Huh? Saying "Losing to Putin" is not saying that winning against Putin means the West will force changes to the Ukrainian culture.
Because you just make stuff up.
If Ukraine wins against Russia, that means ascension into Europe and that ascension and participation comes at a cost. It is not free and conformity to the wider European project is necessary. Ukrainian, culture, nationalism, it's people and identity will not be necessary in said union. Such identity will need to be undermined as it is in the rest of Europe.
Are you aware of what a proxy conflict is?
Just because you can't think about these issues rationally doesn't mean I've made this stuff up. You have the mind of an ideologue and it is impossible to reason with you.
Membership is a matter for the Ukrainian people and the EU.
The original proposition was that losing to Russia means the death of Ukrainian culture and identity. That has yet to be demonstrated whereas I believe incorporation into Europe will erase the traditional Ukranian culture, which is Slavic and Orthodox. Entry into Europe will weaken that identity which has marked the Ukranian people for centuries.
You are not interested in a conversation. You are captured by emotion. Think calmly and come back when you can address my points. Have a good day.
A "regional power"? Even that I should laugh mockingly at Russia for. Brazil, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Nigeria, those are a few other regional powers. I think it fits: Russia -- a regional power with ICBMs (like North Korea.)
What do you mean "the West" isn't stopping Russia? "The West" isn't fighting Russia. There great progress in the last week is to capture a few border villages between the main defensive line and the international border.
We could start by escaping from Russia-style corruption.
"They won't be free, but won't be western." That's quite a pitch. Neutrality didn't work for them before anyway.
It is a regional power and a significant one at that. One that has shown endurance against Western Sanctions and is creating an economic block away from the US and Europe with BRICS. I don't see how underestimating an adversary helps you.
So Ukraine is defending itself alone? Well that's an interesting thing to believe.
Ukrainian corruption being better somehow?
Neutrality literally did work for them. It was only when Russia feared Ukraine entering the Western orbit (NATO), that it invaded Crimea to secure the Naval bases there. It was the inability of the US and Ukraine to agree to neutrality which is why this conflict happened.
Russia have a lot of young meat sacks which they use as cannon fodder. They keep tearing them away from their families and pushing them at the Ukrainians in the hopes that the Ukrainians will eventually run out of bullets.
No one has said that. That is just disingenuous.
Nope, that's not it.
LOL. It was the inability of Putin to not be blood thirsty that caused the conflict to happen.
Perhaps you didn't realize the sting, but think for a moment of those poor Russians, from superpower to regional power in just a generation. (OK, that was enough.)
Ukraine is fighting its own war. No one is fighting for them.
Ukraine is at least trying to reduce corruption. (The EU insists on it for the desired membership.)
Nonsense. Ukraine wasn't moving toward NATO, it was looking toward economic ties with the EU. (The EU is not NATO, and NATO is not the EU.) That's why Russia invaded in 2014. Russia already controlled the naval bases they leased in Crimea. (That will end soon.)
Just stating facts.
And the Ukrainians are weary.
Here our Secretary of State goes to boost moral and sings western devil music!
"KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken sought Tuesday to rally the spirits of glum Ukrainians facing a fierce new Russian offensive, assuring them during a visit to Kyiv that they are not alone and that billions of dollars in American military aid on its way after months of political delays will make a “real difference” on the battlefield.
After a day of meetings with senior officials, civil society figures and university students when he exhorted them against being discouraged, Blinken took to the stage at a bar in Ukraine’s capital to play rhythm guitar and sing with a local band on Neil Young’s 1989 hit “Rockin’ in the Free World.”
The performance, and a series of sunny comments from Blinken about Ukraine’s battlefield prospects, was a startling juxtaposition to what analysts have called one of the most dangerous moments for Ukraine since Russia’s full-scale invasion in February 2022. Russian forces have taken swaths of territory along Ukraine’s northeast border, and thousands of civilians in the Kharkiv region have fled the increasingly intense attacks."
But Blinken told Ukrainian leaders during his unannounced visit to Kyiv that despite a lengthy delay in U.S. military aid that left them vulnerable to these renewed Russian military strikes, more weaponry is coming and some has already arrived.
He made the case even as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appealed to him personally for more air defense systems to protect civilians under intense Russian fire in the northeast. Blinken, on fourth trip to Kyiv since the war began, also lambasted Russian President Vladimir Putin for underestimating Ukraine’s determination to fight back.
Blinken in Kyiv tries to rally sagging Ukrainian spirits as Russia makes new military gains
The visit comes less than a month after Congress approved a long-delayed foreign assistance package that sets aside $60 billion in aid for Ukraine.apnews.com
And for what it's worth, Putin did underestimate the Ukrainian response. But on the other hand I remember some in the West saying Putin was just bluffing by amassing troops on the border and wouldn't really invade. So some underestimated Russia's resolve to invade also.
This is not much more than declaring that child of rape often bears a resemblance to its father.
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Not trying to win people over to your cause, I see.Rock = devil music
You CAN Kill Rock & Roll!
Rock music and metal is confusion: much of it is noise, not even talent - and what does have talent is so dark and depressing, delving into the deepest pits of hell and the occult, lewdness, violence, and anything that is sin. Just consider some lyrics: "Don't go to Heaven 'cause it's really...
Good to see Anti-rock/metal screeds still referencing the same few bands as they were decades ago when I first saw them.Rock = devil music
You CAN Kill Rock & Roll!
Rock music and metal is confusion: much of it is noise, not even talent - and what does have talent is so dark and depressing, delving into the deepest pits of hell and the occult, lewdness, violence, and anything that is sin. Just consider some lyrics: "Don't go to Heaven 'cause it's really...
