Iran Nuclear Threat Accelerating because of Joe Biden

[johansen]

Yeah. Don't trust the MSM and don't trust Iran about ANYTHING. Ignore what they say and watch what they do. And compare our situation with them today to our situation five years ago.

50 years ago, we overthrew their government.

And are trying to do it again.

Why wouldn't they want nukes?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yeah. Don't trust the MSM and don't trust Iran about ANYTHING. Ignore what they say and watch what they do. And compare our situation with them today to our situation five years ago.

BTW, I've applied that thinking to all politicians since close to the turn of the century. I ignore what they say and focus on what they do. I was lied to far too much between the 60's and the turn of the century. It's why I was not a fan of Trump before he was elected but learned to love him once he actually started doing things. And the same can be said of Biden, which is why I consider him one of the worst, if not the worst, presidents in the history of our nation.

It's not clear how you monitor Iran without reporters. Do you read Iranian telegram channels, or something?

 

[Reasonably Sane]

50 years ago, we overthrew their government.

And are trying to do it again.

Why wouldn't they want nukes?

You actually touch on what I think is a core problem. Ever since WWII we meddle hopelessly in the affairs of other countries. No wonder so much of the world sees us as the bad guys. We have more in common with ancient Rome than many people really want to see. I really liked that Trump was bringing a lot of it to an end.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

It's not clear how you monitor Iran without reporters. Do you read Iranian telegram channels, or something?

I watch what they do. I also have an acquaintance that lives there. Like all news stories, their recollection of events that they experienced and actually showed up on our MSM does not match the story. I had a similar thing happen to me about 30 years ago regarding local news in Seattle about something that happened at our neighbor's house. Sometimes it's best to interpret news stories through the lens of one's own understanding of mankind and how we act and think. I like this phrase: Being a man, I know the heart of man. It prevents me from believing baloney, or at least "obvious" baloney.

 

[Valletta]

Does it tell you anything about Iran and nuclear weapons?

From my last info Iran is 36 days away from a nuclear bomb.

 

[Valletta]

One of my strengths on this and many other issues is based on a simple choice I made back in spring of 1997: I ceased all broadcast television into my home. It's not that I'm so smart nowadays. Rather, it is simply that I'm not exposed to all the propaganda. I pull my news rather than let it be pushed on me. It changes everything. The only risk is that one is not diligent about pulling from diverse sources. One can fall into the trap of just exposing oneself to sources they agree with. Then you can end up "self propagandizing". This is why I expose myself to Al Jazeera, MSNBC, CNN the big three, etc. I compare their coverage to my favorite sources and let the chips fall where they may.

However, the more I do that, the less I respect the "major" sources - even the NYT and WaPo. I have to say that Sky News is a lot of fun, though.

Results:
1. I read some articles and saw some interviews and decided I didn't need to mask up for Covid and I was never vaxxed. I travelled by car all over the country and never got Covid. And I just turned 70.
2. It was clear to me that it was lame to bring chargers against Zimmerman and, later, Rittenhouse.
3. It was clear that Blazey Ford was lying.
4. I don't take any of the AGW stuff seriously any more (global warming). I've seen it as a power grab since 2006, and events have only confirmed the validity of that perspective.
5. I saw Juicy Smallyay as a hoax within a day of first hearing the story. It made zero sense on several levels.
6. George Floyd was not murdered. He died of a drug overdose (three times the fatal level of Fentanyl in his system).
7. Although sometimes Trump lost in lower courts, I didn't care because he usually won in higher courts. On a side note, I think that regarding suing Trump, he's like Br'er Rabbit: "Please don't throw me into the briar patch!" It's his element.

I lost trust in the MSM before a lot of people here were born. I see it as mostly good for comic relief. I've also had revelations over the last few years when visiting friends and being exposed to the MSM at their homes. The content is laughable, but relentless. No wonder people were wearing two masks while riding their bike.

But to directly address the subject at hand, your post nailed it. Well done. I liked Trump because he was getting us out of worldwide empire building. And when Biden got in, it was business as usual. I'm sure the military industrial complex loves him. People forget that both Ike and JFK warned us about that.

