SC Senate Passes Bill Banning Affirmative Care For Minors

Pommer said:

If we could get them to outlaw cancer, that’d be great!

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Everything the bill outlawed is a choice that is made.

Zaha Torte said:

Everything the bill outlawed is a choice that is made.

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So’s religion, but fortunately the Constitution doesn’t allow politicians to mess with that (too much).

Pommer said:

So’s religion, but fortunately the Constitution doesn’t allow politicians to mess with that (too much).

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I've never heard of any religion cutting off a kid's wing-dang-doodle before.

Belk said:

Which we allow. For example we do not interfere with religious indoctrination nor do we outlaw the "cosmetic surgery" for religious reasons.

What, exactly, do you imagine "transgender ideology" to be?

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That boys can be girls or vice versa, which I do not personally accept.

If you disagree, that's completely ok. I 100% respect your opinion and those who disagree with me.

If only there was a transgender person on the forum to weigh in. Oh wait, I'm one.

It's amazing how far people will go to attack the LGBT, even to the lengths of infringing on the personal freedom of others. The same people who scream about parents rights are happy to tell parents of trans kids how to raise them. The same people who scream about government in healthcare are happy to now ask government to get involved in kids healthcare. The same people who scream about religious freedom want to ban and criminalize people are behaviours based on thier religion. Remember when people minded thier own business? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

None of the people here are doctors yet think they know more about gender dysphoria then trans people and medical doctors.

You cannot cure gender dysphoria and the only two options are transition or live with it. Many can't live with it and transition is the only option to save thier life. There is no such thing as a medical treatment or medication that has no risk. Even Tylenol has risks.

Doctors weigh the harm of treatment vs the results and make an educated judgement. Since suicide is fatal and therefore usually considered a sub-optimal result they choose therapy and medical intervention.

RileyG said:

Ok. What’s the point exactly?

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The point is that claims that children are being manipulated into having surgeries is factually incorrect.

rjs330 said:

Everyone including doctors, therapists endocrinologist, lawyers, politicians, parents etc.who have been watching what's been going on in this field starting with WPATH.

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Literally "everyone" agrees 100% that the experts "are 100% biased"? Come on, no one's going to buy that.

ThatRobGuy said:

Actually, it was the "general public" who played a large role in getting the "doctors endorsing cigarette brands" squashed...as well as pressure from consumer advocacy groups directed at the surgeon general.

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Fair enough. Go ahead and tell the people whose research I linked that they are wrong, and you're sure of it because 2 generations ago some doctors were wrong about the dangers of smoking. Let us know what their response is.

I get it. Looking at cases where researchers got it wrong in the past (while ignoring the vast majority of times they get it right, or at least improved our knowledge) is a great way to rationalize cases where one hopes this might be the case now. But without actual evidence that the current research in question is flawed, there's literally no way to tell if it is like one of the unusual cases in the past where the research was totally wrong or if it is part of the much more common situation where experts in the field are working their best to come to informed conclusions using the limited information at hand.

I'm really reminded of climate change deniers pulling out a single magazine cover from the 70s talking about a coming ice age as "evidence" that all of modern climate science is wrong. Or evolution deniers pointing to a misidentified fossil from a century ago as evidence that all of modern biology is flawed. It's not an exact parallel but feels much the same.

rjs330 said:

Why is it that everytime we talk about transgender medicine and the finding of rhe systematic reviews rhat led to Europe ending affirmative care rhe left has to bring up single payer systems?

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Because it points out how those sorts of claims are cherry-picking only the bits of the conclusions of those governments which agree with far-right talking points on the subject. We're supposed to accept them because they're health care decisions from Europe, just don't think about all the other health care decisions from Europe we need to ignore.

Plus it undercuts the GOP's claim to be for small government when not only are they working to get big government to interfere in parental choice but they're doing so to adopt health care policies from "socialist" governments in the process.

rjs330 said:

Hmm... still no cogent answer.

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There was one in the post you quoted, based on experience in this very thread. It's not on me for seeing the pattern.

rjs330 said:

I don't think it's outlawed choices. It's outlawed harmful medical treatments and therapies regarding children. Therapies that have not been scientifically proven to even be beneficial. Once could argue that we are taking away the choice to those harmful and unproven treatments, but I would say do we actually want to give kids a choice if that nature? I say no. We don't allow them to smoke or drink alcohol. Are we taking a way a choice? Technically so. But I'm okay with that.

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You are absolutely correct.

I was responding to a comment about our ability to "outlaw cancer".

I was merely pointing out that we cannot outlaw cancer - we can only outlaw choices.

The ideology of transgenderism is evil and only leads to human suffering.

Zaha Torte said:

I've never heard of any religion cutting off a kid's wing-dang-doodle before.

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Pommer said:

Alessandro Moreschi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Why do you believe this to be relevant?

You believe this example of castration was a religious practice?

KCfromNC said:

The point is that claims that children are being manipulated into having surgeries is factually incorrect.

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They may be manipulated into thinking they are the opposite gender when they truly aren’t.

RileyG said:

They may be manipulated into thinking they are the opposite gender when they truly aren’t.

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They don't have to be manipulated if they are given a better choice than the one you offer.

KCfromNC said:

The point is that claims that children are being manipulated into having surgeries is factually incorrect.

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But children are having surgeries. I don't understand.

BCP1928 said:

They don't have to be manipulated if they are given a better choice than the one you offer.

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Like what?