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Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health
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<blockquote data-quote="Paidiske" data-source="post: 77659325" data-attributes="member: 386627"><p>None of this changes the fact that our beliefs are not dependent on our emotional state. </p><p></p><p>Well, first of all, the labels "positive" and "negative" here are just subjective value judgements. And secondly, of course people can have different psychological states but hold basically the same beliefs. Heck, one person's psychological state can vary significantly over time while their basic beliefs remain stable. </p><p></p><p>Well, that is not an argument being put forward in this thread, so how about we ignore it.</p><p></p><p>Well, no, they need all three. They might accept violence, but not have any belief that they have a right to control another person, so they won't use violence in that situation. Or they might accept violence, but have no belief in rigid roles and thus see no need to enforce them. It's the three together which underpin abuse. </p><p></p><p>No, that's not true. The rigid roles, hierarchy and control, and so on, can be deeply damaging and harmful even if violence is not involved. Many of us do not buy into an ideology of hierarchy, control and rigid roles.</p><p></p><p>No, seeing one's parental role primarily in terms of control, and seeing one's parental role primarily in other terms, are not the same basic belief. </p><p></p><p>No, the abusing parent will also typically want to exercise a far higher degree of control than many people will see as necessary. Controlling where others would be quite content to let a child make choices.</p><p></p><p>No, I'm sorry, our beliefs are not based on our mental states. This is clearly demonstrable from the way our mental states can change significantly even over the course of a day, but our beliefs are much more stable. </p><p></p><p>You did. You asked me a question instead of responding to the request for a source. I am not interested in the question, so I am just noting that you did not respond to the request for a source. </p><p></p><p>Not really. All sorts of people tolerate, accept, and promote, relationships of power, control, and dominance. I've seen you doing some of that in this very thread. </p><p></p><p>And you expect me to take anything you say after that seriously?</p><p></p><p>The point is, you cannot look at a list of someone's risk factors and protective factors, and tell me accurately what they believe, from that information alone. There is no direct, clear, causal relationship, and there are far too many other variables and influences in play. </p><p></p><p>As if people don't actually choose their behaviour. </p><p></p><p>Unrealistic expectations are not only or always or even mainly due to cognitive distortion. People hold unrealistic expectations all the time. It's just part of being human. </p><p></p><p>Yes, that's why it's called a social norm. It has become normalised within our society and culture. That doesn't mean it's not harmful. </p><p></p><p>Of course there's evidence. I've linked some of it before. Here is a good example: <a href="https://www.unicef.org/georgia/media/1191/file/Social%20Norms%20Analysis.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.unicef.org/georgia/media/1191/file/Social Norms Analysis.pdf</a></p><p></p><p>I disagree. Anything which promotes the control of one person by another is promoting something which is inherently abusive. </p><p></p><p>If that were true, why are so many primary prevention strategies tackling the other beliefs as well? The evidence is that those beliefs, in hierarchy, power and control, and rigid roles, are just as important, because they provide the justification for violence.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Paidiske, post: 77659325, member: 386627"] None of this changes the fact that our beliefs are not dependent on our emotional state. Well, first of all, the labels "positive" and "negative" here are just subjective value judgements. And secondly, of course people can have different psychological states but hold basically the same beliefs. Heck, one person's psychological state can vary significantly over time while their basic beliefs remain stable. Well, that is not an argument being put forward in this thread, so how about we ignore it. Well, no, they need all three. They might accept violence, but not have any belief that they have a right to control another person, so they won't use violence in that situation. Or they might accept violence, but have no belief in rigid roles and thus see no need to enforce them. It's the three together which underpin abuse. No, that's not true. The rigid roles, hierarchy and control, and so on, can be deeply damaging and harmful even if violence is not involved. Many of us do not buy into an ideology of hierarchy, control and rigid roles. No, seeing one's parental role primarily in terms of control, and seeing one's parental role primarily in other terms, are not the same basic belief. No, the abusing parent will also typically want to exercise a far higher degree of control than many people will see as necessary. Controlling where others would be quite content to let a child make choices. No, I'm sorry, our beliefs are not based on our mental states. This is clearly demonstrable from the way our mental states can change significantly even over the course of a day, but our beliefs are much more stable. You did. You asked me a question instead of responding to the request for a source. I am not interested in the question, so I am just noting that you did not respond to the request for a source. Not really. All sorts of people tolerate, accept, and promote, relationships of power, control, and dominance. I've seen you doing some of that in this very thread. And you expect me to take anything you say after that seriously? The point is, you cannot look at a list of someone's risk factors and protective factors, and tell me accurately what they believe, from that information alone. There is no direct, clear, causal relationship, and there are far too many other variables and influences in play. As if people don't actually choose their behaviour. Unrealistic expectations are not only or always or even mainly due to cognitive distortion. People hold unrealistic expectations all the time. It's just part of being human. Yes, that's why it's called a social norm. It has become normalised within our society and culture. That doesn't mean it's not harmful. Of course there's evidence. I've linked some of it before. Here is a good example: [URL]https://www.unicef.org/georgia/media/1191/file/Social%20Norms%20Analysis.pdf[/URL] I disagree. Anything which promotes the control of one person by another is promoting something which is inherently abusive. If that were true, why are so many primary prevention strategies tackling the other beliefs as well? The evidence is that those beliefs, in hierarchy, power and control, and rigid roles, are just as important, because they provide the justification for violence. [/QUOTE]
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