Determining False From True

CoreyD · May 16, 2024

"The Momrons teachings are fatal to the souls trapped/ tricked. Like all false teachers, the followers don't realize the danger they are in, nor the danger to their own little children , and others.

The false gospels are extremely widespread today, and have been always.

But people taught by a false gospel, believe false gospels are okay - live and let live so to speak.

Like letting carnivorous mammals feast on the flesh of one's own family and friends !!"

These are words someone said to me in another thread.
I think these words can be said of any, and all denominations under the umbrella of Christianity.
My question is, why, or on what valid basis are certain groups singled out to apply this strong criticism to, when the strong criticism can be applied to all denominations of the Christianity known today?

Clare73 · May 16, 2024

CoreyD said:
"The Momrons teachings are fatal to the souls trapped/ tricked. Like all false teachers, the followers don't realize the danger they are in, nor the danger to their own little children , and others.
The false gospels are extremely widespread today, and have been always.
But people taught by a false gospel, believe false gospels are okay - live and let live so to speak.
Like letting carnivorous mammals feast on the flesh of one's own family and friends !!"

These are words someone said to me in another thread.
I think these words can be said of any, and all denominations under the umbrella of Christianity.
My question is, why, or on what valid basis are certain groups singled out to apply this strong criticism to, when the strong criticism can be applied to all denominations of the Christianity known today?

On the basis of denial of the NT gospel, as in
1) salvation is by the merits of obedience, or
2) a "universal" Christ, who saves all men, even those who do not believe in him,
which denies Jesus' gospel in "whoever does not believe in the Son of Man is condemned already" (Jn 3:18).

And I suggest the "universal Christ" is the great rebellion of 2 Th 2:3, in that it makes the gospel unnecessary since all are saved anyway, which will result in the great rebellion--over-all denial of the gospel of Jesus Christ (Jn 3:18).

AFrazier · May 17, 2024

CoreyD said:
"The Momrons teachings are fatal to the souls trapped/ tricked. Like all false teachers, the followers don't realize the danger they are in, nor the danger to their own little children , and others.
The false gospels are extremely widespread today, and have been always.
But people taught by a false gospel, believe false gospels are okay - live and let live so to speak.

Like letting carnivorous mammals feast on the flesh of one's own family and friends !!"

These are words someone said to me in another thread.
I think these words can be said of any, and all denominations under the umbrella of Christianity.
My question is, why, or on what valid basis are certain groups singled out to apply this strong criticism to, when the strong criticism can be applied to all denominations of the Christianity known today?

My thumb's up to you for this question. I am of a similar mind. All denominations have it wrong on one point or another. If incorrect doctrine is all it takes to be condemned, then we're all doomed. Admittedly, some cults/sects/offshoots/denominations have some really bizarre doctrines. Nevertheless, most of them, if not all of them, still believe in the fundamental tenets of Christianity, that Jesus Christ was the son of God, that he died for our sins and rose again on the third day. According to the New Testament, confess and believe. That's the recipe for salvation. Not perfect doctrine.

CoreyD · May 17, 2024

AFrazier said:
My thumb's up to you for this question. I am of a similar mind. All denominations have it wrong on one point or another. If incorrect doctrine is all it takes to be condemned, then we're all doomed. Admittedly, some cults/sects/offshoots/denominations have some really bizarre doctrines. Nevertheless, most of them, if not all of them, still believe in the fundamental tenets of Christianity, that Jesus Christ was the son of God, that he died for our sins and rose again on the third day. According to the New Testament, confess and believe. That's the recipe for salvation. Not perfect doctrine.

I would agree that all of the teachings of all the religions are not "perfect" or 100% correct.
However, I'm not saying that all the religions are good, and that none fall under "false religion".

I'm more trying to understand how people can know with 100% certainty - it's not hidden - that of the xx,000 Christian denominations, all of them are divided on teachings, and referring to one teaching or other as false (this being the reason why so many denominations exist, since one breaks away from another, and forms their own, because they think a teaching is false), and they can only single out a handful of Christian religions, and consider them vile cults, at the same time tolerating the other xx,000 as "brothers and sisters".
That has me perplexed.

It's like someone looking at a basket of dirty laundry, and picking 4 out of 10,000 garments for washing, because those 4 garments have distinct soil marks from the other10,000.
Isn't that turning a blind eye to what's in need of attention, or bad, but finding something to give attention to, and consider terrible?
Perhaps that's a bad example, but I can't think of a good illustration at the moment.

AFrazier · May 18, 2024

CoreyD said:
I would agree that all of the teachings of all the religions are not "perfect" or 100% correct.
However, I'm not saying that all the religions are good, and that none fall under "false religion".

I'm more trying to understand how people can know with 100% certainty - it's not hidden - that of the xx,000 Christian denominations, all of them are divided on teachings, and referring to one teaching or other as false (this being the reason why so many denominations exist, since one breaks away from another, and forms their own, because they think a teaching is false), and they can only single out a handful of Christian religions, and consider them vile cults, at the same time tolerating the other xx,000 as "brothers and sisters".
That has me perplexed.

It's like someone looking at a basket of dirty laundry, and picking 4 out of 10,000 garments for washing, because those 4 garments have distinct soil marks from the other10,000.
Isn't that turning a blind eye to what's in need of attention, or bad, but finding something to give attention to, and consider terrible?
Perhaps that's a bad example, but I can't think of a good illustration at the moment.

No, I think you make the point nicely.

I suppose the difference falls to the specific doctrinal variance. If the church as a whole, for example, believes that Jesus is God in the flesh, and you have one offshoot that believes he is not, then that offshoot is rejected by all. In most other cases, a doctrinal difference typically has a scriptural argument. The validity of that argument notwithstanding, it’s written off by those who disagree as bad interpretation, versus the other which is viewed as heresy.

CoreyD · May 18, 2024

AFrazier said:
No, I think you make the point nicely.

I suppose the difference falls to the specific doctrinal variance. If the church as a whole, for example, believes that Jesus is God in the flesh, and you have one offshoot that believes he is not, then that offshoot is rejected by all. In most other cases, a doctrinal difference typically has a scriptural argument. The validity of that argument notwithstanding, it’s written off by those who disagree as bad interpretation, versus the other which is viewed as heresy.

Thanks.
That's the problem Frazier - "The church as a whole".
Perhaps an example might help.

United Methodists Lose 1,800 Churches in Split Over...
One of the dominant Christian denominations in the U.S., the United Methodist Church, is experiencing a major split. Since 2019, more than 7,000 congregations have received approval to leave the church. The factions have disagreements in theology, namely how the church considers LGBTQ+ ministers and congregants.

So, someone says to you, ""the 1,800 congregations left the church, but they and the 28,200 are the church as a whole."
Are you perplexed, or completely comfortable with that person's statement?

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