I hate Repent of your sins to be Saved. it is a false gospel, lie from the pit of hell

TPop · Mar 14, 2024

JulieB67 said:
Not all sin is willful. Some sin in ignorance, not thinking, weakness in giving into the flesh in the moment and the list goes on. We will always sin but I'm talking about continuing in sin without repentance, and planning on continuing in that sin. If you are doing this, you are walking in darkness.

It is all wilful. Wilful for not learning, wilfully for obeying the flesh, etc. Else there actually is an excuse for sin?

JulieB67 said:
That's exactly what I'm talking about. But some problem sins do take time but as I've said God is the heart knower. But we are to always try and put the spirit above the flesh. The flesh will win at times but it doesn't mean we aren't to continue to try. Paul talks about this more than once.

Then they would certainly need to have repentance to get back into that fellowship with God. Because it's only in the light that their sins are washed.

Yes. Lots of Repentance.

JulieB67 said:
I John 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"

I John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin."

He states that if we say we have no sin the truth is not in us as well

John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

But if we confess our sins -

I John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

No one is going to remember all of their sins but God is the heart knower and knows who's sincere when we go to him in prayer.

There is no point in 1 John 1.6 without the prior or following verses. Else 1 John 1.6 is a death sentence for all.
So there is no perfect walking in Light. As in we do not sin. We sin, but we are with Jesus, in the light, in his light, reflecting his light. Or we at times reflect the darkness. Once one is saved, there is no threat to salvation in reflecting darkness. Only a threat to fellowship.

JulieB67 said:
As I just posted, John states you have no fellowship and the truth is not in you if you continue to walk in darkness.

This verse cannot stand alone. It is modified, immediately and elsewhere in scripture. He is speaking to those Saved already. Not unbelievers. He is not saying you can lose your salvation. Only lose fellowship. You leave it hanging as if it is a threat to the former.

Of course, we are required to ask for forgiveness and repent. All after being saved.

JulieB67 said:
This is living in sin I'm sure. Not a simple, I messed up, had a moment of weakness, etc. This is to continue to walk in darkness. We are supposed to be children of the light.

That's the very definition of repenting -thinking differently. For some, that takes years. It's taken me years on many things but I'm slowly getting there. It's continuing that sanctification/maturing process as a Christian. But the repentance is there on my part. Will I fall short? Yes, always, that's the flesh but as you said yourself there's sin and there's living in sin.

This we agree on.

And yet, Christ and the disciples/apostles preach repentance. I believe repentance goes hand in hand with salvation. It was taught in the ministry and if we believe in Christ, we have to believe in his ministry and the disciples/apostles that later spread his ministry.

But John, above, was not talking to unbelievers. Yet you tie them back in.

JulieB67 said:
What is your opinion of these verses after Peter states that with all diligence we should add to our faith- virtue, kindness, charity, godliness, temperance, patience, kindness

Yes. We should. Our relationship 'should' grow with God and so 'should' our fellowship. But not everyone is there day 1, first second of salvation. For some, they get saved and continue to be carnal. For weeks, months, years. And they likely have no or few righteous works stored up in Heven during this time. But then, one day, they are drawn. To tell them they must repent and stop all sinning when they are saved is a burden they cannot handle, not truthfully. So they lose and quit before they start. It is like taking your 5 year old to the race and telling him he must run against 20 year old men... and win!

Look at the Corinthians. They were saved. But look at what they were doing. It was a horrible sin. By Children of God. They were reflecting the darkness. It happens.

JulieB67 said:
II Peter 1:8 "For if there things be in you and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ."

II Peter 1:9 "But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins."

I see that he has forgotten that he was purged from his "old sins". It doesn't state -" hath forgotten he was purged from his sins" which is something you and the OP seems to be implying that we are purged from, past and future.

Jesus died for all sins. Past, present, and future. The end. How great is that!
We ask forgiveness for our sins because we care, love, feel bad, want better fellowship with man and God. But this does not start on Second 1 for most anyone.

JulieB67 said:
Which goes hand in hand with what John is stating 1 John 1:7.

I guess we're not going to agree on any of this and the big difference for me is- obviously you and the OP (along with many others I realize) most likely believe in OSAS and I don't. I believe someone can completely fall away and not come back.

Yes. Salvation is a miracle. I do not find Jesus. He found me. I cannot lose what I did not find. He will not let go. He will not let go just because I was sinful.

The opposite of that is that I am always in danger or in a loss gain loss gain loss gain circle of salvation. Or you never had it in the first place.

