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Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health
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<blockquote data-quote="Paidiske" data-source="post: 77659334" data-attributes="member: 386627"><p>But abuse is about more than violence. It is about control of one person by another. And that's where the hierarchies, rigid roles, and so on, come into it. The violence is used to enforce the control. </p><p></p><p>This is a key aspect of what drives abuse that is really important to understand, and denying or dismissing it is very dangerous. </p><p></p><p>But not <em>acceptance</em> of violence. A person who believes violence is acceptable might be more violent if they also have low frustration tolerance. But a person with low frustration tolerance who does not believe violence is acceptable behaviour, will not manage their frustration by being violent. </p><p></p><p>I don't see these as equivalent terms. Unrealistic expectations don't really have anything to do with awfulising or self downing. </p><p></p><p>I am saying it clearly does not. The PRIBS Is measuring irrational beliefs; it is not measuring the beliefs and attitudes which underpin abuse. </p><p></p><p>To my mind, it's like someone pointing at something which is designed to measure neutrons, and insisting that it measures electrons, when it clearly is designed to measure something else. </p><p></p><p>Your argument all along has been that people have to be subject to high "risk factors," significant distress, emotional overwhelm and cognitive distortion, in order to behave abusively. Not that abuse can be, and often is, behaviour of people who are not, in fact, in that situation at all. </p><p></p><p>No, I really am not. </p><p></p><p>In which case, basically your entire argument about clinically irrational thinking, distress, cognitive distortion, and all of that, is shown to be completely off beam. Many abusers are simply not in that category at all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Paidiske, post: 77659334, member: 386627"] But abuse is about more than violence. It is about control of one person by another. And that's where the hierarchies, rigid roles, and so on, come into it. The violence is used to enforce the control. This is a key aspect of what drives abuse that is really important to understand, and denying or dismissing it is very dangerous. But not [I]acceptance[/I] of violence. A person who believes violence is acceptable might be more violent if they also have low frustration tolerance. But a person with low frustration tolerance who does not believe violence is acceptable behaviour, will not manage their frustration by being violent. I don't see these as equivalent terms. Unrealistic expectations don't really have anything to do with awfulising or self downing. I am saying it clearly does not. The PRIBS Is measuring irrational beliefs; it is not measuring the beliefs and attitudes which underpin abuse. To my mind, it's like someone pointing at something which is designed to measure neutrons, and insisting that it measures electrons, when it clearly is designed to measure something else. Your argument all along has been that people have to be subject to high "risk factors," significant distress, emotional overwhelm and cognitive distortion, in order to behave abusively. Not that abuse can be, and often is, behaviour of people who are not, in fact, in that situation at all. No, I really am not. In which case, basically your entire argument about clinically irrational thinking, distress, cognitive distortion, and all of that, is shown to be completely off beam. Many abusers are simply not in that category at all. [/QUOTE]
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