The press is something. It's funny, I was on the go and I did an interview with the press at someone else's house some months back. One very liberal person was there and got to hear what I said and compared it to the report on the news--they accurately said it was nothing like what I said. That is so typical. I still cooperate but this has been going on for a long long time, they have a narrative and stick to it.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

The press is something. It's funny, I was on the go and I did an interview with the press at someone else's house some months back. One very liberal person was there and got to hear what I said and compared it to the report on the news--they accurately said it was nothing like what I said. That is so typical. I still cooperate but this has been going on for a long long time, they have a narrative and stick to it.

The first time I saw it: Cronkite presented the Tet Offensive as a terrible blow to the US and proof we were losing bad. But the real story was that the VC threw out everything they had and they gained nothing. We held them off. It should have been the end with the US winning, but thanks to Cronkite an his ilk, the war was lost at the home front. Pathetic.

Around 2004-2007 I did a lot of travelling in my job. It meant that via my hotel room TV's I was exposed to a lot of "local news" in various cities around the US. What made it comical was that they talked as if their audience is in 6th grade. It was insulting. I sometimes see it when visiting our family in Chicago and nothing's changed. The local news is utterly pointless. I'm amazed they watch it.

But the bottom line is that I trust nothing the MSM says about Iran.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I watch what they do. I also have an acquaintance that lives there.

One aquaintance? Seems kind of thin.

From my last info Iran is 36 days away from a nuclear bomb.

Based on what analysis?

 

[RDKirk]

Why does Iran want nuclear weapons?

To hasten the return of the Mahdi. We know the Mahdi as the Anti-Christ. Anyway, chaos is required to hasten the return of the Mahdi. That means millions of deaths. Those will be Christian deaths.

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Maybe Iran wants nuclear weapons because the US has been attacking them regularly since 1980, and even shot down an Iranian civilian jumbo jet. They see that the US doesn't attack North Korea...and they see the reason why.

 

[RDKirk]

One of my strengths on this and many other issues is based on a simple choice I made back in spring of 1997: I ceased all broadcast television into my home. It's not that I'm so smart nowadays. Rather, it is simply that I'm not exposed to all the propaganda. I pull my news rather than let it be pushed on me. It changes everything. The only risk is that one is not diligent about pulling from diverse sources. One can fall into the trap of just exposing oneself to sources they agree with. Then you can end up "self propagandizing". This is why I expose myself to Al Jazeera, MSNBC, CNN the big three, etc. I compare their coverage to my favorite sources and let the chips fall where they may.

However, the more I do that, the less I respect the "major" sources - even the NYT and WaPo. I have to say that Sky News is a lot of fun, though.

Results:
1. I read some articles and saw some interviews and decided I didn't need to mask up for Covid and I was never vaxxed. I travelled by car all over the country and never got Covid. And I just turned 70.
2. It was clear to me that it was lame to bring chargers against Zimmerman and, later, Rittenhouse.
3. It was clear that Blazey Ford was lying.
4. I don't take any of the AGW stuff seriously any more (global warming). I've seen it as a power grab since 2006, and events have only confirmed the validity of that perspective.
5. I saw Juicy Smallyay as a hoax within a day of first hearing the story. It made zero sense on several levels.
6. George Floyd was not murdered. He died of a drug overdose (three times the fatal level of Fentanyl in his system).
7. Although sometimes Trump lost in lower courts, I didn't care because he usually won in higher courts. On a side note, I think that regarding suing Trump, he's like Br'er Rabbit: "Please don't throw me into the briar patch!" It's his element.

I lost trust in the MSM before a lot of people here were born. I see it as mostly good for comic relief. I've also had revelations over the last few years when visiting friends and being exposed to the MSM at their homes. The content is laughable, but relentless. No wonder people were wearing two masks while riding their bike.

But to directly address the subject at hand, your post nailed it. Well done. I liked Trump because he was getting us out of worldwide empire building. And when Biden got in, it was business as usual. I'm sure the military industrial complex loves him. People forget that both Ike and JFK warned us about that.

