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God, Outcasts and Proof of Existence
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<blockquote data-quote="Mark Quayle" data-source="post: 77428946" data-attributes="member: 410020"><p>My answer was meant for someone who believed in God. Sorry. Didn't realize what forum it was; though, I think if it were possible for you to see that there has to be a cause, and rather obviously not quite the cause that the Church in general calls God, describing him as something somewhat less than omnipotent, though well-intended, you may get a glimmering of why I said what I did. If God is indeed first cause, then this, (life, the universe and everything), is all about him, and not about us. </p><p></p><p>As far as logic, I find no other alternative to existence tenable, and the notion of First Cause to be overwhelmingly satisfying to my mind. So far, I've found nothing that does not fit First Cause, and that, First Cause with Intent (a will).</p><p></p><p>But, probably my first firm realization, that went beyond mere logic, was when as just a kid, I thought I would tell everyone I did not believe in God for the sake of being able to do what I wanted without my conscience, (i.e., at the time, public (and particularly my parents') opinion), getting in the way, and then being surprised to find out that I was <u>unable</u> to deny that he existed. Serious! And not for fear of reprisal.</p><p></p><p>As far as horror, I mentioned that God is not quite what usually gets described. He is ferocious, he's not tame, and doesn't respect us in the way we think he should. C. S. Lewis did a good job of describing the threatening oily thick darkness (my words) that produces fear instead of ease of mind —I wish I could find the reference. This God is master over the angel of death, who must do his bidding. </p><p></p><p>I've been through things I can't describe, and that I wouldn't wish on anyone —but that I would not trade for anything, because of the change of worldview that I have found in helplessly 'throwing myself on God's mercy'.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mark Quayle, post: 77428946, member: 410020"] My answer was meant for someone who believed in God. Sorry. Didn't realize what forum it was; though, I think if it were possible for you to see that there has to be a cause, and rather obviously not quite the cause that the Church in general calls God, describing him as something somewhat less than omnipotent, though well-intended, you may get a glimmering of why I said what I did. If God is indeed first cause, then this, (life, the universe and everything), is all about him, and not about us. As far as logic, I find no other alternative to existence tenable, and the notion of First Cause to be overwhelmingly satisfying to my mind. So far, I've found nothing that does not fit First Cause, and that, First Cause with Intent (a will). But, probably my first firm realization, that went beyond mere logic, was when as just a kid, I thought I would tell everyone I did not believe in God for the sake of being able to do what I wanted without my conscience, (i.e., at the time, public (and particularly my parents') opinion), getting in the way, and then being surprised to find out that I was [U]unable[/U] to deny that he existed. Serious! And not for fear of reprisal. As far as horror, I mentioned that God is not quite what usually gets described. He is ferocious, he's not tame, and doesn't respect us in the way we think he should. C. S. Lewis did a good job of describing the threatening oily thick darkness (my words) that produces fear instead of ease of mind —I wish I could find the reference. This God is master over the angel of death, who must do his bidding. I've been through things I can't describe, and that I wouldn't wish on anyone —but that I would not trade for anything, because of the change of worldview that I have found in helplessly 'throwing myself on God's mercy'. [/QUOTE]
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