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stevil · May 16, 2024

BPPLEE said:
Calls for speculation
Our 4.54-billion-year-old planet probably experienced its hottest temperatures in its earliest days, when it was still colliding with other rocky debris (planetesimals) careening around the solar system. The heat of these collisions would have kept Earth molten, with top-of-the-atmosphere temperatures upward of 3,600° Fahrenheit.

Even after those first scorching millennia, however, the planet has often been much warmer than it is now. One of the warmest times was during the geologic period known as the Neoproterozoic, between 600 and 800 million years ago. Conditions were also frequently sweltering between 500 million and 250 million years ago. And within the last 100 million years, two major heat spikes occurred: the Cretaceous Hot Greenhouse (about 92 million years ago), and the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (about 56 million years ago).

So it’s been a lot hotter than our record temperatures

What was the point of this post?

BPPLEE · May 16, 2024

rambot said:
No, it doesn't. Why? Other scientists were skeptical, and then it was all confirmed.

Is it because you don't understand it?

See edited post. The hottest temperatures on record are only the hottest since we’ve been keeping records

BPPLEE · May 16, 2024

stevil said:
What was the point of this post?

It’s been a lot hotter than the “record” temperatures

stevil · May 16, 2024

BPPLEE said:
It’s been a lot hotter than the “record” temperatures

OK.

Do you know what the news means when they say " “record temperatures"? and who their audience is, and what information their audience is hoping to get?

I would expect the context to be very different to when a scientist says "record temperatures" in the entire history of the Earth.

BPPLEE · May 16, 2024

stevil said:
OK.

Do you know what the news means when they say " “record temperatures"? and who their audience is, and what information their audience is hoping to get?

I would expect the context to be very different to when a scientist says "record temperatures" in the entire history of the Earth.

Do you believe the news or the scientists? Because the news isn’t clarifying. The average person assumes it’s hotter than it’s ever been and that’s what the news is implying.

iluvatar5150 · May 16, 2024

eleos1954 said:
or it very well could be by natural occurrences ... according to science earth has been experiencing global warming/cooling periods throughout the ages ... even before the onset of humanity ... it's a debatable issue.

This logic is similar to saying that since people naturally gain weight as they reach adulthood, it’s debatable as to whether the 400 lb 20yo ought to go in a diet.

stevil · May 16, 2024

BPPLEE said:
Do you believe the news or the scientists? Because the news isn’t clarifying. The average person assumes it’s hotter than it’s ever been and that’s what the news is implying.

The average person knows when the news or the weather report says record temperatures they are referring to the time during humans rule on Earth and since meteorologists have been recording temperatures.
They do not need to put this as a disclaimer every time they talk about the weather.

When a scientist talks to other scientists or in a science journal or what not then the context is very different.
Your average person is not interested in reading a science journal. They aren't interested in what temperatures the Earth was experiencing 4 billion years ago. They are only interested in temperatures that people have been experiencing in the modern age.

It feels to me you are just arguing for argument's sake and not incorporating context or common sense into your thinking here.

BPPLEE · May 16, 2024

stevil said:
The average person knows when the news or the weather report says record temperatures they are referring to the time during humans rule on Earth and since meteorologists have been recording temperatures.
They do not need to put this as a disclaimer every time they talk about the weather.

When a scientist talks to other scientists or in a science journal or what not then the context is very different.
Your average person is not interested in reading a science journal. They aren't interested in what temperatures the Earth was experiencing 4 billion years ago. They are only interested in temperatures that people have been experiencing in the modern age.

It feels to me you are just arguing for argument's sake.

After what you said about uneducated people now you are giving people a lot of credit for understanding context. It seems you believe the average person understands plenty when it’s convenient for your argument. The fact is that the earth has been a lot hotter than it is now if you believe the science.

BPPLEE · May 16, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
This logic is similar to saying that since people naturally gain weight as they reach adulthood, it’s debatable as to whether the 400 lb 20yo ought to go in a diet.

The idea that all the green energy policies proposed for the US are going to reduce greenhouse emissions while China is continually building coal plants is like suggesting the 400 pound 20 year old will lose weight if other people diet for her.

stevil · May 16, 2024

BPPLEE said:
After what you said about uneducated people now you are giving people a lot of credit for understanding context. It seems you believe the average person understands plenty when it’s convenient for your argument. The fact is that the earth has been a lot hotter than it is now if you believe the science.

The common person, including the uneducated have a certain level of common sense.
In communications, if you try to make everything absolutely crystal clear, you will end up with a massive document, or spend a very long time explaining every little detail. This is fine for scientific or medical research papers.

But for a consumable product such as the news or the weather report, it is obviously not desired to be pendantic about every nitty detail.

All I can suggest, and I presume you know this already anyway. Is to apply a level of common sense and context. A good word for it would be "Grace". Use your own grace to try and understand what the speaker means when they provide information rather than to seek out ways to prove the speaker wrong and argue that ad-nauseum.

stevil · May 16, 2024

BPPLEE said:
The idea that all the green energy policies proposed for the US are going to reduce greenhouse emissions while China is continually building coal plants is like suggesting the 400 pound 20 year old will lose weight if other people diet for her.

Think globally, act locally.
The alternative is to just give up, and keep marching towards that cliff.

