Log in
Register
Search
Search titles only
By:
Search titles only
By:
Forums
New posts
Forum list
Search forums
Leaderboards
Games
Our Blog
Blogs
New entries
New comments
Blog list
Search blogs
Credits
Transactions
Shop
Blessings: ✟0.00
Tickets
Open new ticket
Watched
Donate
Log in
Register
Search
Search titles only
By:
Search titles only
By:
More options
Toggle width
Share this page
Share this page
Share
Reddit
Pinterest
Tumblr
WhatsApp
Email
Share
Link
Menu
Install the app
Install
Forums
Discussion and Debate
Discussion and Debate
Ethics & Morality
Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="stevevw" data-source="post: 77655661" data-attributes="member: 342064"><p>I think you will find as part of measuring those specific beliefs there will be data on the mindset and psyche that goes with those irrational beliefs and how it differs from non abusers. It stands to reason that the abusers thinking and psyche ois going to be different to non abusers. Just like the mind of a criminal is different to the mind of a non criminal or an addictive personality. </p><p></p><p>I think we can and the evidence supports this whether its about abuse, substance abuse, DV, anti social behaviour or violence in general. The ideations are different, the worldview is different, warped and unreal as to what is really going on. Otherwise they would not abuse and realise thats its destructive. Humans don't believe in destruction and if they do then theres some underlying issues. </p><p></p><p>Well of course. Otherwise you accuse someone with the same belief who is not abusive in holding abusive beliefs. Oh wait a minute that already happens when someone declares a women is a biological female. Thats regarded as abusive because the right sort of belief we should have is that humans can magically change sex and that somehow subjective identity is now objective reality. </p><p></p><p>Talk about promoting unreal beliefs in the name of preventing abuse. That actually creates abuse and violence by dividing people into warring groups based on subjective beliefs about how we should order society into some DEI Woke Utopia. </p><p></p><p>I empahsize this to make the point how subjective belief cannot determine what subjective beliefs are abusive because it is actually happening right now. The only way as a society we have been able to claw some of this ideology back is through the science and factual data exposingf the ideology. Thus we are begining to see the ideology takjen out of health and education policy and practices. </p><p></p><p>But if you believe that all differences are socially constructed and there is no natural differences then thats a classical social constructivist. Social constructions has become popular because it feeds into the Post Modernist and Woke idea that everything including humans, nature and god are social constructions which can be reconstructed in human image. </p><p></p><p>That language is the new reality which can be recronstructed and given new meaning to reality.. Reality is subjective and self referential. </p><p></p><p>The evidence shows we do, We are born believers in supernaturalism and morality. We can sense empathy as new borns and have a moral sense about justice, kindness and fairness as infants. </p><p></p><p>This is expressed in the various cultural beliefs but they all have the same core beliefs about morality, a creative supernatural agent, the soul and afterlife. From this come all expressions of belief whether in Woke, God, paganism or other new age ideas. </p><p></p><p>We also have innate evolutionary instincts like mating, bonding, coperating, as well as natural differences in sex which have an influence. We also have natural processes and behaviours that have come from our experience in how to survive. Theese are not completely socially constructed but rather are based in natural evolutionary developments and the way humans need to live together. </p><p></p><p>Tell me where this place is, I want to live there. Is it like a commune lol. I nearly fell for one of those which offer I think 30k for 10 acreas I think for 30 people with access to 1600 acreas with a river flowing through it. Too good to be true. </p><p></p><p>Collective societies still have the natural sense that taking stuff that is wrong. They may share their stuff but if another tribe comes and takes and destroys their stuff they are still effected. They don't completely lose the natural instict that working hard for something has a certain value, cost that should not be disrepected by others in treating it like its theirs or nothing. </p><p></p><p>Not everything and not the fundemental natural influences which are needed to be a society. We did not socially contruct the idea that stealing or murder or rape is wrong. We discovered that trying to exist using rape and pilage didn't get us far and actually threatened our existence. We had no choice if we wanted to live together. </p><p></p><p>So it wasn't a socially determined idea it was reality coming to bite us and if we didn't respect those natural orders we would not exist or at least exist in chaos and we as a species are continually looking for stability. All species are instinctually. This goes formuch of our behaviour. The cultural influences are only refinements of these deeper natural forces. </p><p></p><p>Thats rediculous to say that the British Monarchy has sway over us or even Britain itself. The Monarchy is just a symbol preversed of its former self. Australia is government by its own politics and we at least try to have the best and most qualified in government. Though lately its all about Woke and not merit or qualification.</p><p></p><p>But we use to have the best treasurers or advice from the best financial advisors, the reserve bank ect. We have called for more polititians to come from business who know what they are doing. The most successful companies have the best heads which is proven in their success and we wish that for our governence. </p><p></p><p>Or we may want more socially minded people who have the experience and knowledge about helping society. We have continually sought inquiries, reports, scientific data to inform us. Sure it can often be a waste of time or we don't aways act on the findings. But we certainly believe that we want the best people and information to guide us. </p><p></p><p>If people want a plumber or mechanic they want someone who knows what their doing and who has good service. We don't want an incompetent doctor for our health. So the competent and talented rise to the top because they are in demand and for good reason. Because they can actually make things better, fix stuff, get the job done more efficently ect. </p><p></p><p>But anything could be a structure of control, even two people in a relationship on a deserted island. That makes life itself structures of control and inherently part of the abuse. </p><p></p><p>I suggest its the other way around the structures are just that structures. They exist as natural structures like triangles and ladders. Putting someone at the base of the ladder who is being abused by someone at the top doesn't make the ladder structure abusive. </p><p></p><p>Ladder structure are also good. they allow people to get to the top, they help save people and build stuff. lol. Just like all structures, they are nothing without an living and breathing conscious being who can think of using such a inanimant object for abuse.