If you're getting your news online, it's still being "pushed" to you. How are you fooling the algorithm?

 

[RDKirk]

The first time I saw it: Cronkite presented the Tet Offensive as a terrible blow to the US and proof we were losing bad. But the real story was that the VC threw out everything they had and they gained nothing. We held them off. It should have been the end with the US winning, but thanks to Cronkite an his ilk, the war was lost at the home front. Pathetic.

The information was significantly mismanaged by the US Army at the time. The Army had been feeding the press and the American people the line of "we're winning the war, no sweat" when the truth the war was "two steps forward, two steps back, step left, step right."

When the Tet Offensive suddenly struck deep into territory that was supposedly locked down--when reporters who thought they were perfectly safe in Saigon were suddenly running hiding for their own lives from Viet Cong soldiers within "we smell your cologne, we know you're here" distance from them...yeah, when they got a chance to report that experience, it wasn't a good look for the US. Yes, the US held them off...but according to the Army, they should not have been able to get anywhere near there.

The fact that it was actually a net military loss to the North Vietnamese was something that was known only sometime later. But it was a morale victory, for sure.

 

[RDKirk]

From my last info Iran is 36 days away from a nuclear bomb.

How many days ago was that report written? I'll mark my calendar.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Maybe Iran wants nuclear weapons because the US has been attacking them regularly since 1980, and even shot down an Iranian civilian jumbo jet. They see that the US doesn't attack North Korea...and they see the reason why.

As does Iran's primary perceived enemy -- Israel. (Other regional powers near Iran that have nukes include Pakistan, India, China, and Russia.

 

[Gene2memE]

If only there was, I dunno, some kind of structured international agreement that incentivised Iran away acquiring nuclear weapons while providing for independent access and assessment of its nuclear programme...

Maybe the US would like to sign up to that?

 

[johansen]

If only there was, I dunno, some kind of structured international agreement that incentivised Iran away acquiring nuclear weapons while providing for independent access and assessment of its nuclear programme...

Maybe the US would like to sign up to that?

only if israel gives up its nukes too.

we tried to pretend they don't have any for years.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

only if israel gives up its nukes too.

we tried to pretend they don't have any for years.

Why not include the Space Laser with the nukes?

 

[mindlight]

With Iranian leaders believing that the Biden Administration could end in early 2025, there likely will be more significant advances in Iran’s nuclear program this year to take advantage of the current administration’s weak foreign policy and to pursue a possible last chance to revive the JCPOA on terms favorable to Iran.

Iran’s Nuclear Weapons Program is Accelerating Because of Joe Biden › American Greatness

According to a new International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) report, Iran increased the rate of its production of near weapons-grade uranium (60% uranium-235) in late November 2023.

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It has been estimated that Iran received an additional 250 billion dollars because of the policies of the Biden administration. So now the nuclear bomb in the hands of Iran is imminent, and may very well occur on Joe's watch. I believe Israel will be forced to take action.

Iran is backing Hamas, Houthis and Hezbollah. America (regardless of party) is a staunch supporter of Israel in their ongoing fight against terrorism and for general survival. The major change from Trump to Biden was the shift to a more skeptical approach to Saudia Arabia.

I am trying to unpick your post:

1) Biden's ending of sanctions did enrich Iran. With the existing leadership maybe it was obvious that these extra resources would be misused.

2) Biden has been a strong advocate for Israel despite protests from within his party. But those same protests are occurring in Israel because of the humanitarian costs of the peace operation in Gaza and his policy there more accurately reflects the desire of the actual citizens of Israel.

3) Trump is more likely to be hostile toward Iran and in a more proactive way in cooperation with Israel and Saudia Arabia. Iran knows this but no one knows if Trump will win in 2024.

 

[mindlight]

It's not only Biden it's Republicans since Bush. Trump was right about Ukraine back in 2014.

