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Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health
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<blockquote data-quote="stevevw" data-source="post: 77653018" data-attributes="member: 342064"><p>I think its important to clarify that hierarchies themselves are not controlling or abusive and that it takes a human to make them abusive. Otherwise people get the wrong idea that because some may support a hierarchy and assumed to be abusive or natural hierarchies are made to be bad when they are not. </p><p></p><p>But not automatically problematic just because the roles are rigid or controlling. They are rigid and controlling for good reasons, to ensure better functioning according to the objectives. </p><p></p><p>Heres the problem I have with this ambigious idea of beliefsbeing the measure of what is regarded as abusive. You say rigid roles in the household are abusive.</p><p></p><p>As mentioned there is a trend towards TRad marriages where the wife is the homemaker and rearing the children and the husbands is out working to support the family. </p><p></p><p>Now according to Woke secular ideological beliefs this situation would be regarded as oppressive, denying the wife financial independence and freedom to persue her career. But to many Christians who are living Trad marraiges they are happier and believe this is a better setup for the children and everyone. </p><p></p><p>So whose belief is the right one. Just saying rigid roles or hierarchies are automatically abusive is wrong and unjustified and as you say is based on a value judgement and no value judgement should take precedent over another. </p><p></p><p>Your missing the point. We can only identify the beliefs by the risk factors and not the beliefs themselves. Because we don't know if the belief will lead to abuse until it actually does. But even when it does people still promote that belief because to them its not abusive but actually good and helps people. </p><p></p><p>Actually studying the beliefs and attitudes of perpetrators means studying their cognitions and psychological states. Belief doesn't happen in a vacume. It happens in the mind which is determined by experiences and the conditions for which people are subjected to. </p><p></p><p>So you identify a parent has a negative belief. How do we change the mindset so that they change their negative beliefs to positive ones. Its not like learningf your abc's lol. We have to understand the psyche of the parent, what makes them tick and why they have developed such a destructful belief. </p><p></p><p>So long as we don't mistake health and normal roles and hierarchies as abusive and controlling. But we have already done this. So I don't trust the current ideology within mainstream society, the State and its agents at present who are socially engineeringsociety to be more equal according to some unfounded ideology based on identity politics and Marxism.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevevw, post: 77653018, member: 342064"] I think its important to clarify that hierarchies themselves are not controlling or abusive and that it takes a human to make them abusive. Otherwise people get the wrong idea that because some may support a hierarchy and assumed to be abusive or natural hierarchies are made to be bad when they are not. But not automatically problematic just because the roles are rigid or controlling. They are rigid and controlling for good reasons, to ensure better functioning according to the objectives. Heres the problem I have with this ambigious idea of beliefsbeing the measure of what is regarded as abusive. You say rigid roles in the household are abusive. As mentioned there is a trend towards TRad marriages where the wife is the homemaker and rearing the children and the husbands is out working to support the family. Now according to Woke secular ideological beliefs this situation would be regarded as oppressive, denying the wife financial independence and freedom to persue her career. But to many Christians who are living Trad marraiges they are happier and believe this is a better setup for the children and everyone. So whose belief is the right one. Just saying rigid roles or hierarchies are automatically abusive is wrong and unjustified and as you say is based on a value judgement and no value judgement should take precedent over another. Your missing the point. We can only identify the beliefs by the risk factors and not the beliefs themselves. Because we don't know if the belief will lead to abuse until it actually does. But even when it does people still promote that belief because to them its not abusive but actually good and helps people. Actually studying the beliefs and attitudes of perpetrators means studying their cognitions and psychological states. Belief doesn't happen in a vacume. It happens in the mind which is determined by experiences and the conditions for which people are subjected to. So you identify a parent has a negative belief. How do we change the mindset so that they change their negative beliefs to positive ones. Its not like learningf your abc's lol. We have to understand the psyche of the parent, what makes them tick and why they have developed such a destructful belief. So long as we don't mistake health and normal roles and hierarchies as abusive and controlling. But we have already done this. So I don't trust the current ideology within mainstream society, the State and its agents at present who are socially engineeringsociety to be more equal according to some unfounded ideology based on identity politics and Marxism. [/QUOTE]
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