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  1. keras

    Revelation 11 and Revelation 12

    Your reply is confusion, as it seems you think I meant the second period of 1260 days. Re-read #63, I said: after the treaty is signed.... the first half of the 7 years.
  2. keras

    Who are the 144,000

    You didn't prove where they are now., just your opinion. Your explanation fails to prove anything, as we know from Revelation 20:11-15, it is only after the Judgment, that anyone will receive immortality.
  3. keras

    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    FAIL None of those verses say the Lord will take people to live in heaven. 2 Cor 12:2 (ESV): And I know that this man was caught up into paradise.... That was just Paul; in the Spirit. He didn't stay there. Luke 23:43 (NIV): Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me...
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    Time frames that end on the day that Jesus Returns

    Why the KJV should be rejected and ignored, is obvious. Many books and articles show the errors and confusions caused by mis-translations and the archaic language. In the Interlinear transliteration of the original Hebrew of Daniel 8:14 says: evenings and part of days. You have been misled and...
  5. keras

    Revelation 11 and Revelation 12

    Your opinion, not the logical and correct understanding. The AoD will happen at 1260 days after the treaty is signed and after another 1260 days: Jesus will Return. Any other ideas, are just twisting and shuffling scripture. Not advisable.
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    Time frames that end on the day that Jesus Returns

    Just another reason for your errors and mistaken beliefs. To make the KJV inerrant was never the intention of those translators in 1600, they knew there were other manuscripts but not available to them, We have the modern advantage of far better and understandable Bibles. Why do you rate the...
  7. keras

    Revelation 11 and Revelation 12

    Because to do that is a contradiction of Daniel 9:27......with one half spent, he will put a stop to the Temple ordinances....... Has to be at day 1260, then after another 1260 days; the glorious Return of Jesus. I just can't see why you need to mess around with scripture like this. The extra...
  8. keras

    Time frames that end on the day that Jesus Returns

    Your beliefs don't fit what the Prophets say and your logic is wakadoodle. 2300 evenings and mornings........ One evening and one morning in a day, one day uses 1 evening and 1 morning, leaving 2298 to go. Total of 2300 evenings and mornings, equals 1150 days. Have you the moral fortitude to...
  9. keras

    Who are the 144,000

    Where are they? Where does any of those examples say they got 'glorified bodies'?
  10. keras

    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    The scriptures do that. A rapture removal to heaven of anyone, is just never stated in the Bible. Please post a verse that actually states people will go to live in heaven. Only a few people have visited heaven; just in a spiritual way. If you don't or can't, then you are guilty of false...
  11. keras

    Eight views on the RAPTURE and the Tribulation:

    But people who do actually read and study what the Bible says, reject the airy/fairy idea of a 'rapture to heaven' at anytime: Pre, mid or post. The only Prophecy that has any kind of spiritual rising up, is when Jesus Returns and those who have proved their faith and trusted in the Lord...
  12. keras

    Time frames that end on the day that Jesus Returns

    Just calling the 2300 evenings and mornings 'days', shows your error. It isn't hard to figure out that the 1150 actual days of Daniel 8:14, are Prophesying the time period from a desecration of the Temple to its restoration and re-dedication, is past history and exactly fits from when King...
  13. keras

    Eight views on the RAPTURE and the Tribulation:

    The Truth is in the Bible. The theory of a 'rapture to heaven', is never stated in the Bible. It is a false teaching and cannot happen. Nothing in your rant says people will be taken to live in heaven. That idea is a false teaching and contradicts how we are exhorted to endure until the end.
  14. keras

    Eight views on the RAPTURE and the Tribulation:

    I disagree with all those theories. For the simple reason that none of them have proper Biblical support. Sadly, people seem unable and incapable of understanding what the Lord actually does have planned for our future. The shocking proliferation of different beliefs, can only be because the...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    It is obvious from all of Rev 12, that they are already Christians. I agree that the GT martyrs will come from those described in Rev 12:17 and I agree that some may be new converts. Revelation 12 is a complete refutation of the rapture theory. The Christian peoples will be divided into two...
  16. keras

    Revelation 11 and Revelation 12

    But Jesus uses the term: born into the Kingdom.... Matthew 8:12, and their fate is the be; thrown out into the dark..... Of course, rapture believers like you don't like the truth of how the Jews will be punished and only a remnant will survive. It messes up their totally ridiculous idea of...
  17. keras

    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Jesus didn't go to heaven that day. 1 Peter 3:19 He only Ascended to heaven after 40 days. The repentant thief has the Promise of immortality, which will be conferred on all whose name is found in the Book of Life. AFTER the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15 Until then, he will 'sleep' in his...
  18. keras

    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Sure; those verses both refer to what will happen when Jesus Returns. NOT before and NOTHING to do with a rapture to heaven. That idea is a lie from the father of lies. You have to carefully select the definition of 'deliver', from the other meanings of that word. Thinking it means a rapture...
  19. keras

    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Why don't you just rewrite the Bible? Instead of re-interpreting it, like you have to do now. Note: that in the Lords Prayer, we say;;;;deliver us from evil.... Does that mean we are asking the Lord to take us away from evil, or to protect us from evil? Saying; ' We will not enter the...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    I have addressed 1 Thess 1:10. Deliver does not mean removal. As many other Prophesies say; the Lord will protect His people through the worldwide disaster of the Sixth Seal. Only with a biased interpretation, made to fit a preconceived theory; do rapture believers wrongly think that...