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Climate threats = FIRES: Famine, Instability, Refugees, Extinctions, Super-storms
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<blockquote data-quote="eclipsenow" data-source="post: 77641756" data-attributes="member: 274355"><p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>And that whoever you think you need to address</strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>with your post isn't me. So plz desist.</strong></p><p></p><p>Nice - duck and run!</p><p>Also - I didn't request we end a 'debate' - that was another commenter.</p><p>Also - it's not a debate to just stick your nose in and shout 'meatheads'. </p><p>It's just insulting - but sadly reveals how <em>uninformed </em>you are about this subject.</p><p></p><p>Here is what I propose. Don't call AGW activists 'meatheads' because we might sometimes discuss some very real science that makes you uncomfortable. Do you even remember the Pentagon's term for climate change? They call it a <em>"Threat multiplier"</em>. EG: Crop failures or water shortages to lead to local conflicts that escalate out of hand. To this.</p><p></p><p>Here you are Estrid - your 'meatheads'.</p><p></p><p></p><h3><p style="margin-left: 20px">Opinion: How fear of nuclear winter has helped save the world, so far</p> </h3> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Alan Robock, Lili Xia, Cheryl S. Harrison, Joshua Coupe, Owen B. Toon, and Charles G. Bardeen</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Abstract</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">The direct effects of nuclear war would be horrific, with blasts, fires, and radiation killing and injuring many people. But in 1983, United States and Soviet Union scientists showed that a nuclear war could also produce a nuclear winter, with catastrophic consequences for global food supplies for people far removed from the conflict. Smoke from fires ignited by nuclear weapons exploded on cities and industrial targets would block out sunlight, causing dark, cold, and dry surface conditions, producing a nuclear winter, with surface temperatures below freezing even in summer for years. Nuclear winter theory helped to end the nuclear arms race in the 1980s and helped to produce the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons in 2017, for which the International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons received the 2017 Nobel Peace Prize. Because awareness of nuclear winter is now widespread, nuclear nations have so far not used nuclear weapons. But the mere existence of nuclear weapons means that they can be used, by unstable leaders, accidently from technical malfunctions, such as in computers and sensors, due to human error, or by terrorists. Because they cannot be used without the danger of escalation (resulting in a global humanitarian catastrophe), because of recent threats to use them by Russia, and because nuclear deterrence doctrines of all nuclear-armed states are based on the capability and readiness to use nuclear weapons, it is even more urgent for scientists to study these issues, to broadly communicate their results, and to work for the elimination of nuclear weapons.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">How to cite.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Robock, A., Xia, L., Harrison, C. S., Coupe, J., Toon, O. B., and Bardeen, C. G.: Opinion: How fear of nuclear winter has helped save the world, so far, Atmos. Chem. Phys., 23, 6691–6701, <a href="https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-23-6691-2023" target="_blank">Opinion: How fear of nuclear winter has helped save the world, so far</a>, 2023.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Received: 22 Dec 2022 – Discussion started: 10 Jan 2023 – Revised: 08 Mar 2023 – Accepted: 11 May 2023 – Published: 19 Jun 2023</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Dedication</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">This article is dedicated to Paul Crutzen (1933–2021). Along with John Birks, he pointed out that nuclear war would produce massive smoke clouds, which led directly to nuclear winter theory.</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://acp.copernicus.org/articles/23/6691/2023/[/URL]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="eclipsenow, post: 77641756, member: 274355"] [INDENT][B]And that whoever you think you need to address[/B][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]with your post isn't me. So plz desist.[/B][/INDENT] Nice - duck and run! Also - I didn't request we end a 'debate' - that was another commenter. Also - it's not a debate to just stick your nose in and shout 'meatheads'. It's just insulting - but sadly reveals how [I]uninformed [/I]you are about this subject. Here is what I propose. Don't call AGW activists 'meatheads' because we might sometimes discuss some very real science that makes you uncomfortable. Do you even remember the Pentagon's term for climate change? They call it a [I]"Threat multiplier"[/I]. EG: Crop failures or water shortages to lead to local conflicts that escalate out of hand. To this. Here you are Estrid - your 'meatheads'. [HEADING=2][INDENT]Opinion: How fear of nuclear winter has helped save the world, so far[/INDENT][/HEADING] [INDENT][/INDENT] [INDENT]Alan Robock, Lili Xia, Cheryl S. Harrison, Joshua Coupe, Owen B. Toon, and Charles G. Bardeen[/INDENT] [INDENT]Abstract[/INDENT] [INDENT]The direct effects of nuclear war would be horrific, with blasts, fires, and radiation killing and injuring many people. But in 1983, United States and Soviet Union scientists showed that a nuclear war could also produce a nuclear winter, with catastrophic consequences for global food supplies for people far removed from the conflict. Smoke from fires ignited by nuclear weapons exploded on cities and industrial targets would block out sunlight, causing dark, cold, and dry surface conditions, producing a nuclear winter, with surface temperatures below freezing even in summer for years. Nuclear winter theory helped to end the nuclear arms race in the 1980s and helped to produce the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons in 2017, for which the International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons received the 2017 Nobel Peace Prize. Because awareness of nuclear winter is now widespread, nuclear nations have so far not used nuclear weapons. But the mere existence of nuclear weapons means that they can be used, by unstable leaders, accidently from technical malfunctions, such as in computers and sensors, due to human error, or by terrorists. Because they cannot be used without the danger of escalation (resulting in a global humanitarian catastrophe), because of recent threats to use them by Russia, and because nuclear deterrence doctrines of all nuclear-armed states are based on the capability and readiness to use nuclear weapons, it is even more urgent for scientists to study these issues, to broadly communicate their results, and to work for the elimination of nuclear weapons.[/INDENT] [INDENT]How to cite.[/INDENT] [INDENT][/INDENT] [INDENT]Robock, A., Xia, L., Harrison, C. S., Coupe, J., Toon, O. B., and Bardeen, C. G.: Opinion: How fear of nuclear winter has helped save the world, so far, Atmos. Chem. Phys., 23, 6691–6701, [URL='https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-23-6691-2023']Opinion: How fear of nuclear winter has helped save the world, so far[/URL], 2023.[/INDENT] [INDENT][/INDENT] [INDENT]Received: 22 Dec 2022 – Discussion started: 10 Jan 2023 – Revised: 08 Mar 2023 – Accepted: 11 May 2023 – Published: 19 Jun 2023[/INDENT] [INDENT]Dedication[/INDENT] [INDENT]This article is dedicated to Paul Crutzen (1933–2021). Along with John Birks, he pointed out that nuclear war would produce massive smoke clouds, which led directly to nuclear winter theory.[/INDENT] [URL unfurl="true"]https://acp.copernicus.org/articles/23/6691/2023/[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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