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Could you share for us the Creed of St. Gregory of Tatev?
«We confess and believe wholeheartedly in God the Father, uncreated, unborn, and without beginning, and begetter of the Son and the cause of the proceeding of the Holy Spirit.

We believe in God the Word, begotten of, and coming from the Father before all ages; neither after nor younger [than the Father], but as much as the Father is the Father, so the Son with Him is Son.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, uncreated, timeless, not begotten of but proceeding from the Father, consubstantial with the Father and sharing the glory with the Son.

We believe in the Holy Trinity, one Nature, one Divinity; not three gods, but one God, one Deity, one will, one kingship, one power; Creator of all visible and invisible things.

We believe in the Holy Church and the forgiveness of sins through the communion of the saints.

We believe that One of the Three Persons, God the Word, begotten by the Father before all ages, in time came down into the Mother of God, Virgin Mary, taking from her blood united it to His Divinity, waited patiently in the womb of the pure Virgin for nine months; and the perfect God became man in spirit, in mind, and in body; one Person, one Countenance, and one United Nature; humanized God without mutation and without alteration; seedless conception and pure birth; without end to His humanity, as there is no beginning to His Divinity, «For Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever» (Heb 13:8).

We believe that our Lord Jesus Christ wandered on earth, and that after thirty years He came to Baptism; the Father testified: «This is my Son, the Beloved» (Mt 17:5), and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in the form of a dove; He was tempted by Satan and defeated him.

He proclaimed salvation for humankind, worked, labored, and experienced hunger and thirst in the body. Then He willingly came to suffer; crucified, died in the body while living as [to His] divinity. His body, unseparated from His divinity, was buried in the grave, and He descended into hell with His indivisible divinity. He preached to the souls, destroyed hell, and liberated the souls. Three days after [His burial] He rose from the dead and appeared to His disciples.

We believe that our Lord Jesus Christ ascended with the same body unto heaven and sat on the right hand of the Father. And He will come to judge the living and the dead.

And to recompense according to deeds-eternal life to the righteous and eternal torment to the sinners.»
 
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I think I might post a thread and solicit additions, although I am most interested in additions from Patristic sources, not because I dislike Martin Luther; thanks to you and @MarkRohfrietsch I have become very sympathetic towards him, but rather because I want to avoid any Scholastic theology or Protestant reactions to Scholastic theology, because I believe that Scholasticism contributed substantially to the scenario that led to the schism between the Eastern and Western churches and to doctrines such as Papal Supremacy which in turn led to the Protestant Reformation and more schisms, and unfortunately the rise of the Reformed churches, especially the Zwinglians and Radical Reformation churches such as the Anabaptists, led by people who did not agree with the common-sense approach of Martin Luther and decided that everything that was Catholic had to be wrong, on that basis. I also believe that the pathway to reunion is through the Church Fathers, which I regard the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox as preserving doctrinally, but I think there has also been superb work done by some Protestant and even Catholic theologians in recent years, for example, I liked the writings of Pope Benedict XVI, memory eternal, and I like some of the work of the Danish Lutheran philosopher Soren Kierkegaard (indeed he is the only person labelled an “existentialist” who I actually do like, and I would note this label has been applied to his work, but he did not belong to the class of mid 20th century philosophers and Hippie dropout-types who self-identified as “existentialists” and agreed that being existentialist was good, but upon nothing else), and several others, for example, John Wesley, Charles Wesley, Dom Gregory Dix, Rev. Percy Dearmer, and several others.
My emphasis on most of my posts concerns hermeneutical rules. I probably have five books I have read that really influence my Christian life. Knowing Scripture by RC Sproul is highly influential.
This was published in 1977. When Covid hit in 2020, I set out to study specifically how Credobaptists justify their beliefs. MY CONCLUSION: Two sets of rules for interpreting Scripture. One for Christian baptism, and an altogether different set of rules for interpreting the rest of Scripture.
 
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Hot off the Press....released a few hours ago.

Eastern Orthodox and Lutheran Theosis....

Jordan B Cooper....President of the American Lutheran Theological Seminary in fellowship with LCMS

 
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My emphasis on most of my posts concerns hermeneutical rules. I probably have five books I have read that really influence my Christian life. Knowing Scripture by RC Sproul is highly influential.
This was published in 1977. When Covid hit in 2020, I set out to study specifically how Credobaptists justify their beliefs. MY CONCLUSION: Two sets of rules for interpreting Scripture. One for Christian baptism, and an altogether different set of rules for interpreting the rest of Scripture.

Indeed, and that is very good of you. I think you will find they apply the same hermeneutic they use for baptism to the Eucharist as well, and also throw in a mistranslation of the Greek word “anamnesis” in order to justify their Memorialist or Zwinglian Eucharistic theology.

These issues are of particular concern to me, because my primary focus is on the liturgy, and the two most important liturgies the Church performs on a routine basis are those of Baptism and the Eucharist, and the Credobaptist-Memorialist or Zwinglian interpretation of these sacraments is greatly wrong.
 
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Hot off the Press....released a few hours ago.

Eastern Orthodox and Lutheran Theosis....

Jordan B Cooper....President of the American Lutheran Theological Seminary in fellowship with LCMS


Forgive me but how is that relevant to what we were just discussing? I mean, yes, its good we both believe in theosis, its unfortunate that Dr. Cooper decided to misrepresent the relative importance of the writings of Psuedo-Dionysius and also to trash them, and its also disappointing that he failed to engage with the Oriental Orthodox tradition which largely agrees with the Eastern Orthodox tradition on the subject of theosis but of course does so without recourse to St. Maximus the Confessor.
 
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the same hermeneutic they use for baptism to the Eucharist as well, and also throw in a mistranslation of the Greek word “anamnesis” in order to justify their Memorialist or Zwinglian Eucharistic theology.
With the Eucharist, I see something different. A complete lack of understanding of how literary devices work. Figures of speech such as Metaphor, Metonmyn and synecdoche expand meaning in language. Theses troupes do not change meaning in language. To change meaning especially with the Lord's Supper you change the verb. We see this at Rick Warren's Saddleback church when he says publically "This represents my body."
 
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With the Eucharist, I see something different. A complete lack of understanding of how literary devices work. Figures of speech such as Metaphor, Metonmyn and synecdoche expand meaning in language. Theses troupes do not change meaning in language. To change meaning especially with the Lord's Supper you change the verb. We see this at Rick Warren's Saddleback church when he says publically "This represents my body."

Indeed, what Rick Saddleback is doing is basically changing the words of our Lord so that they align with his Zwinglian or Memorialist interpretation, and it is extremely wrong.
 
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Indeed, what Rick Saddleback is doing is basically changing the words of our Lord so that they align with his Zwinglian or Memorialist interpretation, and it is extremely wrong.
Rather than "the Gospel", another gospel.
 
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Rather than "the Gospel", another gospel.

Indeed, these are a problem. I am debating someone in another thread now with a similiar view; I will PM you the details.
 
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