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<blockquote data-quote="Occams Barber" data-source="post: 77646516" data-attributes="member: 313365"><p>I've been mulling this one over for a while and I've come to a conclusion similar to yours but without the need for any form of determinism.</p><p></p><p>Basically:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The Universe is made up of matter/energy/forces whose actions and interactions are controlled by a range of known and unknown physical laws and rules</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Humans are a part of the Universe and, as such can only act in a way which is consistent with these physical laws</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Therefore, free will cannot exist</li> </ol><p>If humans had the ability to act in a way which is different to an outcome determined by physical laws then, by definition, physical laws cannot exist as laws - physics would be chaos.</p><p></p><p>It doesn't matter if the laws of physics are deterministic or random. The issue is accepting that humans do not have the power to interfere with these laws.</p><p></p><p>OB</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Occams Barber, post: 77646516, member: 313365"] I've been mulling this one over for a while and I've come to a conclusion similar to yours but without the need for any form of determinism. Basically: [LIST=1] [*]The Universe is made up of matter/energy/forces whose actions and interactions are controlled by a range of known and unknown physical laws and rules [*]Humans are a part of the Universe and, as such can only act in a way which is consistent with these physical laws [*]Therefore, free will cannot exist [/LIST] If humans had the ability to act in a way which is different to an outcome determined by physical laws then, by definition, physical laws cannot exist as laws - physics would be chaos. It doesn't matter if the laws of physics are deterministic or random. The issue is accepting that humans do not have the power to interfere with these laws. OB [/QUOTE]
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