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<blockquote data-quote="Gene2memE" data-source="post: 77290821" data-attributes="member: 341130"><p>Yes. </p><p></p><p>That has nothing to do with the topic at hand though. Russia has freedom of speech. It can't speak at a particular venue, because it's not a member of the group that gets to use the venue. Just being in Europe isn't enough (ask Turkey, or the UK).</p><p></p><p>If I can't speak to the National Press Club, because I'm not a member of that organisation, how does that impinge on my free speech?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. It might have something to do with Russia being an authoritarian state that doesn't follow international law....</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll be an egomaniac and quote myself from early May on the same topic:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">Russia <strong>doesn't want </strong>in join the European Parliament. Because, in order to do so they'll need to join the EU. And, in order to join the EU, they'll need to do a couple little things.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Like having a <strong>working democracy</strong> with <strong>open, free and fair elections</strong> monitored by international observers. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Along with <strong>conforming to EU political, security and economic aims </strong>set by the Council, Commission and Parliament. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">They'd also have to <strong>meet basic human rights standards </strong>as laid down by the European Court of Justice and European Court of Human Rights, along with <strong>adopting EU rules and regulations</strong>. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">They'd need a <strong>government that works to the rule of law </strong>- which means they'd not only need to <strong>end fighting in Ukraine</strong>, but they'd need to <strong>give back Crimea and </strong>the <strong>parts of Georgia</strong> it has occupied, <strong>as well as the parts of Moldova </strong>where it's in de factor control. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Their <strong>economy would also have to be completely retooled to meet the stable market economy provisions</strong> and to <strong>adopt the euro</strong>. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Russia COULD try to meet the Copenhagen Criteria for EU entry, but<strong> the country's present leadership doesn't want ANY of that</strong>. It's up to Russia to meet the criteria for membership. It not up to the EU to circumvent its own rules for Russia's gratification.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gene2memE, post: 77290821, member: 341130"] Yes. That has nothing to do with the topic at hand though. Russia has freedom of speech. It can't speak at a particular venue, because it's not a member of the group that gets to use the venue. Just being in Europe isn't enough (ask Turkey, or the UK). If I can't speak to the National Press Club, because I'm not a member of that organisation, how does that impinge on my free speech? Yes. It might have something to do with Russia being an authoritarian state that doesn't follow international law.... I'll be an egomaniac and quote myself from early May on the same topic: [INDENT]Russia [B]doesn't want [/B]in join the European Parliament. Because, in order to do so they'll need to join the EU. And, in order to join the EU, they'll need to do a couple little things.[/INDENT] [INDENT][/INDENT] [INDENT]Like having a [B]working democracy[/B] with [B]open, free and fair elections[/B] monitored by international observers. [/INDENT] [INDENT]Along with [B]conforming to EU political, security and economic aims [/B]set by the Council, Commission and Parliament. [/INDENT] [INDENT]They'd also have to [B]meet basic human rights standards [/B]as laid down by the European Court of Justice and European Court of Human Rights, along with [B]adopting EU rules and regulations[/B]. [/INDENT] [INDENT]They'd need a [B]government that works to the rule of law [/B]- which means they'd not only need to [B]end fighting in Ukraine[/B], but they'd need to [B]give back Crimea and [/B]the [B]parts of Georgia[/B] it has occupied, [B]as well as the parts of Moldova [/B]where it's in de factor control. [/INDENT] [INDENT]Their [B]economy would also have to be completely retooled to meet the stable market economy provisions[/B] and to [B]adopt the euro[/B]. [/INDENT] [INDENT][/INDENT] [INDENT][/INDENT] [INDENT]Russia COULD try to meet the Copenhagen Criteria for EU entry, but[B] the country's present leadership doesn't want ANY of that[/B]. It's up to Russia to meet the criteria for membership. It not up to the EU to circumvent its own rules for Russia's gratification.[/INDENT] [/QUOTE]
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