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<blockquote data-quote="ViaCrucis" data-source="post: 77629476" data-attributes="member: 293637"><p>I agree with the premise that we all lie, even if it is in very minor ways. At my job, for example, because of the way I interact with the general public there will be people who stick around to chit-chat. I try to be polite and kind, and so even if I would like them to go away because I'm working, I will keep being polite, and feign interest in what they are telling me. I've no desire to discuss politics at work, for obvious reasons, but some people really want to--and so I listen without being rude. That is, at least technically, being dishonest on my part. But it is dishonesty for the sake of public decorum and courteousness. </p><p></p><p>I have also, of course, lied through being indirect. Say I am invited to something, but don't wish to go, rather than being direct and saying "I don't want to go", I'll say "I'm not sure about that". Other times I have been more direct in my lying, "Sorry, I already have plans". Though those "plans" are really just staying in on my Saturday and resting.</p><p></p><p>I've never been comfortable with straight up lying, it's a discomfort that I developed as a child, because I would frequently be accused of lying even when telling the truth, because adults worked on the premise of "kids lie". I would frequently get in trouble for things I never did, which yes did have a negative impact on my psyche. But a consequence is that my underlying fear of not being believed means that I have a tendency toward being overly honest, which unfortunately can also come across as deception--because "defensive honesty" looks a lot like deceit. This is something even in middle age I am trying work through.</p><p></p><p>At any rate, I tend to try to be honest. Though I do not like to be rude, and so polite dishonesty, something I suspect all of us do, does exist. </p><p></p><p>But simply fabricating something, whether in the offline world or online world, isn't something I'd be comfortable with. I know for a fact that I have unintentionally been wrong in many things, I've said things--offline and online--which weren't true, but at the time thought it was true. That's not lying, that's just being wrong. I've heard people refer to rabbits as rodents, well that's wrong, because rabbits aren't rodents--but they weren't lying, they were just wrong. That's a pretty big difference. </p><p></p><p>On forums such as this, where good faith debate frequently happens, I want to have an argument rooted in objective truth, so if I present information I want it to be as accurate as I am able to make it in the moment. There may be things I get wrong, because I have misunderstood a detail, or lack sufficient information on something; but the intent is to be accurate, to be truthful, and to present information that is, in fact, true. Because an argument based upon known falsehood--on deliberate lies--is no argument at all; it would be deeply offensive to conscience and reason. To be wrong means I can be corrected, but to lie just to make my "argument" look better means I have deeper problems, and that I am a bad faith actor. That would be deeply contrary to matters of faith and conscience to me, as a Christian; thought one doesn't need to be a Christian to recognize how such bad faith arguing is harmful; but as a Christian that kind of behavior would be quite obviously sin and is indicative of a need for not only perhaps emotional and psychological help, but [from a Christian POV] more importantly spiritual help, which is where confession, repentance, and good healthy spiritual counseling comes into play. </p><p></p><p>-CryptoLutheran</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ViaCrucis, post: 77629476, member: 293637"] I agree with the premise that we all lie, even if it is in very minor ways. At my job, for example, because of the way I interact with the general public there will be people who stick around to chit-chat. I try to be polite and kind, and so even if I would like them to go away because I'm working, I will keep being polite, and feign interest in what they are telling me. I've no desire to discuss politics at work, for obvious reasons, but some people really want to--and so I listen without being rude. That is, at least technically, being dishonest on my part. But it is dishonesty for the sake of public decorum and courteousness. I have also, of course, lied through being indirect. Say I am invited to something, but don't wish to go, rather than being direct and saying "I don't want to go", I'll say "I'm not sure about that". Other times I have been more direct in my lying, "Sorry, I already have plans". Though those "plans" are really just staying in on my Saturday and resting. I've never been comfortable with straight up lying, it's a discomfort that I developed as a child, because I would frequently be accused of lying even when telling the truth, because adults worked on the premise of "kids lie". I would frequently get in trouble for things I never did, which yes did have a negative impact on my psyche. But a consequence is that my underlying fear of not being believed means that I have a tendency toward being overly honest, which unfortunately can also come across as deception--because "defensive honesty" looks a lot like deceit. This is something even in middle age I am trying work through. At any rate, I tend to try to be honest. Though I do not like to be rude, and so polite dishonesty, something I suspect all of us do, does exist. But simply fabricating something, whether in the offline world or online world, isn't something I'd be comfortable with. I know for a fact that I have unintentionally been wrong in many things, I've said things--offline and online--which weren't true, but at the time thought it was true. That's not lying, that's just being wrong. I've heard people refer to rabbits as rodents, well that's wrong, because rabbits aren't rodents--but they weren't lying, they were just wrong. That's a pretty big difference. On forums such as this, where good faith debate frequently happens, I want to have an argument rooted in objective truth, so if I present information I want it to be as accurate as I am able to make it in the moment. There may be things I get wrong, because I have misunderstood a detail, or lack sufficient information on something; but the intent is to be accurate, to be truthful, and to present information that is, in fact, true. Because an argument based upon known falsehood--on deliberate lies--is no argument at all; it would be deeply offensive to conscience and reason. To be wrong means I can be corrected, but to lie just to make my "argument" look better means I have deeper problems, and that I am a bad faith actor. That would be deeply contrary to matters of faith and conscience to me, as a Christian; thought one doesn't need to be a Christian to recognize how such bad faith arguing is harmful; but as a Christian that kind of behavior would be quite obviously sin and is indicative of a need for not only perhaps emotional and psychological help, but [from a Christian POV] more importantly spiritual help, which is where confession, repentance, and good healthy spiritual counseling comes into play. -CryptoLutheran [/QUOTE]
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