"A popular revolution in 2014 ousted the pro-Russia regime in Kyiv, which was led by President Viktor Yanukovych, and replaced it with a Western-leaning government. Russian troops soon invaded the Ukrainian territory of Crimea, initiating the armed conflict that escalated this year.
Within weeks, Trump praised Putin for how he handled the takeover of Crimea and predicted that “the rest of Ukraine will fall … fairly quickly.”

And yet people's trusted news sources are still manipulating people's ignorance.

"The Russian invasion of Ukraine didn’t just happen out of nowhere.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has ratcheted up tensions with the West for the better part of the last decade – he annexed Crimea, meddled in US elections,"

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/26/politics/trump-putin-ukraine/index.html

Because we meddled in Ukraine's government affairs we are paying the price today.

The United States Is Reaping What It Sowed in Ukraine

The U.S. government continues sending weapons to Ukraine, escalating the likelihood of war with Russia.

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Ukrainian politics in 2014 were deeply corrupt and Yanukovych was a pawn of Putin which is why the people of Ukraine did Maidan. You overestimate America's contribution to this. Yanukovych was arrested for high treason by Ukrainians.

Without the removal, the country was on its way to being a client state somewhat like Belorussia. The Crimea fits more naturally with Russia as does the Donbas but the rest of the country has another identity now and cannot be part of an expanded Russia without trampling on the aspirations of a free people.

Whether or not America continues to support Ukraine is part of a bigger decision on how important Europe is to it. The fact is Europe and the USA together will always have a greater weight than China while America alone may not. The advantages that America gets from its global hegemony appear to be lost on a great many Americans but the price of money (how much you have to pay when you borrow) is a big part of that. Isolationism may well equal American bankruptcy and a global recession that would make the 1930s look like a garden party.

 

[mindlight]

Well, in the Strategic Air Command, November 1973 and particularly November 1983 were two terrifying months.

November 1983, we had several of the scariest days of my life. I was a member of the Strategic Air Combat Operations Staff at Strategic Air Command headquarters, Offutt AFB, NE. We were in the middle of an annual nuclear war exercise called ABLE ARCHER 83. This was at the end of the first week of a two-week command post exercise that would culminate in an all-out nuclear exchange with the Soviet Union.

We had just finished the first part of the exercise, up to the point that the NCA (National Command Authority, someone was playing the president) had given the "execution order" to launch the Major Attack Option. Down in the SAC Underground Command Post, our part in the exercise ended 30 minutes after the execution order. We estimated there were a couple of dozen Soviet nuclear warheads targeted toward the spot I was sitting, so we were presumed dead at that time. So, thirty minutes after the exercise execution order, we could clean up our areas, climb the ramps out of the 3-story underground bunker, and go home (Everyone but the generals. They got onto a plane and took off to safety, leaving us worker bees there).

That's how it had always been in years before.

But that year it was a special exercise. That year, someone in the Pentagon had had the brilliant idea of combining all the services' annual nuclear war exercises into one big exercise. And, heck, let's get the NCA involved as well. Let's even get NATO in on it. Let's exercise the entire thing, everybody involved for the first time ever.

A lot of people may not remember how scary 1983 had already been. Just two months before, the Soviets had shot down Korean Air Lines flight 007, killing an American Congressman. A few weeks after that, the Soviet missile warning system had suffered a malfunction that appeared to them to be an American missile launch. One particular Soviet officer (correctly) guessed in time that a genuine American attack would consist of more than one missile and called off the Soviet retaliation.

And there had been many things the entire year, with the US poking the Bear quite relentlessly. Frankly, we did not realize how close to the edge the Soviets were. President Reagan would later write:

"Three years had taught me something surprising about the Russians: Many people at the top of the Soviet hierarchy were genuinely afraid of America and Americans. Perhaps this shouldn't have surprised me, but it did."

Here is why: When Yuri Andropov was installed as president of the Soviet Union, he got a briefing he'd never gotten before: The USSR had lost the Cold War, and the US would be able to launch a nuclear attack and prevail against the USSR with (by Soviet standards) "acceptable losses." And Yuri Andropov fully believed President Reagan would launch that attack. This is something we didn't fully learn and understand until we got some of the USSR's documents in the 90s after it fell. When we did discover that...we got cold chills after the fact, and a lot of Andropov's actions and rhetoric, which we had thought overblown at the time, made sense.