Peace and Blessings

Palmfever · Mar 14, 2024

Luke 13:3
I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

2 Chron, 7:1
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

Acts 3:19
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

Prov 28:13
Whoever conceals their sins does not prosper,
but the one who confesses and renounces them finds mercy.

2 Chron 30:9
For the Lord your God is gracious and compassionate. He will not turn his face from you if you return to him.

Matt 3:8
Produce fruit in keeping with repentance.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Matt 4:17
From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”

James 4:8
Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

Rev 3:19
Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent.

Ezec 18:32
For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!

Joel 2:13
Rend your heart
and not your garments.
Return to the Lord your God,
for he is gracious and compassionate,
slow to anger and abounding in love,
and he relents from sending calamity.

Luke 15:7
I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

Acts 17:30
In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.

Mark 1:15
“The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!”

Luke 5:32
I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Acts 2:38
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

Luke 15:10
In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.

Prov 1:23
Repent at my rebuke!
Then I will pour out my thoughts to you,
I will make known to you my teachings.
2 Cor 7:10
Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

Psalm 51:17
My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit;
a broken and contrite heart
you, God, will not despise.

Matt 3:2
Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.

Lam 3:40
Let us examine our ways and test them,
and let us return to the Lord.

aritsotle · Mar 14, 2024

Jesus the True Vine

15 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that bears no fruit, He takes away. And every branch that bears fruit, He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean through the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in Me, as I also remain in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it remains in the vine, neither can you, unless you remain in Me.

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who remains in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit. For without Me you can do nothing. 6 If a man does not remain in Me, he is thrown out as a branch and withers. And they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you remain in Me, and My words remain in you, you will ask whatever you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

9 “As the Father loved Me, I also loved you. Remain in My love. 10 If you keep My commandments, you will remain in My love, even as I have kept My Father’s commandments and remain in His love. 11 I have spoken these things to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. 12 This is My commandment: that you love one another, as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no man than this: that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. 15 I no longer call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master does. But I have called you friends, for everything that I have heard from My Father have I made known to you. 16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you, and appointed you, that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that the Father may give you whatever you ask Him in My name. 17 This I command you: that you love one another.

TPop · Mar 14, 2024

Strong in Him said:
There's nothing in the text to suggest that Jesus did not want her to be stoned because she would have died in her sin and gone to Hades.

Jesus wants no one to die before they are saved. Thus, it makes sense that Jesus did not want her to be killed before she had a chance to be saved.

Strong in Him said:
No idea. He said that anyone who was without sin should cast the first stone.
In other words, you may only judge this woman if you have never sinned yourself. As they all put down their stones and walked away, I'd say that showed that they knew that they weren't perfect. You could say that they were admitting to being sinners, at that point.

There is a lot to learn from this. Not just a woman sinned and men came to Jesus asking and Jesus responded. Scripture, for me. Is not just A > B > C > D. There are all sorts of things to consider and learn about this. Why was the man not brought? Why were they wanting to stone her/kill her and not help her out of her sin? The reasons for these and many other questions are part of the answers as to why Jesus says or does a thing. We read it literally first. Yes. But then we look at the words used, the context, the situation, the players, their motives, etc.

Strong in Him said:
There's nothing in the text to suggest that.
Jesus took our sins upon himself on the cross.

That is only a possibility.
Jesus took our sins upon himself before creation.

Strong in Him said:
Yes.
And your original statement was that people who say "stop sinning" are a stumbling block to others' salvation.
Or are you saying that that doesn't apply to Jesus; that he can tell others to stop sinning, but no one else can?

I am saying that Jesus was telling her to get out of adultery. It was not good for her to be in it.
I don't believe he was addressing her whole sin nature and all sins ever committed or to be commented.
This was about her adultery.

Strong in Him said:
1. How do you know what other people mean?
2. Do evangelists, or anyone who has led another person to Christ, then tell that person to never sin again? Not in my experience. If the new convert was to say "can I still do ....... and be a Christian?" There might be a discussion/some teaching about bad habits/sin/what being holy looks like. Even on these forums, there have been many posts, "Is X a sin?".
But I've never heard of anyone telling a new Christian, or even current church member, to never sin again.

Because I have heard it a few times.
Because they don't have the knowledge, wisdom, and truth to say it as Jesus does.
They may not even say it verbally, but there are plenty that do. They put it in tracts, the church SOF, perhaps even on this board and other boards in one form or another.