BPPLEE · May 16, 2024

stevil said:
Think globally, act locally.
The alternative is to just give up, and keep marching towards that cliff.

And the 400 pound person keeps getting fatter

stevil · May 16, 2024

BPPLEE said:
And the 400 pound person keeps getting fatter

You can't control other people or other countries. All you can do is what is in your sphere of influence.
Your country can embrace environmentally friendly and responsible practices and be helping towards a potential better future, or you could whine and whinge about others and not bother to do anything any better yourself.
It's up to you how you choose to conduct yourself.

iluvatar5150 · May 16, 2024

BPPLEE said:
The idea that all the green energy policies proposed for the US are going to reduce greenhouse emissions while China is continually building coal plants is like suggesting the 400 pound 20 year old will lose weight if other people diet for her.

China seems to be turning things around pretty quickly. Their carbon emissions are projected to decline this year and peak by 2026.

Analysis: China’s emissions set to fall in 2024 after record growth in clean energy - Carbon Brief

China’s CO2 emissions are set to fall in 2024 and could be facing structural decline, due to record growth in clean energy.

www.carbonbrief.org

Oil Going Down While China’s Energy Mix And Emissions Doing A Backflip

China won’t be able to offset U.S. crude oil decline coming from growth of electric vehicles.

www.forbes.com

BPPLEE · May 16, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
China seems to be turning things around pretty quickly. Their carbon emissions are projected to decline this year and peak by 2026.

Analysis: China’s emissions set to fall in 2024 after record growth in clean energy - Carbon Brief

China’s CO2 emissions are set to fall in 2024 and could be facing structural decline, due to record growth in clean energy.

www.carbonbrief.org

Oil Going Down While China’s Energy Mix And Emissions Doing A Backflip

China won’t be able to offset U.S. crude oil decline coming from growth of electric vehicles.

www.forbes.com

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-huge-coal-plant-building-has-weird-climate-logic-russell-2023-09-19/

They need coal to power all their electric vehicles, so they can cut back on oil imports. Sounds like a great, clean energy plan

China responsible for 95% of new coal power construction in 2023, report says - Carbon Brief

China accounted for 95% of the world’s new coal power construction activity in 2023, according to the Global Energy Monitor.

www.carbonbrief.org

BPPLEE · May 16, 2024

stevil said:
The common person, including the uneducated have a certain level of common sense.
In communications, if you try to make everything absolutely crystal clear, you will end up with a massive document, or spend a very long time explaining every little detail. This is fine for scientific or medical research papers.

But for a consumable product such as the news or the weather report, it is obviously not desired to be pendantic about every nitty detail.

All I can suggest, and I presume you know this already anyway. Is to apply a level of common sense and context. A good word for it would be "Grace". Use your own grace to try and understand what the speaker means when they provide information rather than to seek out ways to prove the speaker wrong and argue that ad-nauseum.

The implication is that it’s hotter than it’s ever been. It’s not. Most people don’t know that when they’re being told we’re experiencing the highest temperatures ever Recorded.

iluvatar5150 · May 16, 2024

BPPLEE said:
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-huge-coal-plant-building-has-weird-climate-logic-russell-2023-09-19/
They need coal to power all their electric vehicles, so they can cut back on oil imports. Sounds like a great, clean energy plan

China responsible for 95% of new coal power construction in 2023, report says - Carbon Brief

China accounted for 95% of the world’s new coal power construction activity in 2023, according to the Global Energy Monitor.

www.carbonbrief.org

From your article:

But even using a predominantly coal-fired grid to charge NEVs is better from a climate perspective, insofar as an electric vehicle powered by a 60% coal-fired grid will produce lower lifecycle emissions that a similar ICE vehicle.

A model developed by the U.S. Department of Energy's Argonne National Laboratory shows that in a country with China's power generation profile, a battery electric vehicle will have to drive 78,700 miles (125,900 km) before being cleaner than an ICE equivalent.

However, the average car will drive about 170,000 miles in its lifespan, meaning that the electric vehicle ends up being better for emissions than the ICE equivalent, even if powered by a predominantly coal-fired grid.

BPPLEE · May 16, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
From your article:

But even using a predominantly coal-fired grid to charge NEVs is better from a climate perspective, insofar as an electric vehicle powered by a 60% coal-fired grid will produce lower lifecycle emissions that a similar ICE vehicle.

A model developed by the U.S. Department of Energy's Argonne National Laboratory shows that in a country with China's power generation profile, a battery electric vehicle will have to drive 78,700 miles (125,900 km) before being cleaner than an ICE equivalent.

However, the average car will drive about 170,000 miles in its lifespan, meaning that the electric vehicle ends up being better for emissions than the ICE equivalent, even if powered by a predominantly coal-fired

This is the fourth year in a row that the amount of new coal construction starting has increased in China. This is out of line with President Xi Jinping’s 2021 pledge to “strictly control” new coal power capacity, GEM states.

stevil · May 16, 2024

BPPLEE said:
The implication is that it’s hotter than it’s ever been. It’s not. Most people don’t know that when they’re being told we’re experiencing the highest temperatures ever Recorded.

I don't think most people are idiots.

BPPLEE · May 16, 2024

stevil said:
I don't think most people are idiots.

I wouldn’t know if from your previous posts

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