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Yet still, the source of that creative power is not explained, at least by you! The scriptures, when left alone to speak, say the source is the father, regardless of the role the son/word was fulfilling at the point of reference to a particular verse. The bible at no point calls Jesus/the Word...

So close, but yet so far! If all things were created "through" him, then who was the source? Who was the source acting through Jesus? It seems reasonable to assert that force was none other than the Father as shown in 1Cor. 8:6.

Lol, since when did firstborn not imply first-created? My firstborn son was the first of my offspring that was created by my wife and I. And, Firstborn of what? Col. 1:15 says OF (not OVER, that's a translation unique to the NIV and maybe a few others) "all CREATION. Jesus here in Col. 1:15 is...

Wrong!

Okay! You believe that Satan will be confined in a literal pit with a literal key???

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God. This English translation makes the "Word" the Same as "the God" whom he is said to be with. Leading to the need to create another meaning for the term Theos. Other English words like "essence" and "being" are...

I ask a question a few pages back, maybe you missed it due to the Gish-galloping thing!?

So where's the "pit"?

Are you done yet?

May I ask... Were the ancient Israelites Trinitarians?

What do you mean?

Then I might point out that a debate section is a strange place to post them!

Hi, Was there anything specific you wanted to discuss from the above postings?

One thing Daniel and his warped sense of humour seems to overlook is that Satan is not a literal dragon, nor will he be confined in a literal pit with a literal key, nor will a woman be given literal wings to fly into the wilderness, nor will any literal seven headed wild beast do any but become...

Just testing I can post here!

[To other readers of this thread... This is an issue across multiple threads at the same time and is not limited to just this thread] The7thColporteur God's word was written to humble people and didn't need pages and pages of information to cover just one point. You are buried under a mountain...

Sorry mate, this lengthy response is in reply to just three short paragraphs. This is ridiculous... Gish Gallop, Goodbye

Hey Buddy, just wanted to say don't start a new thread just yet. I may be out of town for a few days and limited time available. I could do with a break from here for a few days anyway... Tried to pm this message by couldn't! Peace

The bible doesn't contain theology, it contains simple truths. Thanks for the apology, accepted. Ministry failed. It is truly my belief that hell is an invention of medieval men to scare the living daylights out of the masses. It's because of this doctrine that you cannot ever have the...

Well so be it, but I was just trying to point out that "departures" from simple statements like Colossians 1:15 require lengthy posts to explain.