Peace and Blessings

aritsotle · Mar 14, 2024

aritsotle said:
Jesus the True Vine

What I think about what God said

Bear fruit: good deeds
Remain: don't leave

No fruit? Not in Jesus

The promise is to bear much fruit abiding in Jesus Christ
The truth is we can't do it on our own, but only by abiding in Jesus Christ
The love is proven by obedience to the commandment, a fruit, of abiding in the love of Jesus Christ

Sins are bad fruits. They don't come from abiding in Jesus.
One cannot have two masters, for one will love one and hate the other.

There a choice of who you choose to love. Love your sins? You are not saved. Repent from the love of your sins and turn your love toward Jesus (and then keep his commandments, as he said to do, because you love him).

If you do not repent of your sins, specifically of your sins, then you are saying you are neglecting to renew your mind in relation to them. We cannot renew our minds on our own; we do this by abiding in the True Vine Jesus Christ.

So if you are not renewing your mind in relation to your sins by repenting of them (changing your mind and your way of life, including your attitude and motive) then it is a fruit as well.

That in itself is a work; it is a work that is called "love of sin" and it is a service to a master who is not Jesus Christ. It doesn't matter who or what you think that master is. It isn't Jesus.

And if it isn't Jesus, then you are not abiding in him.
If you are not abiding in him you will not bear righteous fruits.

Those who do not bear fruit, the Father takes away.
Those who do not remain in Jesus are thrown away as a branch and withers. Then they are gathered and thrown in the fire and burned.

The choice is yours. Faith is fidelity. To whom will you be loyal?
The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit have given us their testimony about what it means to have faith, be faithful and bear good fruit.

TPop · Mar 14, 2024

ralliann said:
We are not graffed in to the Jew's. We are all heirs of the promises made to our Father Abraham. The heavenly eternal kingdom. We are all branches in that kingdom, Christ is the root. It is the same promise to BOTH jew and Gentile.

Agreed.
My apologies. That is not how I intended it to read. I will look at it and make it more clear and true.

Peace and Blessings.

JulieB67 · Mar 14, 2024

TPop said:
But John, above, was not talking to unbelievers. Yet you tie them back in.

I'm talking about believers. Those verses are directed towards believers who think they have fellowship with Christ.

TPop said:
Or we at times reflect the darkness. Once one is saved, there is no threat to salvation in reflecting darkness. Only a threat to fellowship.

He states if we walk in darkness, the truth is not in us. That certainly tells me that salvation is not a sure thing when someone is walking in darkness. This is directed toward believers. Because it states "if we say we have fellowship with him.."

TPop said:
Jesus died for all sins. Past, present, and future.

Yes but repentance has to come into play for future sins-

Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

TPop · Mar 14, 2024

JulieB67 said:
I guess we're not going to agree on any of this and the big difference for me is- obviously you and the OP (along with many others I realize) most likely believe in OSAS and I don't. I believe someone can completely fall away and not come back.

Were they ever one with us? I would say no. Because there is scripture that covers it.

[1Jo 2:19 KJV] 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Peace and Blessings

TPop · Mar 14, 2024

JulieB67 said:
I'm talking about believers. Those verses are directed towards believers who think they have fellowship with Christ.

He states if we walk in darkness, the truth is not in us. That certainly tells me that salvation is not a sure thing when someone is walking in darkness. This is directed toward believers. Because it states "if we say we have fellowship with him.."

Yes but repentance has to come into play for future sins-

Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

[1Jo 1:4-10 KJV] 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

I believe you are reading the wrong concept into 1 John 1-10

1 John 1 is about God character. Not course. John is assuring us about God. It is not about us. \

It is about how perfect God is. And if we have darkness in us, it is not the fault of God, we are not reflecting God. We are reflecting ourselves.
John is saying we can be fully joyful knowing He is 100% perfect and trustworthy. Just because we sin, that does not mean there is sin in Him. There is assuredly no sin in Him. If we say we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, that is on us. Not God. Those that say they have fellowship with God, are the ones lying, God's character is not tainted by this.

We are cleansed by his blood from All sin. He did that. Because of Jesus, God sees us 100% white as snow. Perfectly Righteous because of the son.
If we then say we have no sin, again, we are the liar. Not God. We do sin. But it is covered by Jesus. It is not a see saw back and forth. Sin, lost, repent, saved, sin, lost, repent, saved,...

Peace and Blessings.

TPop · Mar 14, 2024

JulieB67 said:
Yes but repentance has to come into play for future sins-

Yes. But future sins are never a threat to salvation. Only Fellowhip with God.

