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New Propellantless Propulsion Drive - That Physics Says Shouldn’t Work - Just Produced Enough Thrust to Overcome Earth’s Gravity | The Debrief
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<blockquote data-quote="timewerx" data-source="post: 77669399" data-attributes="member: 314730"><p>I already did but setup is no longer with me. I threw it away, including the power supply.</p><p></p><p>It's really simple. The power supply is 30,000 volts with flyback transformer kit, 50 watts. Off memory, the device consists of two aluminum foil electrodes 30 mm apart (maybe more... if you get arcing, then it's too close). The electrodes are stuck on top of EPP foam 3 mm thick (you can get from RC aircraft hobby stores) Between the electrodes are copper wires that are isolated (not insulated) from each other and also stuck on top of the foam. The wires works as "electric field equalizer" and serves the same purpose as those rings in giant Van De Graaf or Pelleton Generators.</p><p></p><p>You can replicate yourself if you're actually serious about it. The setup is cheap and you can easily see/debunk for yourself if you're being deceived.</p><p></p><p>The thrust is weak and far from being strong enough to lift the whole thing with the flyback transformer and batteries or solar (if included).</p><p></p><p>The only way I know to dramatically increase the thrust (NOT guaranteed) is to raise the average electric field strength across the whole face of the electrode. Two ways to do this is put the thing inside a sealed, non-conducting container and fill it with inert gas at high pressure. The high vacuum of space might also do the trick.</p><p></p><p>Or, downscale the electrodes and the wire arrangement to microscopic scale using silicon doping prototyping, same tech used in microprocessor manufacturing. Proportionally stronger electric fields can be sustained without arcing if electrodes are closer even if you're using much smaller voltages.</p><p></p><p>I'm really not betting on this tech but it's a start. Better than 1:1 thrust-to-weight ratio "all in" that is with all equipment included plus battery or fuel MAYBE possible. But certainly not absolutely sure about it.</p><p></p><p>I still won't bet on it for deep space attempts. Having a deflector shield is just as important as the engine itself. Non-gravity based shielding would require impossible amounts of energy to protect against debris that will be moving at high relativistic speeds against your vehicle. The gravity drive would also provide gravity-based deflection of debris as addition effect of its normal operation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="timewerx, post: 77669399, member: 314730"] I already did but setup is no longer with me. I threw it away, including the power supply. It's really simple. The power supply is 30,000 volts with flyback transformer kit, 50 watts. Off memory, the device consists of two aluminum foil electrodes 30 mm apart (maybe more... if you get arcing, then it's too close). The electrodes are stuck on top of EPP foam 3 mm thick (you can get from RC aircraft hobby stores) Between the electrodes are copper wires that are isolated (not insulated) from each other and also stuck on top of the foam. The wires works as "electric field equalizer" and serves the same purpose as those rings in giant Van De Graaf or Pelleton Generators. You can replicate yourself if you're actually serious about it. The setup is cheap and you can easily see/debunk for yourself if you're being deceived. The thrust is weak and far from being strong enough to lift the whole thing with the flyback transformer and batteries or solar (if included). The only way I know to dramatically increase the thrust (NOT guaranteed) is to raise the average electric field strength across the whole face of the electrode. Two ways to do this is put the thing inside a sealed, non-conducting container and fill it with inert gas at high pressure. The high vacuum of space might also do the trick. Or, downscale the electrodes and the wire arrangement to microscopic scale using silicon doping prototyping, same tech used in microprocessor manufacturing. Proportionally stronger electric fields can be sustained without arcing if electrodes are closer even if you're using much smaller voltages. I'm really not betting on this tech but it's a start. Better than 1:1 thrust-to-weight ratio "all in" that is with all equipment included plus battery or fuel MAYBE possible. But certainly not absolutely sure about it. I still won't bet on it for deep space attempts. Having a deflector shield is just as important as the engine itself. Non-gravity based shielding would require impossible amounts of energy to protect against debris that will be moving at high relativistic speeds against your vehicle. The gravity drive would also provide gravity-based deflection of debris as addition effect of its normal operation. [/QUOTE]
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