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Do you believe it is impossible for people to build a system which acts in ways that have a disproportionate racial effect?

Just like participants in straight beauty pageants. How dare they!

I don't have to believe that they are what they think in order to support them against what appears to be prejudice Most of my time here has been asking questions trying to find out what the prejudice is based on. I don't even have to support them to ask those questions because it has become a...

Do I support them going into "women's spaces?" Or do I just not care, seeing that it is not my job to prevent them, or even have an opinion about what "women's spaces" actually are. I also don't care (speaking of adults only) whether they have transformative surgery or not. It's none of my...

Yeah, they were having a good time too. It's a shame you weren't there to explain to them how miserable they really were.

The fact that you think that those are "anti-Christian" laws reveals your real position quite clearly. Christians (Fundamentalist Evangelical Protestants, that is) constitute, last I looked, about 25% of the electorate and represent a solid and unified voting bloc, which is an extremely...

I have never expressed the opinion, in this forum or anywhere else, that trans women are actually biological women. I have never expressed that opinion because I do not hold it. And just by seeing them, you knew at once by some magic ESP what it was they wanted you to believe. That they are...

Pretty much. At festival time trans women stage their own beauty pageant, the usual thing of ball gowns, bathing suits and talent shows. You take a look at those contestants and before long what their genitals are somehow doesn't seem so important. Best drag show I ever saw.

How long did you live in Samoa? How many of fa'afafine did you meet and talk to? We were never there in that imaginary situation of yours. They don't have to think, they ask the person.

OK Except that Mohammed wasn't from Persia, didn't live in Persia and as far as I know never even visited Persia, If he was influenced by Nestorians, it was the Nestorians who lived in Saudi Arabia, not the ones in Persia. No, Nestorianism was declared heretical by the Western Church only...

Ironic

I don't believe that and I don't have to, because I really don't care if he goes into "women's spaces" or not. No, I think you made it up. You don't know any more about what he wants you to believe than you know what I believe.

Too bad we can't do that here. Then you wouldn't have to worry so much about pronouns. They don't have to. They have their own categories. All cultures have typical gender roles. It's how the non-conforming are handled that is critical. Because of the pressure put on by the right. Didn't...

Well, you are right. We have gone off on a tangent about why being required to use preferred pronouns in the workplace is so burdensome. That is what the Samoa example relates to.

That's no fun, because too many people here agree that the kids have been handled badly by both sides.

And?

I think I don't understand them very much at all. But I lived and worked in Samoa for several years where four accepted genders are in play and interacted with them and observed how they functioned in the workplace and casual social situations.

How many have you experienced? I didn't know you had become a liberal :D But you are talking about gender expressed as behaviors, not the interior feelings which lead to those behaviors, A man who likes to cook and sew may be trans, or he may be just a man who like to cook and sew.

Why do you think they are so eager to enter women's spaces? How do you think your use of their preferred pronouns will help? Women enter men's spaces, too, even though they don't have my pronouns. Right, and if you can't come to a workable conclusion that way then it doesn't matter. The only...

Technically, it is impossible. Forming a corporation is not a right, it is a privilege granted by the state, so a certain amount of regulation is inherent. But it is a main plank in the Republican platform that corporations should be free of the constraints of environmental regulation as well...