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Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health
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<blockquote data-quote="Paidiske" data-source="post: 77648830" data-attributes="member: 386627"><p>Not really. Your claims haven't been convincing up until now, I doubt repeating them will make them more so. </p><p></p><p>Think of the beliefs which underpin abuse like a three-legged stool; you need all three legs (acceptance of violence; hierarchy, power and control; rigid household roles) for the stool to be stable. But each social norm that strengthens any of those legs of the stool, contributes to a culture of abuse. </p><p></p><p>Having been involved in such programmes, I'd say it's much more about challenging beliefs and attitudes. </p><p></p><p>"LInked with" is not the same as "is the cause of." </p><p></p><p>Not at all. You claimed abuse was driven by irrational beliefs. I asked what was being measured as "irrational beliefs," we went through what scales like the PRIBS measured, and discovered that measures of irrational beliefs include a great deal that does not relate to the attitudes and beliefs which drive abuse, and only include some of those attitudes and beliefs which do drive abuse. </p><p></p><p>Yes, we did. I'm not going back through the thread to cite post numbers now, but we definitely did. </p><p></p><p>And of those, only demandingness relates in some degree to the attitudes and beliefs which drive abuse. And those four do not cover all of the attitudes and beliefs which drive abuse.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Paidiske, post: 77648830, member: 386627"] Not really. Your claims haven't been convincing up until now, I doubt repeating them will make them more so. Think of the beliefs which underpin abuse like a three-legged stool; you need all three legs (acceptance of violence; hierarchy, power and control; rigid household roles) for the stool to be stable. But each social norm that strengthens any of those legs of the stool, contributes to a culture of abuse. Having been involved in such programmes, I'd say it's much more about challenging beliefs and attitudes. "LInked with" is not the same as "is the cause of." Not at all. You claimed abuse was driven by irrational beliefs. I asked what was being measured as "irrational beliefs," we went through what scales like the PRIBS measured, and discovered that measures of irrational beliefs include a great deal that does not relate to the attitudes and beliefs which drive abuse, and only include some of those attitudes and beliefs which do drive abuse. Yes, we did. I'm not going back through the thread to cite post numbers now, but we definitely did. And of those, only demandingness relates in some degree to the attitudes and beliefs which drive abuse. And those four do not cover all of the attitudes and beliefs which drive abuse. [/QUOTE]
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