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That's ok.just take 'sir' as inclusive, but sorry for using it.
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That's ok.just take 'sir' as inclusive, but sorry for using it.
I have NEVER heard a Baptist say they hated someone because they were catholic. Perhaps when one interlocutor in a conversation is unjustifiably convinced of the evil intent of the other it might seem that way.The main question I've been asked by cradle Catholics is "Why do Baptists hate us?" which, I think, says something about their experience with relatives, friends, and an occasional stranger from some kind of Baptist like background.
Quoted for TruthIt's hypocritical
I know.
But I didn't start it - see posts #375, 381, 385.
Getting back to the OP: a person becomes a Christian, is saved and has eternal life - long before they even get to a church. They may even die before they can get to a church.
Church does not complete, nor add to, a person's salvation.
I haven't heard it. But when I was a child, the Baptists in our area refused to sign an ecumenical Christmas card because the Catholics had done so.I have NEVER heard a Baptist say they hated someone because they were catholic.
That is at the least mean and petty, but doesn’t represent all Baptist.I haven't heard it. But when I was a child, the Baptists in our area refused to sign an ecumenical Christmas card because the Catholics had done so.
Even back then, I thought that was appalling.
Absolutely not; I didn't mean to give that impression. It may never have happened since, and, for all I know, that church may have later felt ashamed of their actions.That is at the least mean and petty, but doesn’t represent all Baptist.
It is an example that is consistent with the comments that I have heard from cradle Catholics; I know a lady, aged 87, who was refused work because she was Catholic. The job was with a major retailer here. And in her younger adult years in the 1950s and early 1960s some job advertisements had "Catholics need not apply" in their text. So, whatever people may say now, the testimonies I have heard are credible. And I myself was shunned by friends from a local Assembly of God because I became a Catholic.I haven't heard it. But when I was a child, the Baptists in our area refused to sign an ecumenical Christmas card because the Catholics had done so.
Even back then, I thought that was appalling.
Like I've always said; Catholics are our Christian brothers and sisters. The Catholic church is a Christian church, and I will always defend them against anyone who says they are not true believers/shouldn't be included/ are the anti Christ etc.It is an example that is consistent with the comments that I have heard from cradle Catholics; I know a lady, aged 87, who was refused work because she was Catholic. The job was with a major retailer here. And in her younger adult years in the 1950s and early 1960s some job advertisements had "Catholics need not apply" in their text. So, whatever people may say now, the testimonies I have heard are credible. And I myself was shunned by friends from a local Assembly of God because I became a Catholic.
You ought to take into consideration the question of whether any local Catholic Church would willingly receive you as a member. After all, the Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults (RCIA), has a period of discernment in it, and during that period both the catechumen (or Candidate) and the Catechists and the local pastor discern if membership is possible and advisable.And I could never join a Catholic church.
I don't need to consider it; it's not going to happen.You ought to take into consideration the question of whether any local Catholic Church would willingly receive you as a member.
You ought to take into consideration the question of whether any local Catholic Church would willingly receive you as a member. After all, the Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults (RCIA), has a period of discernment in it, and during that period both the catechumen (or Candidate) and the Catechists and the local pastor discern if membership is possible and advisable.
Please study the Bible so that you may avoid such false accusations in the future:This is not something the "true" church would do. Again, the true church is the many membered body that holds to the teachings brought forth by Christ and his apostles/disciples period. And what you posted is a far cry from that.
In the early days, the Lord would add to the church "daily" as would be saved and on the first day around 3 thousand were added. This stuff about a period of discernment should make anyone who is in the Word of God daily to sit up and take notice that something is wrong. The Lord adds to the church, not man. He's the heart knower and the one that discerns.
Again your traditions of men are voiding out the word of God.
I posted nothing false. It's God, not man that adds to the church. We can discern a person's fruits, etc but only God can truly know what's in a person's heart/mind, not man and by doing so can add to the church. He knows who's truly repented or not.Please study the Bible so that you may avoid such false accusations in the future:
Rom 12: 1-2 I appeal to you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world[a] but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that you may prove what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.[b] RSVCE
Colossians 1:28 He is the one we proclaim, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone fully mature in Christ. RSVCEI posted nothing false. It's God, not man that adds to the church. We can discern a person's fruits, etc but only God can truly know what's in a person's heart/mind, not man and by doing so can add to the church.
Acts 2:41 "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls."
The very same day 3000 were added. No period of waiting, etc. In Hebrews it states "today" if we hear his voice...
Acts 2:47 "Praising God, and having favour with all people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Again, it's the Lord he added to the church as such should be saved. He knows.
This is more about the sanctification process and not conforming to the world that all Christians should be about their entire lives- not about who to add to the church. Again, that's for the Lord to decide.
After all, the Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults (RCIA), has a period of discernment in it, and during that period both the catechumen (or Candidate) and the Catechists and the local pastor discern if membership is possible and advisable.
Where is the RCIA in scripture and by believing this you are stating you don't believe it's the Lord that adds to the church? And why would it take some years to get through the RCIA and when we have just read that those that received/believed the word (gladly) were baptized that same day and were added to the church? If Peter is your first Pope, why didn't he mention a period of RCIA? He told them to repent and be baptized and they would receive the Holy Spirit. What changed? And why move away from Peter's words? Are they still not true today?
Colossians 1:28 He is the one we proclaim, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone fully mature in Christ. RSVCE
It illustrates that a personal interpretation of the Bible can end in just about anything.
God is the only one that can know who's truly repented and who's taking the Lord's supper in a proper state. But again, nothing to do with adding the church.The Bible warns us about not receiving the Eucharist in the proper state.
This is true, and repentance can take some time, but it can also happen quickly as by the verses I posted.People have different experiences of conversion
And yet, you won't answer my questions about Peter's teachings and the Lord adding to the church. I posted Peter's instructions (your first Pope supposedly) and yet you continue to post about Paul's teachings on maturing as a Christian.flies in the face of such religious instruction spoken of in the Bible.