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The Unsustainable Costs of President Biden’s Climate Agenda
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<blockquote data-quote="Bradskii" data-source="post: 77629811" data-attributes="member: 412388"><p>The article is by the Daily Signal which is the media outlet for the Heritage Foundation, the right wing think tank you linked to in the op. They are climate change deniers and receive funding from Exxon: <a href="https://climateinvestigations.org/heritage-foundation/" target="_blank">Heritage Foundation – Climate Investigations Center</a>. No too far south of a million dollars.</p><p></p><p>One of the links in the article shows a chart showing hurricane activity from information supplied by the Atlantic Oceanographic and Meterology Laboratory. It purports to show that there has been no increase in major hurricanes. But note this from here: <a href="https://nca2014.globalchange.gov/report/our-changing-climate/changes-hurricanes" target="_blank">National Climate Assessment</a></p><p></p><p>'There has been a substantial increase in most measures of Atlantic hurricane activity since the early 1980s, the period during which high-quality satellite data are available.,,,, These include measures of intensity, frequency, and duration as well as the number of strongest (Category 4 and 5) storms. The ability to assess longer-term trends in hurricane activity is limited by the quality of available data. The historic record of Atlantic hurricanes dates back to the mid-1800s, and indicates other decades of high activity. However, there is considerable uncertainty in the record prior to the satellite era (early 1970s), and the further back in time one goes, the more uncertain the record becomes.'</p><p></p><p>That can plainly be seen from examining the figures. For example, from the period 1850 to 1900 it shows a total of 213 hurricanes. Whereas for a similar spread of years from 1970 to 2020 there are are only 76. An almost threefold drop in hurricane activity? Obviously the figures back from a certain date can't be trusted.</p><p></p><p>Notwithstanding that, and despite the obvious fact that the numbers in the 19th century are obviously over reported, we get an average number of hurricanes per year as follows:</p><p></p><p>1890 - 1939: 1.4</p><p>1940 - 1999: 1.6</p><p>2000 - 2022: 1.8</p><p></p><p>An obvious increase. This is from a discussion we already had on the same subject back here: <a href="https://www.christianforums.com/threads/what-a-relief.8273968/page-12#post-77210852" target="_blank">What a relief</a></p><p></p><p>Following on from that, and as per the link above which stresses that we should be using more accurate data from the last 50 years, there is, apart from an anomaly in one decade, undoubtedly an increase inn the more severe hurricanes from 1970 (category 3 and above).</p><p></p><p>1970s 4</p><p>1980s 5</p><p>1990s 5</p><p>2000s 7</p><p>2010s 3</p><p>2020s 4*</p><p></p><p>* only 4, but this is only for the first three years of the decade. It will obviously be a <em>lot</em> higher.</p><p></p><p>One other thing, our climate denier chum from the Daily Signal wrote this:</p><p></p><p>'Even if America stopped emitting carbon overnight, global temperatures would decline by less than 0.2 of a degree Celsius by the year 2100, <a href="https://www.heritage.org/energy-economics/report/the-unsustainable-costs-president-bidens-climate-agenda" target="_blank">according to government models</a>.'</p><p></p><p>The aim of reducing carbon is to <em>limit further increases in the temperature</em>. The Paris Accord's stated aim was to keep global warmimg down to a maximum of 2 degrees <em>above the industrial levels</em>. Not to drop it 2 degrees. Maybe the writer didn't realise that a <em>drop</em> of 0.2 degrees is completely unobtainable. He doesn't appear to understand that which he is writing about.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bradskii, post: 77629811, member: 412388"] The article is by the Daily Signal which is the media outlet for the Heritage Foundation, the right wing think tank you linked to in the op. They are climate change deniers and receive funding from Exxon: [URL='https://climateinvestigations.org/heritage-foundation/']Heritage Foundation – Climate Investigations Center[/URL]. No too far south of a million dollars. One of the links in the article shows a chart showing hurricane activity from information supplied by the Atlantic Oceanographic and Meterology Laboratory. It purports to show that there has been no increase in major hurricanes. But note this from here: [URL='https://nca2014.globalchange.gov/report/our-changing-climate/changes-hurricanes']National Climate Assessment[/URL] 'There has been a substantial increase in most measures of Atlantic hurricane activity since the early 1980s, the period during which high-quality satellite data are available.,,,, These include measures of intensity, frequency, and duration as well as the number of strongest (Category 4 and 5) storms. The ability to assess longer-term trends in hurricane activity is limited by the quality of available data. The historic record of Atlantic hurricanes dates back to the mid-1800s, and indicates other decades of high activity. However, there is considerable uncertainty in the record prior to the satellite era (early 1970s), and the further back in time one goes, the more uncertain the record becomes.' That can plainly be seen from examining the figures. For example, from the period 1850 to 1900 it shows a total of 213 hurricanes. Whereas for a similar spread of years from 1970 to 2020 there are are only 76. An almost threefold drop in hurricane activity? Obviously the figures back from a certain date can't be trusted. Notwithstanding that, and despite the obvious fact that the numbers in the 19th century are obviously over reported, we get an average number of hurricanes per year as follows: 1890 - 1939: 1.4 1940 - 1999: 1.6 2000 - 2022: 1.8 An obvious increase. This is from a discussion we already had on the same subject back here: [URL='https://www.christianforums.com/threads/what-a-relief.8273968/page-12#post-77210852']What a relief[/URL] Following on from that, and as per the link above which stresses that we should be using more accurate data from the last 50 years, there is, apart from an anomaly in one decade, undoubtedly an increase inn the more severe hurricanes from 1970 (category 3 and above). 1970s 4 1980s 5 1990s 5 2000s 7 2010s 3 2020s 4* * only 4, but this is only for the first three years of the decade. It will obviously be a [I]lot[/I] higher. One other thing, our climate denier chum from the Daily Signal wrote this: 'Even if America stopped emitting carbon overnight, global temperatures would decline by less than 0.2 of a degree Celsius by the year 2100, [URL='https://www.heritage.org/energy-economics/report/the-unsustainable-costs-president-bidens-climate-agenda']according to government models[/URL].' The aim of reducing carbon is to [I]limit further increases in the temperature[/I]. The Paris Accord's stated aim was to keep global warmimg down to a maximum of 2 degrees [I]above the industrial levels[/I]. Not to drop it 2 degrees. Maybe the writer didn't realise that a [I]drop[/I] of 0.2 degrees is completely unobtainable. He doesn't appear to understand that which he is writing about. [/QUOTE]
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