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Could Vienna’s approach to affordable housing work in California?
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<blockquote data-quote="ThatRobGuy" data-source="post: 77671001" data-attributes="member: 123415"><p>Actually, Vienna is a lot more homogenous than cities in the US. From the looks of it, their main divide would be between Catholics and other types of Christians. racially and politically, they're pretty homogenous.</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://rfkhumanrights.org/voices-articles/black-in-austria[/URL]</p><p>(this author mentions that in the entire country of Austria, there's only 40,000 Black people)</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.indexmundi.com/austria/demographics_profile.html[/URL]</p><p>This link seems to mirror that author's assertion.</p><p></p><p>It'd be less of a leap to go from the current UK housing to the Vienna model than it would be to go from US to Vienna.</p><p>(As UK already has some components of it from my understanding, and the private sector apartments or "flats" as you Brits would say)</p><p></p><p>Plus smaller living spaces are already the norm in the UK from what I'm reading</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13235273/English-houses-cramped-New-York-apartments-Study-finds-people-England-floor-space-Germany-France-Japan-homes-older-expensive-too.html[/URL]</p><p></p><p>People in the US tend to value "space" a little more than Europeans.</p><p></p><p>The housing sector (in terms of apartments/rentals) is a bit of a mess in places, but oddly enough, it's in the places that tend of have more progressive policies.</p><p></p><p>I'll go back and see if I can find the articles I linked about a some months back, but the homelessness problem is actually worse in places that have implemented things like rent control... primarily because it disincentivizes new development...who's going to want to build and operate a block of apartments if the know they won't be able to increase their operating budgets?</p><p></p><p></p><p>We also can't discount the "coolness factor" that's replete in the US.</p><p></p><p>There's a certain amount of "coolness" associated with living in certain places, and people will spend double on their rent just to live there, and then complain about the rent prices (when there's apartments 12 miles away that are half the price)</p><p></p><p>It'd be kind of like saying</p><p>"The Cadillac is nicer, that's the one that will make me look cooler, and I need a car"</p><p>- Well, you have enough money for the Chevy Cruize, and it's using the same engine and transmission as the Caddy</p><p>"No, the Chevy's not cool, I want the cool one, and since cars are a necessity, the government should cap the price and subsidize it so that I can get the cool car for the same price"</p><p></p><p></p><p>So to bring it full circle, just like I was touching on before, while people make like the idea here on the surface, the devil's in the details, and they'd have to divorce themselves from the idea that they "have to" live in the "cool" part of town with all of the other "cool people". As with the true Vienna model, there's no guarantee they'll be living in the Arts and Theater district. They could very well end up in the flat that's over by the grocery stores and gas stations 5 miles away from the place they want to live, and with some people they have absolutely nothing in common with. As with the Vienna model, they specifically want people from different walks and backgrounds living together as they say that's what makes it work.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ThatRobGuy, post: 77671001, member: 123415"] Actually, Vienna is a lot more homogenous than cities in the US. From the looks of it, their main divide would be between Catholics and other types of Christians. racially and politically, they're pretty homogenous. [URL unfurl="true"]https://rfkhumanrights.org/voices-articles/black-in-austria[/URL] (this author mentions that in the entire country of Austria, there's only 40,000 Black people) [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.indexmundi.com/austria/demographics_profile.html[/URL] This link seems to mirror that author's assertion. It'd be less of a leap to go from the current UK housing to the Vienna model than it would be to go from US to Vienna. (As UK already has some components of it from my understanding, and the private sector apartments or "flats" as you Brits would say) Plus smaller living spaces are already the norm in the UK from what I'm reading [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13235273/English-houses-cramped-New-York-apartments-Study-finds-people-England-floor-space-Germany-France-Japan-homes-older-expensive-too.html[/URL] People in the US tend to value "space" a little more than Europeans. The housing sector (in terms of apartments/rentals) is a bit of a mess in places, but oddly enough, it's in the places that tend of have more progressive policies. I'll go back and see if I can find the articles I linked about a some months back, but the homelessness problem is actually worse in places that have implemented things like rent control... primarily because it disincentivizes new development...who's going to want to build and operate a block of apartments if the know they won't be able to increase their operating budgets? We also can't discount the "coolness factor" that's replete in the US. There's a certain amount of "coolness" associated with living in certain places, and people will spend double on their rent just to live there, and then complain about the rent prices (when there's apartments 12 miles away that are half the price) It'd be kind of like saying "The Cadillac is nicer, that's the one that will make me look cooler, and I need a car" - Well, you have enough money for the Chevy Cruize, and it's using the same engine and transmission as the Caddy "No, the Chevy's not cool, I want the cool one, and since cars are a necessity, the government should cap the price and subsidize it so that I can get the cool car for the same price" So to bring it full circle, just like I was touching on before, while people make like the idea here on the surface, the devil's in the details, and they'd have to divorce themselves from the idea that they "have to" live in the "cool" part of town with all of the other "cool people". As with the true Vienna model, there's no guarantee they'll be living in the Arts and Theater district. They could very well end up in the flat that's over by the grocery stores and gas stations 5 miles away from the place they want to live, and with some people they have absolutely nothing in common with. As with the Vienna model, they specifically want people from different walks and backgrounds living together as they say that's what makes it work. [/QUOTE]
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