Corinthians were doing horrible things. But they were saved. They got sick and even died because of their sins. God called some of them home early to prevent them from doing more harm to themselves and others. But they never lost salvation. Not even the ones sleeping with their own mothers. These guys made Roman debauchery look tame. Paul still called them Brothers. Salvation was not lost. Fellowship was lost and needed to be regained.

Read what the Corinthians did. Do you do that stuff? They did. Still, they were not in threat of losing their salvation. But their fellowship was harmed and worse.

Peace and Blessings.

TPop · Mar 14, 2024

Palmfever said:
Luke 13:3
I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

2 Chron, 7:1
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

Acts 3:19
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

Prov 28:13
Whoever conceals their sins does not prosper,
but the one who confesses and renounces them finds mercy.

2 Chron 30:9
For the Lord your God is gracious and compassionate. He will not turn his face from you if you return to him.

Matt 3:8
Produce fruit in keeping with repentance.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Matt 4:17
From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”

James 4:8
Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

Rev 3:19
Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent.

Ezec 18:32
For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!

Joel 2:13
Rend your heart
and not your garments.
Return to the Lord your God,
for he is gracious and compassionate,
slow to anger and abounding in love,
and he relents from sending calamity.

Luke 15:7
I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

Acts 17:30
In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.

Mark 1:15
“The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!”

Luke 5:32
I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Acts 2:38
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

Luke 15:10
In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.

Prov 1:23
Repent at my rebuke!
Then I will pour out my thoughts to you,
I will make known to you my teachings.
2 Cor 7:10
Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

Psalm 51:17
My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit;
a broken and contrite heart
you, God, will not despise.

Matt 3:2
Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.

Lam 3:40
Let us examine our ways and test them,
and let us return to the Lord.

God also repented. But God does not sin. There is no sin in Him.

Peace of Blessings.

lismore · Mar 14, 2024

Perhaps this passage is relevant:

Ephesians 2:8-10 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

We have been saved by grace not by works, salvation is the gift of God. But once saved God has prepared works for us to do. We are not saved by works, but they're still there for us to do. As the Baptist said: Produce fruit in keeping with repentance (Luke 3:8). God Bless All

Guojing · Mar 14, 2024

ralliann said:
Then God never promised anything to Israel in Christ either.

See what Zacharias said, in Luke 1:67-75 to see an example of how, in Christ's first coming, it was to fulfill the promises to Israel.

If that is not enough, you can also read Romans 15:8

ralliann said:
The point is you are leaving out Abraham himself out.... of what God promised HIM, And SARAH

I already linked the Body of Christ as a fulfillment of the promise to Abraham in Genesis 22 that he will have descendants as numerous as the stars in heaven, so why do you still say I am "leaving Abraham" out?

Guojing · Mar 14, 2024

lismore said:
But once saved God has prepared works for us to do. We are not saved by works, but they're still there for us to do. As the Baptist said: Produce fruit in keeping with repentance (Luke 3:8). God Bless All

So if we don't do the works after we are saved, are we still saved?

That is the million dollar question.

lismore · Mar 14, 2024

Guojing said:
So if we don't do the works after we are saved, are we still saved?

That is the million dollar question.

Hello Guojing. I would say 'yes' for the reason the passage gives: For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.

Salvation is the gift of God. When you receive a gift you can be a grateful recipient, or an ungrateful one, but a gift is still a gift. Like the ten lepers Jesus healed, the ten were healed but only one returned with gratitude. God Bless You

Palmfever · Mar 14, 2024

TPop said:
God also repented. But God does not sin. There is no sin in Him.

Peace of Blessings.

He did not repent because he had sinned. He repented because He had made man. He repented that he had made Saul King. You may repent for your sins or not, that is your God given option. I have no desire to argue. We've been warned by our Creator. You will do as you will.

Ezekiel 18
"But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die."
But if the wicked man turns from all the sins he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die. 22 None of the transgressions he has committed will be held against him. Because of the righteousness he has practiced, he will live. 23 Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Lord GOD. Wouldn’t I prefer that he turn from his ways and live?

JulieB67 · Mar 14, 2024

TPop said:
I believe you are reading the wrong concept into 1 John 1-10

I don't believe so. Because right after stating there there is no darkness in God it becomes about us-

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

And then it states if we walk in the light than we have fellowship and our sins are cleansed. There's a condition there- "If we walk in the light..."

TPop said:
If we say we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, that is on us.

Of course it's on us. That's the entire point.

TPop said:
. Those that say they have fellowship with God, are the ones lying, God's character is not tainted by this.