So, on that day in 1983, we'd gotten the execution order just before noon. I cleaned up my desk in the bunker and went up to my regular desk that was in the "first floor" of the Building 500 basement. I planned to check the morning message traffic and go home.

But I got a telephone call: "Report back to the Underground Command post immediately!" I hightailed it back down and was told, "The Soviets have reacted to the exercise."

I'm not going into all that we'd detected them doing, but it was serious. Very serious. Essentially, the entire first week we'd played of the "exercise" building to an all-out nuclear exchange suddenly started playing out for real over the next few days.

Wikipedia gives a pretty good outline of some of what was going on, and there are a couple of videos about ABLE ARCHER 83 on YouTube that are decent. I'd recommend you check them out.

But none of them conveys the genuine terror we were feeling down in that bunker. We knew diplomats were working to calm down the Soviets, but we had to operate on the premise that the war was going to happen.

It was all still happening at the command post level--the president didn't raise the operational DEFCON because that would make things worse--but in the command post, we were truly preparing for nuclear war as furiously as we could. I didn't leave Building 500 for four days. SR-71 missions were flying like crazy out of Mildenhall and Kadena.

One colonel did crack a joke: "Dammit, we just bought a house!"

But during every briefing, the generals' faces were grim and as gray as concrete. I don't think I've ever seen consternation like that in men before.

A lot of people were responsible for us avoiding nuclear war doing the Cold War era. Even my own prayer during those particular days may have helped: "Jesus! Please stop us!"

We had another period not quite as scary during exactly the same weeks during the 1973 Arab-Israeli War. At one point it appeared the Egyptians were about to overrun Israel. The US Med fleet was heading to attack Egypt and the Soviet Black Sea fleet was heading to intercept the American fleet. In that case, President Nixon did, indeed, raise the national DEFCON level.

I was still a cub in Intelligence school at the time, so I didn't really understand the implications, but I noticed that my elders were visibly shaken and nervous. It was ten years later (while on the SAC Air Combat Staff) reading the historical records that I realized we'd been quite close to war with the Soviets in 73.

It's rather interesting: The last couple of weeks of October nearly brought us to war in 63, 73, and again in 83.

What I get from this interesting and rather scary account is that sober minds prevailed in all these key moments. Is Trump level-headed enough to take a step back at the crucial moment and calm things down is the key issue here? He is cut from a different cloth than previous presidents who have kept the peace.

 

[Laodicean60]

The advantages that America gets from its global hegemony appear to be lost on a great many Americans but the price of money (how much you have to pay when you borrow) is a big part of that. Isolationism may well equal American bankruptcy and a global recession that would make the 1930s look like a garden party.

All of this is our own doing. The world reserve currency should be neutral if you want the world to use it without fear but we use it to control other countries. Sanctions haven't been effective because the same sanctioned countries are doing the same bad stuff. I'm sure you know how the sanctions with Russia have affected your country and the rest of Europe. The sad thing is that the sanction hasn't hurt Russia that much economically but it's hurt the world more because of the resources Russia provides.
I don't think isolationism will bring back the 1930s or it might make a small contribution but the out-of-control spending by the government in what seems to be endless wars., We had American companies in Russia and what?

Ukrainian politics in 2014 were deeply corrupt and Yanukovych was a pawn of Putin which is why the people of Ukraine did Maidan. You overestimate America's contribution to this. Yanukovych was arrested for high treason by Ukrainians.

So, we have placed our pawns in government. As a result of our meddling, Putin took Crimea because he saw the writing on the wall. Have you noticed the Brics counties? They don't share our values and are separating from the American bully. Our Western governments have become arrogant and want to force everyone to be like us but we forget there are different cultures abroad.
If you think about it it's really like a Christian trying to force an Athiest to become Christian, what kind of hate will that generate? When we can be friends and accept them in culture and beliefs. Peace