certainly was inappropriate as this is specifically for vegetarians to have for communication.</p><p></p><p>I don't know if Morse86 still will see things posted in this thread, but I have to say everything he had said in his post in this thread was misinformation, and it may have yet others coming to believe those things.</p><p></p><p>There are ordinances for the clean animals to people of Israel, yet the animals were designated clean for proper sacrifice before Israel was around, and before meat was permitted for food too. God did not always permit it, after many centuries of not doing that, when the world with its life was destroyed and the remaining creatures breathing air were in the ark and then just coming out, God then permitted it in this extreme circumstance, and with restrictions on how to have it, applying to Noah and those with him and any of his descendants, yet most of them and likely this poster don't take care observing to not have the blood with the meat being had. This is not something done away, it applied to all who are descended from Noah, and the apostles confirm that for believers, as they had written with agreement from the Spirit of God, as can be seen in Acts 15.</p><p></p><p>Hebrews 5:14 was used way out of context, solid food in the passage is not even referring to meat, and solid food in that passage is a symbolic reference to weightier matters for believers beyond the basics that every believer should have been learning right away.</p><p></p><p>There are loads of evidence about the environmental issues, which do concern God, and for which raising crops for food is far better, it would overwhelm just one thread.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black">I can speak of God's design, with it shown that meat for humans to eat was not originally a part of that, having eventually been permitted, with a purpose for that, but with restrictions which really should be observed with what God said though it is generally not, and things shown that it was not to continue endlessly. With Christ having come for us it was showing animals never had to die for us again. That they do is only for a demand out of a preference, that has grown by huge amounts in just a human lifetime.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black"><a href="http://www.animalvisuals.org/projects/data/slaughter" target="_blank">Rate of Slaughter of Chickens, Pigs, and Cows in the United States, 2008, AnimalVisuals.org</a></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black"><a href="http://www.humanesociety.org/news/resources/research/stats_slaughter_totals.html" target="_blank">Farm Animal Statistics: Slaughter Totals : The Humane Society of the United States</a> <a href="http://www.adaptt.org/killcounter.html" target="_blank">The Animal Kill Counter << ADAPTT :: Animals Deserve Absolute Protection Today and Tomorrow</a></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black"> </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black"> With it coming to 150 billion animals in this world slaughtered each year specifically for human use, this is not how there can be stability in our world, which is being threatened anyway, but with nothing so much as with this.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black"><strong><u><span style="color: blue"><a href="http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/editorial/bob-alexanders-commentary/34640-this-is-worse-than-that.html" target="_blank">This Is Worse Than That</a></span></u></strong></span></span></span> </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black"> </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black">Compassion alone, which would be had with godliness, does not lead us to take part in that, and it should speak to us to look into alternatives. But animals raised and slaughtered for us, instead of plants that could provide for us without anything close to as much demand on resources, has a tremendous impact on the world with its environments, and having meat the way most of us do is not even better for our health, there may be serious health issues from it. Using just a good variety of vegetable food is better for some things health-wise, including prevention of cancers, avoiding cardiovascular problems, and even reversing type 2 diabetes. </span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FredVB, post: 66632599, member: 259043"] Previous to my posting there were others introducing themselves as vegetarians more or less in coming to this subforum who were welcomed as I saw. After I posted to introduce myself, instead of that another poster who is clearly not vegetarian at the time of posting came on this thread and said things to oppose everything I said. It certainly was inappropriate as this is specifically for vegetarians to have for communication. I don't know if Morse86 still will see things posted in this thread, but I have to say everything he had said in his post in this thread was misinformation, and it may have yet others coming to believe those things. There are ordinances for the clean animals to people of Israel, yet the animals were designated clean for proper sacrifice before Israel was around, and before meat was permitted for food too. God did not always permit it, after many centuries of not doing that, when the world with its life was destroyed and the remaining creatures breathing air were in the ark and then just coming out, God then permitted it in this extreme circumstance, and with restrictions on how to have it, applying to Noah and those with him and any of his descendants, yet most of them and likely this poster don't take care observing to not have the blood with the meat being had. This is not something done away, it applied to all who are descended from Noah, and the apostles confirm that for believers, as they had written with agreement from the Spirit of God, as can be seen in Acts 15. Hebrews 5:14 was used way out of context, solid food in the passage is not even referring to meat, and solid food in that passage is a symbolic reference to weightier matters for believers beyond the basics that every believer should have been learning right away. There are loads of evidence about the environmental issues, which do concern God, and for which raising crops for food is far better, it would overwhelm just one thread. [FONT=arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black]I can speak of God's design, with it shown that meat for humans to eat was not originally a part of that, having eventually been permitted, with a purpose for that, but with restrictions which really should be observed with what God said though it is generally not, and things shown that it was not to continue endlessly. With Christ having come for us it was showing animals never had to die for us again. That they do is only for a demand out of a preference, that has grown by huge amounts in just a human lifetime. [URL="http://www.animalvisuals.org/projects/data/slaughter"]Rate of Slaughter of Chickens, Pigs, and Cows in the United States, 2008, AnimalVisuals.org[/URL] [URL="http://www.humanesociety.org/news/resources/research/stats_slaughter_totals.html"]Farm Animal Statistics: Slaughter Totals : The Humane Society of the United States[/URL] [URL="http://www.adaptt.org/killcounter.html"]The Animal Kill Counter << ADAPTT :: Animals Deserve Absolute Protection Today and Tomorrow[/URL] With it coming to 150 billion animals in this world slaughtered each year specifically for human use, this is not how there can be stability in our world, which is being threatened anyway, but with nothing so much as with this. [FONT=arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][B][U][COLOR=blue][URL="http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/editorial/bob-alexanders-commentary/34640-this-is-worse-than-that.html"]This Is Worse Than That[/URL][/COLOR][/U][/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] Compassion alone, which would be had with godliness, does not lead us to take part in that, and it should speak to us to look into alternatives. But animals raised and slaughtered for us, instead of plants that could provide for us without anything close to as much demand on resources, has a tremendous impact on the world with its environments, and having meat the way most of us do is not even better for our health, there may be serious health issues from it. Using just a good variety of vegetable food is better for some things health-wise, including prevention of cancers, avoiding cardiovascular problems, and even reversing type 2 diabetes. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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