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevevw, post: 77655661, member: 342064"] I think you will find as part of measuring those specific beliefs there will be data on the mindset and psyche that goes with those irrational beliefs and how it differs from non abusers. It stands to reason that the abusers thinking and psyche ois going to be different to non abusers. Just like the mind of a criminal is different to the mind of a non criminal or an addictive personality. I think we can and the evidence supports this whether its about abuse, substance abuse, DV, anti social behaviour or violence in general. The ideations are different, the worldview is different, warped and unreal as to what is really going on. Otherwise they would not abuse and realise thats its destructive. Humans don't believe in destruction and if they do then theres some underlying issues. Well of course. Otherwise you accuse someone with the same belief who is not abusive in holding abusive beliefs. Oh wait a minute that already happens when someone declares a women is a biological female. Thats regarded as abusive because the right sort of belief we should have is that humans can magically change sex and that somehow subjective identity is now objective reality. Talk about promoting unreal beliefs in the name of preventing abuse. That actually creates abuse and violence by dividing people into warring groups based on subjective beliefs about how we should order society into some DEI Woke Utopia. I empahsize this to make the point how subjective belief cannot determine what subjective beliefs are abusive because it is actually happening right now. The only way as a society we have been able to claw some of this ideology back is through the science and factual data exposingf the ideology. Thus we are begining to see the ideology takjen out of health and education policy and practices. But if you believe that all differences are socially constructed and there is no natural differences then thats a classical social constructivist. Social constructions has become popular because it feeds into the Post Modernist and Woke idea that everything including humans, nature and god are social constructions which can be reconstructed in human image. That language is the new reality which can be recronstructed and given new meaning to reality.. Reality is subjective and self referential. The evidence shows we do, We are born believers in supernaturalism and morality. We can sense empathy as new borns and have a moral sense about justice, kindness and fairness as infants. This is expressed in the various cultural beliefs but they all have the same core beliefs about morality, a creative supernatural agent, the soul and afterlife. From this come all expressions of belief whether in Woke, God, paganism or other new age ideas. We also have innate evolutionary instincts like mating, bonding, coperating, as well as natural differences in sex which have an influence. We also have natural processes and behaviours that have come from our experience in how to survive. Theese are not completely socially constructed but rather are based in natural evolutionary developments and the way humans need to live together. Tell me where this place is, I want to live there. Is it like a commune lol. I nearly fell for one of those which offer I think 30k for 10 acreas I think for 30 people with access to 1600 acreas with a river flowing through it. Too good to be true. Collective societies still have the natural sense that taking stuff that is wrong. They may share their stuff but if another tribe comes and takes and destroys their stuff they are still effected. They don't completely lose the natural instict that working hard for something has a certain value, cost that should not be disrepected by others in treating it like its theirs or nothing. Not everything and not the fundemental natural influences which are needed to be a society. We did not socially contruct the idea that stealing or murder or rape is wrong. We discovered that trying to exist using rape and pilage didn't get us far and actually threatened our existence. We had no choice if we wanted to live together. So it wasn't a socially determined idea it was reality coming to bite us and if we didn't respect those natural orders we would not exist or at least exist in chaos and we as a species are continually looking for stability. All species are instinctually. This goes formuch of our behaviour. The cultural influences are only refinements of these deeper natural forces. Thats rediculous to say that the British Monarchy has sway over us or even Britain itself. The Monarchy is just a symbol preversed of its former self. Australia is government by its own politics and we at least try to have the best and most qualified in government. Though lately its all about Woke and not merit or qualification. But we use to have the best treasurers or advice from the best financial advisors, the reserve bank ect. We have called for more polititians to come from business who know what they are doing. The most successful companies have the best heads which is proven in their success and we wish that for our governence. Or we may want more socially minded people who have the experience and knowledge about helping society. We have continually sought inquiries, reports, scientific data to inform us. Sure it can often be a waste of time or we don't aways act on the findings. But we certainly believe that we want the best people and information to guide us. If people want a plumber or mechanic they want someone who knows what their doing and who has good service. We don't want an incompetent doctor for our health. So the competent and talented rise to the top because they are in demand and for good reason. Because they can actually make things better, fix stuff, get the job done more efficently ect. But anything could be a structure of control, even two people in a relationship on a deserted island. That makes life itself structures of control and inherently part of the abuse. I suggest its the other way around the structures are just that structures. They exist as natural structures like triangles and ladders. Putting someone at the base of the ladder who is being abused by someone at the top doesn't make the ladder structure abusive. Ladder structure are also good. they allow people to get to the top, they help save people and build stuff. lol. Just like all structures, they are nothing without an living and breathing conscious being who can think of using such a inanimant object for abuse. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Forums
Discussion and Debate
Discussion and Debate
Ethics & Morality
Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health
Top
Bottom