No one is stating anything of the sort about God being tainted. John is stating that the truth is not in us if we walk in darkness. It's that simple.

TPop said:
We are cleansed by his blood from All sin.

Again, if we walk in the light. That was the condition that John stated.

TPop said:
But future sins are never a threat to salvation

I disagree. Without repentance there is a possible threat to one's salvation. There is a reason the Foolish Virgins didn't make it. There's a reason that Christ turns away some. These were past believers. Foolish Virgins were waiting for the Bridegroom. Others cast out in his name and so on. It is stated that in the latter days there will be a falling away and people will depart from the faith.

The salvation is always there for the taking but people can walk away/depart from it.

TPop said:
It is not a see saw back and forth. Sin, lost, repent, saved, sin, lost, repent, saved,...

It really depends on the person and is between that person and God. Honest repentance/change of heart and mind can take time.

In the end, we know our Father is the judge.

biblelesson · Mar 14, 2024

Cockcrow said:
This is disgusting. Nowhere in the bible does it say the phrase repent of your sins. and nowhere does it say repent of your sins to be saved. the Bible says you must Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved, Acts 16:31 that's it. not repent from all your sins, stop sinning, give up drinking, etc. ppl add in works, Jonah 3:10 says turning from evil way is works. salvation is faith alone, Jesus paid it all, these people say "repent of your sins to be saved" no you repent of your sins buddy, the sin of a false gospel being preached. being a false prophet is the worst sin there is it's this wicked works salvation garbage that people want to add works to salvation. Jonah 3:10 says turning from evil way is works. salvation is faith alone, Jesus paid it all. anyone who wants to add to the simple gospel , that is wicked.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Acts 3:19 KJV
“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;”

Acts 5:31 KJV
“Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.”

Acts 11:18 KJV
“When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”

2 Peter 3:9 KJV
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”

Acts 2:38 KJV
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”

Without going through the process of repentance and being baptized, we cannot receive the Holy Spirit, and if we do not have the Holy Spirit, we cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

John 3:5 KJV
“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”

You are failing to believe God’s word, the gospel,
Mark 1:15 KJV
“And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”

Romans 8:9 KJV
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”

We receive the down payment of the Spirit when we repent and when we are baptized; we receive the earnest of our inheritance to the kingdom.

Ephesians 1:13 KJV
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 1:14 KJV
Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

To believe does not mean to deny the gospel teachings regarding repentance and baptism. To believe means to believe all of the gospel. Whereas, the gospel is the power of God unto salvation, to all that believe,
Romans 1:16 KJV
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”

Without believing the gospel teachings, we cannot be sealed by the Spirit of Promise, which the seal represents those saints that will inherit New Jerusalem,
Revelation 3:12 KJV
“Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

bibletruths · Mar 14, 2024

Guojing said:
As I already said to you here, I hate Repent of your sins to be Saved. it is a false gospel, lie from the pit of hell,

your reasoning is illogical, you are basically reasoning from these 2 premises

If you are A, you are B
If you are C, you are B

to this conclusion

Therefore if you are A, you are also C.

But if you cannot see it, or refuse to see it, I will rest my case then.

Quit reestablishing divisions that have been destroyed. There is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ. There is not A, B, and C. There is only God's faithful gathered into one Body, the church.

Guojing · Mar 14, 2024

TPop said:
The concern is that repenting only means repenting of Sins. This is an example of where it does not point to that. And we use scripture to harmonize with other scripture.

That is not even correct

If you understand what I said to you earlier, the call for repentance, in Jesus's first coming, is for the entire nation of Israel to repent of one national sin, which is Israel the nation rejecting God.

As I explained there

Jesus used the parable of the tenants, one of my favorite parables to understand his first coming on Earth to Israel, in all 3 synoptic gospels. (Matthew 21:33-46; Mark 12:1-12; Luke 20:9-19) to illustrate what repentence really meant to Israel

When Jesus and the 12 were preaching from Matt-John, they need to repent of rejecting God their Father in the OT, and believe in his Son is their promised King and Messiah, as foretold by their prophets.

God had mercy on them even when they killed his prophets (e.g. 2 Chronicles 24:20-22; Jeremiah 26:20-30; cf. Luke 13:34; Acts 7:52)., and is now sending his very own Son to Israel, to do a final persuasion to Israel to repent and believe in him.

If they do, as Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3, Israel will be born again.

Its not repenting for individual sins.

I hate Repent of your sins to be Saved. it is a false gospel, lie from the pit of hell

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