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<blockquote data-quote="Bradskii" data-source="post: 77661471" data-attributes="member: 412388"><p>If that quote is correct then I'm surprised that he's conflating determinism with predictability. They are entirely different concepts. A system can be chaotic - that is, entirely unpredictable, but will still be deterministic.</p><p></p><p>Think of the parable of the lost nail in the horseshoe. <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Want_of_a_Nail" target="_blank">For Want of a Nail - Wikipedia</a></p><p></p><p>For want of a nail the <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe" target="_blank">shoe</a> was lost.</p><p>For want of a shoe the horse was lost.</p><p>For want of a horse the rider was lost.</p><p>For want of a rider the message was lost.</p><p>For want of a message the battle was lost.</p><p>For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.</p><p>And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.</p><p></p><p>If the nail was found to be missing then it would literally be impossible to predict, just from that fact, that a kingdom would fall. But there is a series of events leading from one to the other that undoubtedly led to that result. So it determined the result.</p><p></p><p>You can work backwards to find out what determined an event. But only in the very simplest of examples can you work forwards to predict it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bradskii, post: 77661471, member: 412388"] If that quote is correct then I'm surprised that he's conflating determinism with predictability. They are entirely different concepts. A system can be chaotic - that is, entirely unpredictable, but will still be deterministic. Think of the parable of the lost nail in the horseshoe. [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Want_of_a_Nail']For Want of a Nail - Wikipedia[/URL] For want of a nail the [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe']shoe[/URL] was lost. For want of a shoe the horse was lost. For want of a horse the rider was lost. For want of a rider the message was lost. For want of a message the battle was lost. For want of a battle the kingdom was lost. And all for the want of a horseshoe nail. If the nail was found to be missing then it would literally be impossible to predict, just from that fact, that a kingdom would fall. But there is a series of events leading from one to the other that undoubtedly led to that result. So it determined the result. You can work backwards to find out what determined an event. But only in the very simplest of examples can you work forwards to predict it. [/QUOTE]
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