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No "hidden agenda" here. It is the obvious agenda of some to derail this away from my original intentions. I can use the words "obvious agenda" because so far, no one has attempted to deal with the meaning of those three verses in the OP. I will say this, my intention is to create a very...

You are attempting to establish something about a topic on which I have been silent. Therefore, you are merely guessing, projecting, and off topic. I AM NOT THE ISSUE. Scripture is the issue here. In advance, I thank you for your cooperation on this.

Since you believe that is "worth discussing" could you please create a new thread for it?

You are simply jumping to absurd, improbable conclusions that have no basis in ANYTHING I posted here.

There is no basis for that interpretation in anything I posted.

INDEED SO!!

The fact that all of us are sinners and thus have fallen short of the glory of God is important if we are able to establish what those three, now four verses that I quoted all mean in context I do not plan to ignore those types of verses, but to look at them separately, and have no foundation...

No, friend. Let's deal with the meaning of those 3 verses FIRST. Since this is the THIRD TIME I ask you to tell your understanding of three simple verses, indeed, you ARE playing games to avoid having a conversation based upon mutual understanding. Everyone reading this thread can see your...

I do not think that it is necessary to go that far back to find the antecedent of "you". Pronouns are most often very close to their antecedent. Look at the first part of chapter 3: There is the "you" in verse 1, which refers to believers. And in verses, 3 and 4, Peter mentions the scoffers...

I plan to deal with John 6:14 at a later point in this thread. Thanks for your input.

What do those verses say, awitch? That is EXACTLY the game I am not playing. In order to have a discussion on any positive level, it is necessary to establish a foundation. You seem to be avoiding the creation of a mutually understood foundation. I say that because you are "answering" my...

Deliberately, I started with those verses for a reason. Very nicely, I am requesting that you and other posters FIRST deal with their interpretation of those 3 verses before we go off on rabbit trails in the woods. That is not too much to ask, is it?

NOPE! Not playing that game. What do those verses say, awitch?

You will notice that I am simply asking "What does it say?" Nothing other than having reading comprehension is required.

FIRST we need to come to an understanding about what God said. To do otherwise would ultimately lead to a negative discussion of Christianity, which is not permitted by their rules, which I quoted in the OP.

In another thread here, some posters became upset at me about things they wrongly assumed about me and other Christians in general. That is gone. Therefore, I begin a new thread (having sought permission) I post this caveat as an official statement from the owners of this site: C&WR is...

Last week, our church sang that song. I rejoiced as he detailed the spiritual warfare behind that song. TYVM

If it is merely a psychological phenomenon, why do y'all practice it since your indication is that it is merely playing "mind games" having no effect in reality?

In the absence of better data, both of us are jumping to conclusions. To argue about something which we have no way to evaluate is foolishness. All we can do is take the poster at her word, and her impression of what was stated. In the end, neither of us are going to know the context, nor the...

Your snark is noted. Just for clarification for all to see, could you explain the things that happen there in your coven "worship", and explain the symbolism of the obelisk and the spell casting?